Supplements/Research Chemicals For Increased Sperm Count/Motility. Need Suggestions.

papi93 · 07-07-2006, 11:19 AM

These are some of the supplements that I have found from my research:
Arginine 4g
Zinc 60mg
Vitamin C 1000mg
Coenzyme Q10 10mg
Flaxseed Oil 1 tbsp.
L-carnitine 3-4g
Selenium 200mcg
Vitamin B12 1000mcg
Vitamin E 800IUs

Tribulus 4g
Panax Ginseng ?
Astragalus and Sarsaparilla (not sure what these are but they are herbals of some kind).

Research chemicals: 20mg nolvadex
Would bromocriptine (decreasing prolactin levels) be a good addition?

Any other suggestions, via supplements or research chemicals will be appreciated (reps). Thanks.

papi93 · 07-07-2006, 11:53 AM

Bump.

Chevymetal · 07-07-2006, 12:22 PM

I'm assuming you and your wife are trying to have a baby? Have you had an actual sperm count done? If not that would be first. If you find that your count is normal, your wife could be the guilty party

. If so, I would suggest you do some research on progesterone for her.

papi93 · 07-07-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chevymetal

I'm assuming you and your wife are trying to have a baby? Have you had an actual sperm count done? If not that would be first. If you find that your count is normal, your wife could be the guilty party

. If so, I would suggest you do some research on progesterone for her.

She wants to try in a couple of months. I don't think I will have any problems but I was just wondering what I could do to assist the process. We have never tried. Thanks for the advice, reps.

spoonman · 07-07-2006, 02:10 PM

I would not suggest using Nolva...its really not worth the possible health risks unless you are using it for PCT or on cycle to prevent gyno.

On top of that, those other supplements would not be of much help unless you had a deficiency so take your multi and you will be good.

If I were you, I would recommend looking into a product by Goliath Labs called Ejaculoid. It is pretty much the best sexual health product around. It has a great combination of ingredients that will help boost libido, erections and also help increase semen volume. Pretty much all-in-one product when it comes to sexual function. 30 servings is around $20 so its not expensive either.

papi93 · 07-07-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonman

I would not suggest using Nolva...its really not worth the possible health risks unless you are using it for PCT or on cycle to prevent gyno.

On top of that, those other supplements would not be of much help unless you had a deficiency so take your multi and you will be good.

If I were you, I would recommend looking into a product by Goliath Labs called Ejaculoid. It is pretty much the best sexual health product around. It has a great combination of ingredients that will help boost libido, erections and also help increase semen volume. Pretty much all-in-one product when it comes to sexual function. 30 servings is around $20 so its not expensive either.

Are speaking about nolva being hard on the liver? What about clomid?

I'll take a look at the ingredients of Ejaculoid. Thanks for your advice.

spoonman · 07-07-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by papi93

Are speaking about nolva being hard on the liver? What about clomid?

I'll take a look at the ingredients of Ejaculoid. Thanks for your advice.

Yes it is hard on the liver but that is not all. It seems to effect my libido negatively to a certain extent and it seems to make me look a lot smoother. SERMs are serious drugs and when used in context (after an AAS cycle), their benefits fat outweigh the risks. I have never used Clomid as Nolva has always been adequate and I think Clomid generally has some more noticeable side effects, although I have heard that it does a lot of good for libido and sexual issues. This is post-cycle though...I urge you not to take the chance of using a serious drug that may have reprecussions when you don't stand to gain much benefit from it's use.

Heres the ejaculoid http://bodybuilding.com/store/gol/ejac.html

It is a mixture of natural herbs as opposed to being a breast cancer drug (like clomid and nolva)

papi93 · 07-07-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonman

Yes it is hard on the liver but that is not all. It seems to effect my libido negatively to a certain extent and it seems to make me look a lot smoother. SERMs are serious drugs and when used in context (after an AAS cycle), their benefits fat outweigh the risks. I have never used Clomid as Nolva has always been adequate and I think Clomid generally has some more noticeable side effects, although I have heard that it does a lot of good for libido and sexual issues. This is post-cycle though...I urge you not to take the chance of using a serious drug that may have reprecussions when you don't stand to gain much benefit from it's use.

Heres the ejaculoid http://bodybuilding.com/store/gol/ejac.html

It is a mixture of natural herbs as opposed to being a breast cancer drug (like clomid and nolva)

Sounds good. Thanks for your help.

thepopo · 07-07-2006, 07:09 PM

I call this the porn star drug b/c many people claim that clomide results in larger semenal output if you will. This is the result of an LH (leutinizing hormone) surge that results from the mechanisms by which clomide inhibits estrogen. Some people mistake this for increased testosterone levels. While LH is part of the feedback loop for testosterone. thie LH surge does not signify testosterone levels returning to normal. In order for test levels to return to normal there has to be a constant array of surges in LH levels. A constant high LH level will actually result in less testosterone production b/c the testes only respond to the surges. They use LH agonist to provide constant stimulation that results in chemical castration effects.

