Navy Cross recipient Capt. Chontosh on Crossfit and its military applications:
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01-29-2013, 05:51 PM #61
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01-29-2013, 05:55 PM #62
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Which is fine, but it is absurd for crossfit to make the claim that natural bodybuilders wont come close to crossfitters in terms of lbm.
Someone who is focused 100% on achieving one thing is always going to progress more in that one thing than someone who is focused 10% on achieving 10 different things, if all other variables are constant.
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01-29-2013, 05:55 PM #63
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01-29-2013, 05:59 PM #64
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01-29-2013, 06:04 PM #67
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That line is silly marketing BS to appeal to certain demographics. Of course you're right.
The Crossfit establishment knows this because, yes, I'm a member of their forum, I always hear stuff like it's better to only have a 225 bench but also run a sub-21 minute 5K and have 20+ deadhang pullups than to have a 300+lb bench and be slow and struggle at pullups. Crossfit is very big on being jacks of all trades, rather than specialists, which makes sense in a military context.
Straight from the marketing:
CrossFit is the principal strength and conditioning program for many police academies and tactical operations teams, military special operations units, champion martial artists, and hundreds of other elite and professional athletes worldwide.
Our program delivers a fitness that is, by design, broad, general, and inclusive. Our specialty is not specializing. Combat, survival, many sports, and life reward this kind of fitness and, on average, punish the specialist.
So yes, the marketing is contradictory but the latter is what Crossfit is about.
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01-29-2013, 06:04 PM #68
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01-29-2013, 06:09 PM #70
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lol...crossfit
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01-29-2013, 06:10 PM #71
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What has to be remembered is that Crossfit is so decentralized. Yes, there's the main Crossfit.com site but individual gyms and websites do their own programming.
Remember Gym Jones, the gym behind getting the 300 actors ripped? It was a Crossfit gym that broke off. Others keep the branding but bring in other influences. It's decentralized.
Half the pictures in this thread are clearly not crossfit (ie- using machines; Crossfitters would never use pulley machines, believe me), jokes (the kipping everything ones), or some bizarre **** that some retard at A crossfit gym somewhere (remember, decentralized) came up with.
Like I said. Browse Crossfit.com's WODs or look at that video to get an idea of what Crossfit SHOULD be and what is IS if it's done right.
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01-29-2013, 06:11 PM #72
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01-29-2013, 06:13 PM #73
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Also forgot to mention earlier, my dads friend called me the other day. He knows I am in the midst of getting my personal training career started and has been crossfitting for several months, with some success at losing weight. He was concerned because he thought crossfit was going to overtake conventional lifting and eliminate the personal trainer in the long run. I was just like lol when was the last time you heard "p90x" come out of someones mouth. Conventional gym/lifting/trainer not going anywhere.
I think crossfit has its place but the execution of it by the masses is just screaming maximization of injury risk and mediocre physique results. I'm sure everyone doing it "feels better" and is probably in overall better health, but 95% of the people I know that crossfit look like skinnyfat average joes, and love telling me how much more functional strength they have than me.
I know there are exceptions to this, and as I said, I do think crossfit has its place.
The sad reality is that the majority of crossfitters don't go get the WOD themselves. They go to a crossfit gym and listen to some moron telling them to destroy their rotator cuffs and that is why the image is what it is today. 2-3 years ago I had friends getting the WOD themselves and doing at conventional gyms. That was when the nearest crossfit gym was downtown atlanta. Now there are like 4 within a 10 mile radius of me.
people like you are the exception at this point brah, not the rule.Last edited by TooLateForRoses; 01-29-2013 at 06:18 PM.
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01-29-2013, 06:15 PM #74
if all the crossfit people looked like or had the form of the dude and the chick in the commercial i dont think they would get so much hate.... the BIGGEST thing everyone hates on is the fact that the people doing it run rampant and look like they are one slip away from a fractured vertebra or a slipped disc (or 3)
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01-29-2013, 06:15 PM #75
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01-29-2013, 06:18 PM #76
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01-29-2013, 06:21 PM #77
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I can't speak on it beyond my limited experience at OCS and this Delay Entry stuff. I'm going back to OCS on February 11th to finish training and commission. We have Marines at this forum who will be better able to answer how widespread Crossfit is.
I can only say that we did it and Crossfit-style exercises at OCS and every Marine officer I know is a Crossfit proponent. I don't know how much the enlisted side supports it or how widespread it is in the Fleet.
