I'm jelly of top tier salesmen. Good career if you want to retire early.

[MikeLowrrrey]

-No college needed
-Work Hard
-Make $200k+ salary
-Save and invest 15 to 20 years.

Retire in your late 40s with a part time job and doing whatever the heck you want.

Meanwhile STEMcels are making $80k and putting pennies in their 401k to retire at 65.

[DirtyDon123]

so why aren't you in sales?

[MikeLowrrrey]

so why aren't you in sales?

The few companies I applied for didn't call me back. I imagine it's because I lack experience. Applied for another company, waiting to hear back.

[WoofieNugget]

Sales is a lifestyle, and you need to be able to manage things that most people can't. Like rejection, swings in income and sometimes hating yourself.

Tech or pharma sales, especially with renewable or cyclical sales cycles are the GOAT. Make money from current customers renewing, make sure competition doesn't take them, and chip away at new business. EZ game.

[notbadnotbrad]

The few companies I applied for didn't call me back. I imagine it's because I lack experience. Applied for another company, waiting to hear back.

Did you just apply online? You want to be a sales guy and you can't even apply like a sales guy lol? Sales guys are the hiring managers fyi.

When I got into sales I would go on LinkedIn and message people who had titles like "head of sales" at companies I wanted to work for and ask them if I could grab them a coffee and pick their brain about the company. Most were very receptive and I started going out for coffees weekly and getting interviews. Even if there wasn't an immediate opening I built some relationships. The first job I got I met the guy for coffee and there wasn't anything open but he called me back 6 months later and I landed an entry level role.

My only experience at the time was as a construction laborer.

[RobParks2M]

lolz if you think you are getting a big sales job with no college degree.

Stryker the GOAT of GOATs

[MikeLowrrrey]

Did you just apply online? You want to be a sales guy and you can't even apply like a sales guy lol? Sales guys are the hiring managers fyi.

When I got into sales I would go on LinkedIn and message people who had titles like "head of sales" at companies I wanted to work for and ask them if I could grab them a coffee and pick their brain about the company. Most were very receptive and I started going out for coffees weekly and getting interviews. Even if there wasn't an immediate opening I built some relationships. The first job I got I met the guy for coffee and there wasn't anything open but he called me back 6 months later and I landed an entry level role.

My only experience at the time was as a construction laborer.

Hmm... this is a good idea. Never thought about it. I'm gonna try it. What should I ask exactly? I can message a Sr Regional Operations Manager in my area for this job I applied for.


Only thing is, I may have a regular higher paying salary job soon because a recruiter said they have an open position for me. What do I do?

[donblaximus]

top tier sales guys in tech make $200k a quarter not a year bro

[notbadnotbrad]

Hmm... this is a good idea. Never thought about it. I'm gonna try it. What should I ask exactly? I can message a Sr Regional Operations Manager in my area for this job I applied for.


Only thing is, I may have a regular higher paying salary job soon because a recruiter said they have an open position for me. What do I do?

one sec - will go into my LinkedIn sent messages from like 5 years ago and give you a template.

More messages like these = more relationships = more interviews = more job opps

Just like in sales the more meetings, phone calls, demos, etc (stronger your pipeline) the more $$$ .. you can literally message whoever you want. I used to message CEOs lmao .. it doesn't matter .. these guys aren't God

As for your current role, who cares. You always want to be networking and building relationships. Who knows you may hate the job in a year and you’ll be glad you have 15 guys you know personally who can hook you up with something else because you were proactive and networked a year before.

[bchap05]

Yeah one of my first jobs after college was basically bus to bus insurance sells. Trying to get insurance reps to sell my insurance over other companies. I wasn't that good due to my severe hatred of cold calling, but was jealous of the top guys. We had like 9 reps or so and the top 4 probably made like 150-250k (in 2007).

They basically always said hate you life for 5 years and then you will be loaded because you just work with your agent relationships then not cold calling anymore and its super easy.

[MikeLowrrrey]

Yeah one of my first jobs after college was basically bus to bus insurance sells. Trying to get insurance reps to sell my insurance over other companies. I wasn't that good due to my severe hatred of cold calling, but was jealous of the top guys. We had like 9 reps or so and the top 4 probably made like 150-250k (in 2007).

They basically always said hate you life for 5 years and then you will be loaded because you just work with your agent relationships then not cold calling anymore and its super easy.

Yeah I gotta at least try.

