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    Stack Suggestions Please

    My current sups I use are:

    Mega Men Multi
    Flax Caps
    Flax Seed
    Whey Protien
    Kre-Alkalyne
    Glutamine

    I take whey protien, glutamine and oats 1H before workout and Kre-Alkalyne 30mins before.

    Post shake includes Glutamine, whey and oats.

    My goal is to build mass and strength. Im not looking to "cut" or "bulk", just to build muscle and gain strength.

    I plan to purchase fish oil caps when I run out of my flax caps.

    Any suggestions to tweak my stack for max gains that are easy on the pocket would be GREATLY appreciated.

    Thnx,

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    I'd drop the glutamine and go with some bulk BCAA's. And depending on how the Kre Alk has been working for you, try another creatine product like Green Bulge, Omega Thunder, or another type of cell volumizing mix.
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    Originally Posted by JRRBadBoy4Life
    I'd drop the glutamine and go with some bulk BCAA's. And depending on how the Kre Alk has been working for you, try another creatine product like Green Bulge, Omega Thunder, or another type of cell volumizing mix.
    Im gonna drop the glutamine when I am finished the bottle (bought 1kg). Bulk BCAA's are in powder form? Is it not true that if you have a good diet and whey protien you dont need to sup with BCAA's?

    Im starting the kre-alk tommorow.... or tonight when I wake up and hit the gym. We'll see how she goes.
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    Nutrition / Diet / Macros:

    - Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you

    - It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time

    - BMR and nutrition calculator

    - Total Daily Protein Intake (for best results I recommend AROUND 2g per lb of bodyweight)

    - Foods (Good vs. Bad)

    - Unified Theory of Nutrition - by Will Brink






    Bulking:

    When bulking (a calorie surplus to gain lean muscle mass at a optimal rate), I aim for:

    - 1lb lean beef per day
    - 1 Gallon Skim Milk per day
    - Around 2000 cals per day from oats
    - Lots of protein shakes (up to 8 per day)
    - Chicken
    - Turkey
    - Beef / Sloppy Joes (manwich)
    - Hamburger Helper
    - Pasta
    - Tuna
    - Potatoes
    - Rice
    - Veggies (Fresh if possible)

    (Note: If you can afford it you can do things like steaks etc.. etc..)

    - If there was ONE SINGLE KEY to the gains I made in the 1 1/2 years when I went from 175-225 (my best.. leanest gains), it is OATS / STEEL CUT OATS ! The emphasis here is that oats are a INEXPENSIVE, HEALTHY, yet VERY CALORIE DENSE FOOD. I saw lean gains like I had never seen before. But NO THEY DON'T TASTE GOOD. YOU HAVE TO FORCE FEED THEM. This gets old fast. I added about 1 cup of oats to each protein shake.

    - Hungry Hungry Hormones

    - Massive Eating

    - Stretch Mark Mass


    What are some good indications that I'm gaining muscle... ?
    Mirror / Appearance
    Measurements
    Strength
    Bodyweight




    Cutting:

    When cutting (a calorie deficit to lose fat at a optimal rate):

    - I eat many of the same foods above, but with a lower TOTAL DAILY CALORIE INTAKE

    - I put a emphasis on PRE- and POST-workout nutrition, and the end result is that most of my calories are eaten before my afternoon workout. I have found this to be ideal (for me).

    Fullness Factor Chart 1
    Fullness Factor Chart 2

    What it my basal metabolic rate ?
    Your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the energy used (measured in calories) by your body to perform basic functions, including internal energy expenditure, breathing, and body temperature. It is the number of calories your body would expend if you performed no physical activity throughout the day.

    Simply put... your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the rate at which your body burns calories while you rest. This is very important because we only have so much time for cardio each day.

    BMR Calculator:
    http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
    Where can I learn more about the "Fatloss Basics ?"
    What are some good indications that I'm losing fat... ?
    Mirror / Appearance
    Measurements
    Bodyfat caliper
    Bodyweight




    Supplements:

    - Supplements / Companies to avoid

    - SAVE $$$$$ ! ! STICK WITH THE BASICS ! ! )- Stay on creatine, there is no need to cycle it ! (cycling and loading are totally optional)

    - Creatine timing (when / how to take it):- For best results, aim for AROUND 2g of total daily protein intake per lb of bodyweight EVERY SINGLE DAY ! !