Clomifene acts by inhibiting the action of estrogen on the gonadotrope cells in the anterior pituitary gland. "Sensing" low estrogen levels, follicle-stimulating hormone release is increased, leading to a higher rate of ovulation and hence pregnancy.

It is much like Nolva(tamoxifene) but not as potent and with a few more side effects.
Clomid is a mixed estrogen agonist/antagonist (activator/blocker) which, when bound to the estrogen receptor, puts it in a somewhat different conformation (shape) than does estradiol. The estrogen receptor requires binding of an estrogen or drug at its binding site and also the binding of any of several cofactors at different sites. Without the binding of the cofactor, the estrogen receptor is inactive. Different tissues use different cofactors. Some of these cofactors are able to bind to the estrogen receptor/Clomid complex, but others are blocked due to the change in shape. The result is that in some tissues Clomid acts as an antagonist -- the cofactor used in that tissue cannot bind and so the receptor remains inactive -- and in others Clomid acts as an agonist (activator), because the cofactors used in that tissue are able to bind.
Clomid is an effective antagonist in the hypothalamus and in breast tissue. It is an effective agonist in bone tissue, and for improving blood cholesterol.
Clomid also has the property of reducing the adverse effect of exercise-induced damage of muscle tissue. This is very significant for endurance athletes but is not very significant, if at all significant, with reasonable weight training. Clomid does not perceptibly affect gains of the weight trainer either favorably or adversely in my experience.

(originally written by thegamekeh)

Clomid's the heavyweight for sperm count. That's one of its main functions - a fertility drug. Short term use would not be harmful - you could avoid most of the sides if you don't exceed 14-21 days.

dtrain13 · 07-07-2006, 08:09 PM

Clomid, hands down. Got my wife pregnant while in PCT while on Clomid.

thepopo · 07-08-2006, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dtrain13

Clomid, hands down. Got my wife pregnant while in PCT while on Clomid.

True that brotha!

papi93 · 07-10-2006, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by thepopo

I call this the porn star drug b/c many people claim that clomide results in larger semenal output if you will. This is the result of an LH (leutinizing hormone) surge that results from the mechanisms by which clomide inhibits estrogen. Some people mistake this for increased testosterone levels. While LH is part of the feedback loop for testosterone. thie LH surge does not signify testosterone levels returning to normal. In order for test levels to return to normal there has to be a constant array of surges in LH levels. A constant high LH level will actually result in less testosterone production b/c the testes only respond to the surges. They use LH agonist to provide constant stimulation that results in chemical castration effects.

Clomifene acts by inhibiting the action of estrogen on the gonadotrope cells in the anterior pituitary gland. "Sensing" low estrogen levels, follicle-stimulating hormone release is increased, leading to a higher rate of ovulation and hence pregnancy.

It is much like Nolva(tamoxifene) but not as potent and with a few more side effects.
Clomid is a mixed estrogen agonist/antagonist (activator/blocker) which, when bound to the estrogen receptor, puts it in a somewhat different conformation (shape) than does estradiol. The estrogen receptor requires binding of an estrogen or drug at its binding site and also the binding of any of several cofactors at different sites. Without the binding of the cofactor, the estrogen receptor is inactive. Different tissues use different cofactors. Some of these cofactors are able to bind to the estrogen receptor/Clomid complex, but others are blocked due to the change in shape. The result is that in some tissues Clomid acts as an antagonist -- the cofactor used in that tissue cannot bind and so the receptor remains inactive -- and in others Clomid acts as an agonist (activator), because the cofactors used in that tissue are able to bind.
Clomid is an effective antagonist in the hypothalamus and in breast tissue. It is an effective agonist in bone tissue, and for improving blood cholesterol.
Clomid also has the property of reducing the adverse effect of exercise-induced damage of muscle tissue. This is very significant for endurance athletes but is not very significant, if at all significant, with reasonable weight training. Clomid does not perceptibly affect gains of the weight trainer either favorably or adversely in my experience.

(originally written by thegamekeh)

Clomid's the heavyweight for sperm count. That's one of its main functions - a fertility drug. Short term use would not be harmful - you could avoid most of the sides if you don't exceed 14-21 days.

