'No Deadlifts if you're an older athlete'! - Really!

[chriswatton66]

I ordered a book called Muscle Exercises Encyclopedia by Oscar Moran from Amazon last week.


I had a flick through, and I'm not sure I agree with some of the comments regarding Squats and Deadlifts.

For Squats, the author advocates doing only Half Squats, due to too much knee pressure for parallel or below, and for deadlifts it's worse news, he suggests avoiding them altogether for 'older athletes', stating that way too much pressure is put on the vertebrae.

The author starts off by stating that "The bad news for bodybuilders who are traditionalists is that this exercise is dangerous and may be inadvisable"

Anyone agree, should Deadlifts be avoided altogether for us 'older folk', or advised against for younger bodybuilder? I don't!

For the Squat, he states that, "Some people call this the 'Half' Squat. In this authors opinion, however, supporters of the 'Full' or 'Deep' Squat ignore the intense strain the movement places on the knee if heavy weights are used, with the accompanying risk of serious or chronic injury"! I know that there is plenty of people who advocate doing Squats to parallel and no further, but Half Squats!

May send this book back...

Chris

[DuracellBunny]

I ordered a book called Muscle Exercises Encyclopedia by Oscar Moran from Amazon last week.

Never read things written by Morans.

[Flounderbout]

I suspect that nearly everyone in my gym has read that book...

[NorwichGrad]

Never read things written by Morans.

Abso-doot-lee.

Especially if the book is written by this �Moran.�

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[SwoleCPA]

I ordered a book called Muscle Exercises Encyclopedia by Oscar Moran from Amazon last week.


I had a flick through, and I'm not sure I agree with some of the comments regarding Squats and Deadlifts.

For Squats, the author advocates doing only Half Squats, due to too much knee pressure for parallel or below, and for deadlifts it's worse news, he suggests avoiding them altogether for 'older athletes', stating that way too much pressure is put on the vertebrae.

The author starts off by stating that "The bad news for bodybuilders who are traditionalists is that this exercise is dangerous and may be inadvisable"

Anyone agree, should Deadlifts be avoided altogether for us 'older folk', or advised against for younger bodybuilder? I don't!

For the Squat, he states that, "Some people call this the 'Half' Squat. In this authors opinion, however, supporters of the 'Full' or 'Deep' Squat ignore the intense strain the movement places on the knee if heavy weights are used, with the accompanying risk of serious or chronic injury"! I know that there is plenty of people who advocate doing Squats to parallel and no further, but Half Squats!

May send this book back...

Chris

I thought all us old guys knew this. Once you go over 35 you should avoid deadlifts and squats at all cost. Just to be sure I don't even do a full squat to go to the bathroom.

[tomnationwide]

I hurt after heavy lifts below parallel on squats and heavy lifts on deadlifts so I understand where he's coming from. I use less weight now that I'm older and better form and ignore this type of advice.

[chriswatton66]

Abso-doot-lee.

Especially if the book is written by this “Moran.”

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Brilliant!

I could understand if the author advised taking more care (as I am sure we all do anyway), but to simply dismiss them (Deadlifts) altogether is strange!
Also, I thought doing Half Squats as a staple exercise was dangerous, because if full ROM isn't utilised, weak areas develop which could be disastrous further down the line, when heavier weight is used?

[DuracellBunny]

Also, I thought doing Half Squats as a staple exercise was dangerous, because if full ROM isn't utilised, weak areas develop which could be disastrous further down the line, when heavier weight is used?

The truth is even worse, considering the author's advice. Half squats involve using more weight as they are easier, hence greater skeletal load, but not muscular. Stopping the weight half way down means that you arrest the motion with your quads instead of your hams, whereas you would use your hams to stop the motion if you went lower. On top of that, one of the functions of the hams is to stablise the knee joint when using the quads.

If you add all of that up, you get greater mechanical load with less stabilisation when doing half squats. If people want to do them or can only do them due to whatever issues, that's fair enough, but to do them out of some misguided sense of "safety" is just plain wrong and for an author to recommend it is inexcusable.

[ironwill2008]

I ordered a book called Muscle Exercises Encyclopedia by Oscar Moran from Amazon last week.


I had a flick through, and I'm not sure I agree with some of the comments regarding Squats and Deadlifts.

For Squats, the author advocates doing only Half Squats, due to too much knee pressure for parallel or below, and for deadlifts it's worse news, he suggests avoiding them altogether for 'older athletes', stating that way too much pressure is put on the vertebrae.

The author starts off by stating that "The bad news for bodybuilders who are traditionalists is that this exercise is dangerous and may be inadvisable"

Anyone agree, should Deadlifts be avoided altogether for us 'older folk', or advised against for younger bodybuilder? I don't!

For the Squat, he states that, "Some people call this the 'Half' Squat. In this authors opinion, however, supporters of the 'Full' or 'Deep' Squat ignore the intense strain the movement places on the knee if heavy weights are used, with the accompanying risk of serious or chronic injury"! I know that there is plenty of people who advocate doing Squats to parallel and no further, but Half Squats!

May send this book back...

Chris

LOL. It's nonsense, OP.





Get a refund.

[Bo_Flecks]

Oscar Moran...


...For Squats, the author advocates doing only Half Squats, due to too much knee pressure for parallel or below, and for deadlifts it's worse news, he suggests avoiding them altogether for 'older athletes', stating that way too much pressure is put on the vertebrae.

Strong author name to book content ratio.

[HoosierHardGain]

Oh no! I'm scheduled to deadlift tomorrow. Will I die if I do??

[Flounderbout]

Oh no! I'm scheduled to deadlift tomorrow. Will I die if I do??

Yes I'm afraid so Hoos. But hey, you have had a pretty good innings.