[AdvancedDreamer]

You know STEMcels could eventually get into sales if they want, right?

[Beast92]

Did this for years, its a high stress job, u cant just sit back and not be always delivering or u will be replaced

[shmobin]

You know STEMcels could eventually get into sales if they want, right?

Not most of them. At least not successfully. To be successful at sales requires a very specific type of personality and mindset. They are not process orientated people at all.

[atgbrahsrs]

You know STEMcels could eventually get into sales if they want, right?

this

and in fact heavily scientific/technical sales products tend to not accept Timothy Jackson with his BA in Business Admin

Not most of them. At least not successfully. To be successful at sales requires a very specific type of personality and mindset. They are not process orientated people at all.

that doesnt matter because your point stands for most people in general and most general sales jobs


but certain niches in medical/software sometimes prefer to take on non-autistic scientists and software engineers

[Ratfish]

sell me this thread, OPie

[atgbrahsrs]

lolz if you think you are getting a big sales job with no college degree.

Stryker the GOAT of GOATs

and also this

JFL at Mikes

[MikeLowrrrey]

one sec - will go into my LinkedIn sent messages from like 5 years ago and give you a template.

More messages like these = more relationships = more interviews = more job opps

Just like in sales the more meetings, phone calls, demos, etc (stronger your pipeline) the more $$$ .. you can literally message whoever you want. I used to message CEOs lmao .. it doesn't matter .. these guys aren't God

As for your current role, who cares. You always want to be networking and building relationships. Who knows you may hate the job in a year and you’ll be glad you have 15 guys you know personally who can hook you up with something else because you were proactive and networked a year before.

I thought you were joking lol and was typing up my own message. Gonna try your template anyway.

[notbadnotbrad]

this

and in fact heavily scientific/technical sales products tend to not accept Timothy Jackson with his BA in Business Admin

In my industry ex equity or FI guys with actual investing and technical skills become institutional PMs and go on the road with the sales guys or hop on calls with the sales guys to help close deals

In tech and at a company like Salesforce it's all Timothy Jackson's with a BA in business Admin who are the "sales guys" they just have technical product guys that help them with more complicated stuff. Go on LinkedIn now and look up high level sales guys for Salesforce - most of them have garbage liberal arts degrees or biz admin degrees

[shmobin]

that doesnt matter because your point stands for most people in general and most general sales jobs

but certain niches in medical/software sometimes prefer to take on non-autistic scientists and software engineers

Most people fail at sales. I'm talking about being successful.

I'll take my decades of actual real life experience as the winner here. When I meet someone I can tell within 5 minutes of they are going to be successful at sales or if they will peak as a glorified account manager. They are two very distinctly different people.

[shmobin]

In my industry ex equity or FI guys with actual investing and technical skills become institutional PMs and go on the road with the sales guys or hop on calls with the sales guys to help close deals

In tech and at a company like Salesforce it's all Timothy Jackson's with a BA in business Admin who are the "sales guys" they just have technical product guys that help them with more complicated stuff. Go on LinkedIn now and look up high level sales guys for Salesforce - most of them have garbage liberal arts degrees or biz admin degrees

Nailed it. They have a liberal arts degree in Communications or something silly like that because an expert level sales guy sucks at college. It moves too slow to keep their attention.

[iamdetermined]

No degree or experience required to do loans, Real estate, or insurance. They are straight commission though. Sucks at first but eventually the phone becomes a money printer. You won't get hired for a sales job if you don't approach it like one. Call the sales directors or managers and try to meet up with them. Applying via LinkedIn is worthless.

At one point my boss was making $40k/mo but it can get stressful. Just keep in mind you make a lot for a reason. It's not as easy as Wolf of Wall Street.

top tier sales guys in tech make $200k a quarter not a year bro

Top tier real estate or insurance sales people make $100k+ a month. Work/life balance is non-existent though at those levels though.

[MikeLowrrrey]

Most people fail at sales. I'm talking about being successful.

I'll take my decades of actual real life experience as the winner here. When I meet someone I can tell within 5 minutes of they are going to be successful at sales or if they will peak as a glorified account manager. They are two very distinctly different people.

Too late, already sent a message to a Sr. Guy in my area.

Now I wait for his response.

[PaulJerome]

You can run any business you want in any field, if you can bring in the sales. You can hire top talent on salary because you bring the revenue. I've employed 100's of sales people. It's not necessarily the ones that are most gifted but rather the ones who don't give up easily.