I buy all of my research chemicals from your site. I just finished using arimidex as a test booster. 0.5mg ED for 4 weeks. Increased my test and reduced water retention. Clomid it is! Thanks and reps.

papi93 · 07-10-2006, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dtrain13

Clomid, hands down. Got my wife pregnant while in PCT while on Clomid.

Congrats on your marriage and baby. Thanks for the practical information. Reps.

papi93 · 07-10-2006, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by thepopo

True that brotha!

What about your product for reducing prolactin?

papi93 · 07-12-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by papi93

What about your product for reducing prolactin?

Bump for a reply.

papi93 · 07-19-2006, 09:29 AM

Bump again.

HalleluYAH · 07-19-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by papi93

Tribulus 4g

from what i've read, supplements that create high test levels can lead to the hypothalamus gland detecting high test levels, and shutting off the portion of the endocrine system that produces testosterone and sperm.

just an fyi

spoonman · 07-19-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by papi93

Bump again.

I dont understand why you are so worried about your sperm. Any normal male should have no trouble inpregnating a female and if you do, the doctor is the one to consult with.

e2the2nd · 07-19-2006, 12:59 PM

Check out fenugreek. Many users report a larger "load". Look into it...

papi93 · 07-20-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by e2the2nd

Check out fenugreek. Many users report a larger "load". Look into it...

I'm taking fenugreek right now. Forgot to add that to my list. Thanks.

papi93 · 07-20-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonman

I dont understand why you are so worried about your sperm. Any normal male should have no trouble inpregnating a female and if you do, the doctor is the one to consult with.

Well...I guess I sweat the details. Overcompensating or something like that.

Joey3 · 07-20-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by e2the2nd

Check out fenugreek. Many users report a larger "load". Look into it...

I would definitely drop fenugreek, load might be bigger, but I dont believe the actual count/motility would be greater. From what Ive read (go to mind and muscle.net) it actually is not good to take fenugreek when trying to increase sperm count

papi93 · 07-21-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Joey3

I would definitely drop fenugreek, load might be bigger, but I dont believe the actual count/motility would be greater. From what Ive read (go to mind and muscle.net) it actually is not good to take fenugreek when trying to increase sperm count

Damn, I'm taking it right now. Thanks for the information.

papi93 · 07-25-2006, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HalleluYAH

from what i've read, supplements that create high test levels can lead to the hypothalamus gland detecting high test levels, and shutting off the portion of the endocrine system that produces testosterone and sperm.

just an fyi

Hmmm...I didn't think that any of these supplements or research chemicals would be suppressive on test levels.

dito · 07-25-2006, 09:10 AM

I am using Ejaculoid now and not impressed.

NoI · 07-25-2006, 09:30 AM

This hiots close to home. My wife and I had to do In vitro fertilization to get pregnant. Over 4 years, I have many, many sperm count tests done. I had both low count and low motility. So I have met with many doctors on this subject. The bottom line: there is nothing that supps will do for you. The problem is bigger than that.

However, there are a lot of things that can be done to get pregnant. The first is to try clomid. However, no doctor will prescribe this until after you have tried unsuccessfully for one full year to get pregnant. Why?

How woudl you feel about your wife having 4 viable fetuses? How would you feel about a 30% chance that at least one will die and an even higher chance that some or all of the survivors will have birth defects, malformed lungs and brain damage? Not so good huh? Well that is the type of decision you start to face when you play around with fertility drugs like clomid. The odds of horrible things happenig get very high.

I personally have had to wrestle with decisions such as: could I selectively abort one or two of my children? Which ones get killed? Would I be able to raise a child with severe cerebral palsy? How would I handle having my child die in a hospital incubator?

Sorry to sound so grim, but this is the reality of fertility treatment. I know. I have been there.

So please, for the sake of you, your wife, your marriage and your future children, have some patience and try the normal way for a year at least. If you are older and worried about not having a year in which to try, go to a fertility doctor and get the facts. The stakes are to high for carelessness, my friend.

By the way, it all worked out OK in the end and I have several wonderful children. But I am a lucky case.

Good luck.

papi93 · 07-25-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dito

I am using Ejaculoid now and not impressed.

I am as well. I feel the same way. I'm just over half done with the bottle. How far are you?

spoonman · 07-25-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dito

I am using Ejaculoid now and not impressed.

I have never heard that feedback from anyone. I take 2 caps and walking in gym shorts will nearly give me a hardon. On top of that, it really does make my load huge. Thats just me though. I've only bought 1 bottle and I just use 2 caps every now and then if I'm going to be drinking that night or something.

I notice a libido boost, better erections and better loads.