hows my bulk going guys

[tmd17]

This is what happens when Natural lifters take advice or listen to advice from "Natural" Juicers.

Naturals don't need substantial calories to gain mass, we grow on minimal calories, and a big bump in calories just make us fat, there are some that can eat a lot and stay lean, but it's rare, and the juicers who claim to be natural eating 5k - 6k calories claim to be the rare ones, when in reality, most of the rare ones in the world don't even lift, they are normally the guys who are super skinny, eating bad diets, and have no intention of ever lifting, and normally die at 50 - 60 years of age due to bad diet.

Bulks like this are a road to failure because you are putting more concentration on the food you are eating than your routine and your isolation. Stressing muscle fibers, resting, stressing, resting etc - This is what builds your size and strength up, food is not that important to naturals unless you are staving yourself, protein by proper Associations is even recommend at 0.4lb - 0.6lb per lb of body weight (and 0.8lb - 1lb for very active athletes, MOST of us on here are NOT athletes, lifting 1 - 2 hours 3x a week doesn't mean you're an athlete).

Just eat a normal diet, and learn how to isolate and stress your muscles, the people I see who never get big are the ones who do not know how to mentally connect to their muscles, which means your body cannot connect to it and thus you never grow, it's the basics of muscle growth.

Urine idiot.

Easy advice OP:

1. Get on a beginners routine. Your workout is terrible, even if your diet is spot on you will not gain any muscle. (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=147447933)

2. You're not consuming enough calories. Recalculate your numbers. You should be putting on 2lbs easily in a couple weeks if your diet and training is in check.
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=121703981)

[tmd17]

Up the protein, decrease the carbs. Lift heavy, intensely, and recover.

Decrease carbs while bulking? No thanks jeff

[cena0wns]

Decrease carbs while bulking? No thanks jeff

Strong this

[.aeterna]

Strong this

Stats: 5'6", 123 lbs

Don't take this the wrong way but do you really have any business giving anyone else advice about bulking or training in general?

[elias1877]

Stats: 5'6", 123 lbs

Don't take this the wrong way but do you really have any business giving anyone else advice about bulking or training in general?

stats may not always reflect knowledge. maybe cena0wns is training for soemthing where they dont need to be massive?

[cena0wns]

Stats: 5'6", 123 lbs

Don't take this the wrong way but do you really have any business giving anyone else advice about bulking or training in general?

I like to share information that I learn from people who do have business to give people advice about bulking or training in general instead of not sharing information at all.

[retiredrunner]

This is what happens when Natural lifters take advice or listen to advice from "Natural" Juicers.

Naturals don't need substantial calories to gain mass, we grow on minimal calories, and a big bump in calories just make us fat, there are some that can eat a lot and stay lean, but it's rare, and the juicers who claim to be natural eating 5k - 6k calories claim to be the rare ones, when in reality, most of the rare ones in the world don't even lift, they are normally the guys who are super skinny, eating bad diets, and have no intention of ever lifting, and normally die at 50 - 60 years of age due to bad diet.

Bulks like this are a road to failure because you are putting more concentration on the food you are eating than your routine and your isolation. Stressing muscle fibers, resting, stressing, resting etc - This is what builds your size and strength up, food is not that important to naturals unless you are staving yourself, protein by proper Associations is even recommend at 0.4lb - 0.6lb per lb of body weight (and 0.8lb - 1lb for very active athletes, MOST of us on here are NOT athletes, lifting 1 - 2 hours 3x a week doesn't mean you're an athlete).

Just eat a normal diet, and learn how to isolate and stress your muscles, the people I see who never get big are the ones who do not know how to mentally connect to their muscles, which means your body cannot connect to it and thus you never grow, it's the basics of muscle growth.

[FitForSurvival]

You on dat dreamer bulk OP.

[xnitemare]

I figured i would have gained more at the amount im eating. might have to start going eating 4k cals/day to gain

You should cut, no hate just being honest you look like you just got fat, not more muscular.

[Samm]

Says the 33yr old that doesn't even have 1 picture of himself up.

Alright

[tmd17]

Says the 33yr old that doesn't even have 1 picture of himself up.

Alright

I mean, what he said is true...

[Ace28]

8 weeks really isn't a whole lot of time to make changes especially if your not "on". I would say though maybe you should reevaluate your routine if your eating as much as you say you are. Have your lifts increased at all?