I'm cold calling real estate deals between posts, because I get a rush out of it. The key is to skip right into the middle of the conversation. I don't say 'hi this is Paul from xyz co. how are you?'

I assume I got the right party on the line and say 'Hey Dan, this is Paul. Trying to figure out why you haven't sold 123 Anywhere street it's scheduled for auction in September but you have equity. Did you know you have equity?'

Then shut up and let them answer.

But again, people on this board who think they can't do sales are the same ones who can't cold approach women on the street. Step out of your shell, man.

[OffwhiteBrah]

awaiting Lefticle

[atgbrahsrs]

In my industry ex equity or FI guys with actual investing and technical skills become institutional PMs and go on the road with the sales guys or hop on calls with the sales guys to help close deals

In tech and at a company like Salesforce it's all Timothy Jackson's with a BA in business Admin who are the "sales guys" they just have technical product guys that help them with more complicated stuff. Go on LinkedIn now and look up high level sales guys for Salesforce - most of them have garbage liberal arts degrees or biz admin degrees

Most people fail at sales. I'm talking about being successful.

I'll take my decades of actual real life experience as the winner here. When I meet someone I can tell within 5 minutes of they are going to be successful at sales or if they will peak as a glorified account manager. They are two very distinctly different people.

Finance industry is a bit different Brad.

When I say highly technical sales I mostly mean those sales where you are doing B2B type or pitching to VC/PE.

E.g. highly specialised life science or computer science (mostly AI stuff) start-ups hire sales people to pitch to Big Pharma and Big Tech for an acquisition directly (Corporate Development style) or using infrastructure to deploy first 100s thousands units (medical devices etc)

These type of guys almost always need a huge technical expertise. On the buy-side of life science elite VC they require PhDs not MBAs

Retail customer centric stuff, whether it is in finance (cards etc) non-enterprise tech (cloud stuff) is subhuman.

[shmobin]

No degree or experience required to do loans, Real estate, or insurance. They are straight commission though. Sucks at first but eventually the phone becomes a money printer. You won't get hired for a sales job if you don't approach it like one. Call the sales directors or managers and try to meet up with them. Applying via LinkedIn is worthless.

At one point my boss was making $40k/mo but it can get stressful. Just keep in mind you make a lot for a reason. It's not as easy as Wolf of Wall Street.




Top tier real estate or insurance sales people make $100k+ a month. Work/life balance is non-existent though at those levels though.

Real estate only pays you once. Insurance could in theory pay you forever. RE agents have to hustle way harder but the sell is easier in the right market.

Too late, already sent a message to a Sr. Guy in my area.

Now I wait for his response.

Best of luck to ya brah.

[notbadnotbrad]

Finance industry is a bit different Brad.

When I say highly technical sales I mostly mean those sales where you are doing B2B type or pitching to VC/PE.

E.g. highly specialised life science or computer science (mostly AI stuff) start-ups hire sales people to pitch to Big Pharma and Big Tech for an acquisition directly (Corporate Development style) or using infrastructure to deploy first 100s thousands units (medical devices etc)

Retail customer centric stuff, whether it is in finance (cards etc) non-enterprise tech (cloud stuff) is subhuman.

Salesforce, oracle, Amazon, Microsoft etc. are all B2B sales roles that don’t require highly specialized experience or degrees to land a role

I think you’re confusing sales for fundraising and capital raising in which case you’re going to have to come from that industry in a highly specialized role or come from banking or something but becoming a VP, Sales at a tech company doesn’t require that

[atgbrahsrs]

Salesforce, oracle, Amazon, Microsoft etc. are all B2B sales roles that don’t require highly specialized experience or degrees to land a role

I think you’re confusing sales for fundraising and capital raising in which case you’re going to have to come from that industry in a highly specialized role or come from banking or something but becoming a VP, Sales at a tech company doesn’t require that

i definitely do not have first hand experience


but I just know that that some some "cutting-edge tech" start ups in the life science and medical device sales want ex labrats and engineers to be sales people

[MikeLowrrrey]

Salesforce, oracle, Amazon, Microsoft etc. are all B2B sales roles that don’t require highly specialized experience or degrees to land a role

I think you’re confusing sales for fundraising and capital raising in which case you’re going to have to come from that industry in a highly specialized role or come from banking or something but becoming a VP, Sales at a tech company doesn’t require that

You don't nee a degree for companies like Amazon and Microsoft? Seems like you would being they are software companies where you need a software/business background.