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01-29-2013, 06:22 PM #78
For military you just need good cardio with average level of strength
Most of your training should be with your equipment
Training similar to how mma fighters do with their strength and conditioning programs would be safer and more effective then the stupid **** crossfit makes you do. Join a mma gym you'll learn self defense and get in good shape if your training for military purposes.
If goal is to build muscle yeah crossfit is retarded
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01-29-2013, 06:25 PM #79
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Crossfit is pretty much guaranteed to ruin your back, rupture your achilles, and give you rhabdomyolosis. And this cult mentality that they emphasize where it's "cool to still work out when injured", and they consider themselves these urban warriors is literally the stupidest, stupidest thing I can ever think of. Not to mention all the self-centered, vainglorious pregnant women who miscarry every year because they insist that they're so tough they can do the exercises while pregnant.
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01-29-2013, 06:25 PM #80
The 'cult' of Crossfit in the military/tactical community is even more apparent then in the civilian world; case in point. You have got to be joking if you seriously think 'Crossfit' has some sort of monopoly on that sort of workout program.
(I am heavily involved in the tactical/military community so I'm not just bs-ing and I know you are part of it as well)
Stuff like www.militaryathlete.com is far superior; but also things like strongman training will go a LONG WAY to being effective on the battlefield.
Crossfit mainly makes you better at Crossfit; which is fine.
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01-29-2013, 06:26 PM #81
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01-29-2013, 06:29 PM #84
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I can live with what you and the last few posters have said.
I'm sure we can agree that ANY routine in the wrong hands will end up terrible, injury-ridden, and mockable, not just Crossfit. Crossfit's ad-hoc nature with very varied exercises, competitive time and rep-oriented schemes, no periodization, and decentralized structure may make it more susceptible to injury or ineffectiveness in the wrong hands, though.
But this anti-Crossfit attitude the typical Miscer has is so hyperbolic and silly; it's a caricature that they're making fun of and they're throwing the baby with the bath water.
Is it ideal for bodybuilding? Probably not.
But could the average Miscer use a 'Cindy' session or attempt a muscle up every once in a while? Certainly. And that tells me, why hate?
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01-29-2013, 06:31 PM #85
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01-29-2013, 06:32 PM #86
I would train at a nearby Crossfit gym, not do to actual Crossfit of course, but to do Olympic lifting, because the gym also housed an Olympic lifting club.
CF always struck me as a bit strange. It seems so random and insufficiently goal oriented, and when they tried doing the Olympic lifting movements....*srs cringing*. Most of them the patience and lack of "stupid hothead" tendencies required to be good at those movements so they should probably give up in that domain. A lot of them had godawful mobility and their form on a lot of things was just fuarking terrible. Even squatting. Come on, squatting is not rocket science.
I don't understand why they think they're so special or why they wear their ridiculous shirts saying things like "often imitated, never duplicated". Even if your goal was to be good across a variety of "modal domains" (to use CF marketing speak) don't you think you would be better training for an actual sport that demanded a variety of physical abilities, like the pentathalon (which requires flexibility, speed, strength, explosive power, coordination, reasonable amount of endurance for the 1500 m) or Olympic weightlifting (explosive power, flexibility, technical ability, strength, agility, coordination)? You'd most likely be far better off given that you were actually working with planning and structure toward goals, which are anathema to CF and it's "random **** all the ****ing time" philosophy.Last edited by jb4476; 01-29-2013 at 06:38 PM.
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01-29-2013, 06:33 PM #87
Because you could just say:
"Complete as many rounds in 20 minutes as you can of:
5 Pull-ups
10 Push-ups
15 Squats"
Instead of calling it 'Crossfit' or 'Cindy', etc. As soon as you call it 'Crossfit' you HAVE to deal with what you are calling a caricature, because that is the reality. The only thing that makes it 'Crossfit' and not a series of exercises is the 'lifestyle' surrounding it or the sport/competition aspect of it.
'Crossfit' is the 'caricature' you are talking about, not HIIT/circuit training/Olympic lifting/etc.
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01-29-2013, 06:33 PM #88
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01-29-2013, 06:37 PM #89
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Rob Shaul, who runs militaryathlete and mountainathlete was affiliated with Crossfit at one point.
There was an odd 'purge' about 3-4 years ago where a lot of Crossfit-affiliated figures (like Rippetoe, Dan John, the Paleo guy I forgot his name, etc.) broke ties with the organization. It wasn't about fitness, as far as I know, but probably about Coach Glassman's ego.
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