[DATlift]

Layne's PHAT helped me bulk hard. If you're eating like that you should be lifting heavy on compounds with accessories for isolation etc.

[WeightLifter55]

it just looks like u lost 2 lbs of muscle and gained 2 lbs of fat tbh...

[jantelo]

8 weeks really isn't a whole lot of time to make changes especially if your not "on". I would say though maybe you should reevaluate your routine if your eating as much as you say you are. Have your lifts increased at all?

Yes they have increased like crazy

[tazui1982]

Yea I've been tracking, myfitnesspal username is taquito16. What should I change? I aim for 400g of carbs, 100g of fat and 200g protein, ~3200 calories. think im gonna bump it higher to 4k

4k is too much unless you are doing russian squat programs or chinese olympic weighlifting program. I used to eat at 4k while running starting strength, strength went up but my belly also went up by 4 inches. My advise bulk with 500 cal above maintenance only. Aim for 200g protein 220g carb and 60g of fat if u are male 180lbs. The second pic indicates that you put on 80% fat and 19% shiit only 1 per cent muscle.

[The_Standard]

lol u wot m8? Do not listen to this, macros should never be broken into percentages. 200g protein is more then enough too.

Your posts are retarded. Somebody neg this guy for me.

this.

everything he writes is mental.

Not sure why all the hate, but there is actual science to what I've suggested. However, so as to not appear to be one that is simply talking out of my rear, I've provided three peer-reviewed articles with cited references to support my comments. Although there are slight variations from what I've suggested, the idea of using ratios to determine macronutrients appears in all three.

It's fine to disagree; everyone has reached or is reaching for their goals in different ways. Disagreements don't always have to be personal.


http://www.about-muscle.com/articles...cle-growth.php

http://www.anasci.org/vB/bodybuildin...ybuilding.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...3-9-S1-P19.pdf

[Samm]

I mean, what he said is true...

Stating that the basic muscle growth pattern is wrong proves that you're either trolling or a secret roider.

Please state what is wrong with it, with scientific backing, and I might listen to one of you.

[kpxl1023]

lmao you dun goofed OP you just got fat strong dreamer bulk ITT

[adolfhitler69]

Says the 33yr old that doesn't even have 1 picture of himself up.

Alright

no what you said is just retarded and 100% wrong. I started at 105lbs 5%, 3.5k cals for a year, 140lbs 9%, ate 3k cals for a year, weight didn't move one bit (and i'm strong for my bodyweight, 225lb bench 20+ pullups/dips), started eating 3.5-4k cals last 4 months, up 5kg already.

[Brahlinski]

Stop going on carbs.

Your a fat ****.

Walk in a singlet anywhere and chicks will laugh and just think your a fat ****.

If your on a bulk your meant to still look like you lift.

[iamxclusive]

here op

[misterdeejay]

lol im the same weight and height as you but i look so much leaner and muscular, and i maintain on 2.8k cals.

im just gonna say you have a sh/tty training protocol, you must train low frequency or low volume.

if you are infact hitting those macros every day, you should be seeing gains.

go on a program which hits bodyparts more frequently, like push/pull/legs or upper/lower splits

[TheOTheory]

Sunday - Chest
Dumbell bench - 4 sets. 2 warm up sets/2 heavy sets
Incline barbell bench 3x 8-10

Monday - Back
Rows 2 warm up sets/2 heavy sets
Pull ups till failure 3x
Dumbell rows 3x10

Wednesday - Legs
Squats, start light and keep increasing weight till i can only do 3 sets

Thursday - Shoulders
2 warm up sets/2 heavy sets
side raises
rear raises
shrugs


I normally feel like I worked out the muscle group well at the end of each workout

Thats your workout??

Are u taking the piss???

And the audacity these mutherfukkers have to claim anyone who looks better than them is teching

[Samm]

no what you said is just retarded and 100% wrong. I started at 105lbs 5%, 3.5k cals for a year, 140lbs 9%, ate 3k cals for a year, weight didn't move one bit (and i'm strong for my bodyweight, 225lb bench 20+ pullups/dips), started eating 3.5-4k cals last 4 months, up 5kg already.

OF COURSE YOU'RE HEAVIER YOU PUT ON FAT.