    Example:
    Bodyweight: 200lbs
    Total daily protein intake: 400g
    Here is why:




    Workout / Routine:

    - I recommend a MAX-OT, 5x5, HST (or similar) routine with a EMPHASIS ON:
    - Squatting / Leg pressing
    - Deadlifts
    - Barbell benchpress
    (Including flat / decline / incline)
    - Both BB's and DB's for best results

    - Concentrate more on measurements and less on bodyweight

    - Weigh yourself once a week. Should gain (or lose) around 1lb per week (depending on goals).

    - Concentrate on form first, in order to stay injury free

    - Emphasize both range of motion, and mind-muscle connection

    - With intensity, strength gains, and a proper bodybuilding diet, the size gains (or fatloss) will come

    - Make sure and have a spotter when working out your major muscle groups, preferrably someone bigger than you

    - Don't be scared of overtraining. Simply listen (pay attention) to your body, and ask more questions later if you think you are overtraining.





    Cardio:

    - If possible, do cardio at least 8 hours from when you lift weights

    - If possible, do cardio in the AM after sleeping.

    - No need to do cardio on a empty stomach, but many prefer to due to nausea

    - Jumping rope is a very efficient form of cardio

    - Sprinting is a very efficient form of cardio

    - HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is a efficient form of cardio






    Recovery (A.K.A GROWTH !):

    - With proper intensity MUST COME PROPER RECOVERY !

    - Make sure and get enough protein right before you go to sleep.

    - Make sure and get enough protein/carbs right when you wake up

    - Make sure and get enough deep, quality sleep (Not getting enough quality sleep is the #1 newbie mistake. You should aim for at least 8 QUALITY hours of sleep per night): - Make sure and get enough protein / calories on off days (This is when your body will be recovering) It is important to be consistent !

    - Make sure and get proper pre and post-workout nutrition:
    Carbs pre and post workout.
    Protein pre and post workout.
    Creatine pre and post workout:
    Pre, During, & Postworkout Nutrition (Click here)





    Cell volumization:

    Make sure and drink enough water both throughout the day and during your workout (this is CRITICAL ! !) I drink about 1 liter per hour, and at least 3 liters during my workout. (Keep in mind I am currently over 240lbs so you may not need this much).




    Other Resources:

    MCWTRAINER's SUPPLEMENT THREADS
    ESSENTIAL Supplements - By Ironpimper
    Mind and Muscle - Strengthen your connection
    The BB.COM Bible - By BIGNBUFF
    Rules, Information, and "Best Of" Threads Index







    Good luck !
    If you have read this post and ALL the links provided and you still have a question or concern.. please E-Mail me and I'll get back to you as soon as possible:

    pt@controlledlabs.com

    Disclaimer: The above post is IN MY OPINION, or IN MY EXPERIENCE, unless otherwise noted.
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    Originally Posted by gregisthegreate
    My current sups I use are:
    Mega Men Multi
    Flax Caps
    Flax Seed
    Whey Protien
    Kre-Alkalyne
    Glutamine
    Mega Men is good, worth the price if you ask me.
    Flax Caps - I think oil would be much better unless you take down 10 caps.
    Flaxseed - Go with oil, why are you taking 2 different flaxseed oil products.
    Whey Protein - It best be Optimum
    Kre-Alkalyn - Drop it, get some Creatine Ethyl Ester
    Glutamine - Why? It does nothing if you ask me. Drop this.
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    Originally Posted by JRRBadBoy4Life
    I'd drop the glutamine and go with some bulk BCAA's.
    Excellent advice right there.

    If you are on a budget, I'd start with some bulk leucine powder pre, during, post workout. Consider mixing it with a electrolyte beverage.
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    Consider mixing it with a electrolyte beverage.
    Will Gatorade powder work?
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    Also, what is the purpose of mixing it with an electrolyte beverage?
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