How bloody hard is that to understand?

Just because you gain weight doesn't mean you've gained muscle, strength doesn't mean you've gained muscle either, look into the science of strength gain.

Now unless you can prove in pictures 5kg of muscle gain, then go ahead.

You think you've put on 5kg of muscle in 4 months, I am lolling at you all the way to the bodyfat scales.

And again, PROVE me wrong with science on NATURAL lifting, before posting like a crying 15 year old.

[fezz349]

Strong dreamer bulk

[MaximosJ]

OP, as some others have said, your routine sucks. Do JasonDB's 5x5.

lmao strong amount of carbs... i don't even eat that many on my high carb days.

Nothing wrong with 400g carbs on a bulk.

This is what happens when Natural lifters take advice or listen to advice from "Natural" Juicers.

Naturals don't need substantial calories to gain mass, we grow on minimal calories, and a big bump in calories just make us fat, there are some that can eat a lot and stay lean, but it's rare, and the juicers who claim to be natural eating 5k - 6k calories claim to be the rare ones, when in reality, most of the rare ones in the world don't even lift, they are normally the guys who are super skinny, eating bad diets, and have no intention of ever lifting, and normally die at 50 - 60 years of age due to bad diet.

Bulks like this are a road to failure because you are putting more concentration on the food you are eating than your routine and your isolation. Stressing muscle fibers, resting, stressing, resting etc - This is what builds your size and strength up, food is not that important to naturals unless you are staving yourself, protein by proper Associations is even recommend at 0.4lb - 0.6lb per lb of body weight (and 0.8lb - 1lb for very active athletes, MOST of us on here are NOT athletes, lifting 1 - 2 hours 3x a week doesn't mean you're an athlete).

Just eat a normal diet, and learn how to isolate and stress your muscles, the people I see who never get big are the ones who do not know how to mentally connect to their muscles, which means your body cannot connect to it and thus you never grow, it's the basics of muscle growth.

^Ignore the bolded parts of this. You do need to bulk to put on muscle mass (aside from early noob gains), food is important, you will generally not grow if you are in a caloric deficit (i.e., eating "minimal calories," just so long as you are not "starving yourself"), and your muscles will grow if you are lifting heavy, applying progressive overload (adding weight and/or reps), and eating right, whether you "mentally connect" (whatever the fuk that means exactly) with your muscles or not. Trust me, I just mentally connected with my muscles and they told me it's cool.

What is correct about the above post is that you should not do a recklessly massive bulk unless you want to put on a ton of fat. But a reasonable, controlled bulk is fine, and in fact beneficial for muscle gains.

here op

^ Also don't listen to this.

[adolfhitler69]

OF COURSE YOU'RE HEAVIER YOU PUT ON FAT.

How bloody hard is that to understand?

Just because you gain weight doesn't mean you've gained muscle, strength doesn't mean you've gained muscle either, look into the science of strength gain.

Now unless you can prove in pictures 5kg of muscle gain, then go ahead.

You think you've put on 5kg of muscle in 4 months, I am lolling at you all the way to the bodyfat scales.

And again, PROVE me wrong with science on NATURAL lifting, before posting like a crying 15 year old.

you're an idiot, i literally only have 6kg of fat on my entire body, and yet you think i have gained 5kg of fat in the past 4 months? I have gained a combination of both

edit: also you do realize that literally anybody at all, in the entire world of lifting, acknowledges that you MUST be in a caloric surplus to gain LBM, unless you are either a) a noob or b) fat

[killakms]

Great progress op, mirin strong gains. Definitely not natty.

[elias1877]

Stop going on carbs.

Your a fat ****.

Walk in a singlet anywhere and chicks will laugh and just think your a fat ****.

If your on a bulk your meant to still look like you lift.

OF COURSE YOU'RE HEAVIER YOU PUT ON FAT.

How bloody hard is that to understand?

Just because you gain weight doesn't mean you've gained muscle, strength doesn't mean you've gained muscle either, look into the science of strength gain.

Now unless you can prove in pictures 5kg of muscle gain, then go ahead.

You think you've put on 5kg of muscle in 4 months, I am lolling at you all the way to the bodyfat scales.

And again, PROVE me wrong with science on NATURAL lifting, before posting like a crying 15 year old.

do either of you 2 even basic nutrition?