[johnmackay]

I belong to a power lifting gym where there are many masters competitors that train there. Most of the older Masters lift geared (squat suits, dls suits) but their lifts are amazing to watch...We have 2 55+ year olds at our gym that can squat over a 1000 lbs geared to full depth, I have also seen a 63 year old squat raw 650 there.

I feel very insignificant doing my measly 500lb raw squat and have just started learning to lift in single ply gear (I see some big numbers coming my way this year learning from these guys).

As for that author - he is an idiot!

[HoosierHardGain]

Yes I'm afraid so Hoos. But hey, you have had a pretty good innings.

[Fishman15]

I thought all us old guys knew this. Once you go over 35 you should avoid deadlifts and squats at all cost. Just to be sure I don't even do a full squat to go to the bathroom.

I stand up to poo now because of that book. It's not too bad once you get used to it but the big splash is really annoying...

[Fishman15]

Abso-doot-lee.

Especially if the book is written by this “Moran.”

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NG, I bet you never thought that sign would ring so true. Well done...

[squatnonymous]

smh, the things you can find online are disturbing, and this book is one of them!

[MattB74]

Hey NG - Just curious, do you know the source of that picture?

I think I know that guy.

Figured just a coincidence, but then I noticed the Mariners's shirt on the kid in the background - makes me wonder if it was taken in Seattle. If that picture was taken in Seattle, I totally know that guy... (if not I know a guy who looks exactly like that)

[bodyhard]

I ordered a book called Muscle Exercises Encyclopedia by Oscar Moran from Amazon last week.


I had a flick through, and I'm not sure I agree with some of the comments regarding Squats and Deadlifts.

For Squats, the author advocates doing only Half Squats, due to too much knee pressure for parallel or below, and for deadlifts it's worse news, he suggests avoiding them altogether for 'older athletes', stating that way too much pressure is put on the vertebrae.

The author starts off by stating that "The bad news for bodybuilders who are traditionalists is that this exercise is dangerous and may be inadvisable"

Anyone agree, should Deadlifts be avoided altogether for us 'older folk', or advised against for younger bodybuilder? I don't!

For the Squat, he states that, "Some people call this the 'Half' Squat. In this authors opinion, however, supporters of the 'Full' or 'Deep' Squat ignore the intense strain the movement places on the knee if heavy weights are used, with the accompanying risk of serious or chronic injury"! I know that there is plenty of people who advocate doing Squats to parallel and no further, but Half Squats!

May send this book back...

Chris

Burn it.

[MuscleReaction]

LMFAO! All I can do is laugh, you people crack me up!

[ElrondHubbard]

I threw in a couple extra sets of squats today, just to shake things up. I'm pretty sure I hit just a touch below parallel. Now my butt hurts. Would this book have saved my glutes?

[Leddyman]

I do way more damage to my knees and hips playing golf than I do squatting or deadlifting heavy. I never hurt myself in the gym, I warm up, stretch, and use proper form. I played 18 holes today and my freaking left posterior delt and my left knee are on fire.

[chriswatton66]

The book has now been sent back to Amazon and money refunded. It had good customer reviews, too - I can only assume they do not train seriously, or haven't really read it...

[RU4A69]

I ordered a book called Muscle Exercises Encyclopedia by Oscar Moran from Amazon last week.


I had a flick through, and I'm not sure I agree with some of the comments regarding Squats and Deadlifts.

For Squats, the author advocates doing only Half Squats, due to too much knee pressure for parallel or below, and for deadlifts it's worse news, he suggests avoiding them altogether for 'older athletes', stating that way too much pressure is put on the vertebrae.

The author starts off by stating that "The bad news for bodybuilders who are traditionalists is that this exercise is dangerous and may be inadvisable"

Anyone agree, should Deadlifts be avoided altogether for us 'older folk', or advised against for younger bodybuilder? I don't!

For the Squat, he states that, "Some people call this the 'Half' Squat. In this authors opinion, however, supporters of the 'Full' or 'Deep' Squat ignore the intense strain the movement places on the knee if heavy weights are used, with the accompanying risk of serious or chronic injury"! I know that there is plenty of people who advocate doing Squats to parallel and no further, but Half Squats!

May send this book back...

Chris

As much as I hate to admit, my experience agrees somewhat with the author. However, I can do full ROM box squats with absolutely zero knee issues.

As for deadlifts, I have to either use a sub 300lb girl weight or use an abbreviated range of motion (rack pull) if I don't want to be hurting for days after. Between box squats and elevated trap bar deadlifts, I still feel I'm covering all my bases. My #1 priority in the gym nowadays is to leave my workouts injury free. An abbreviated ROM on deadlifts helps ensure a proper arch/thoracic extension.

[congore]

I sure this 'Moron' assumes bench and overhead press are bad for the shoulders as well. I actually do power cleans for 3 lifts and then dead lift for the 4 week of my cycle. I guess that means we'll all have to switch to aerobics or pilates.

[NorthernMusicia]

I have a back that always used to ache. It was horrible. Of course, deadlifts were to be avoided, but, being the iconoclast I am, I tried them. Now if I skip deads my back aches. If I do them, all good. Personally, I think most of us who have matured some are more likely to take the time to get it right, rather than feeling he have to prove something. We tend to lift because we enjoy it, and not to impress the girls. Getting the odd wink from them though is okay by me. I'm in my 50s.

[PiperBill]

Oh No!.. I am about to start a program with the goal of deadlifting 2.5 times my body weight on my 60th birthday. The PT that has me doing this has a masters in sports physiology spesializing in mature (40+) trainees. The program is pretty simple. Eat more and deadlift 3 times a week, adding weight SLOWLY over time.

What to do now?

[Dutchman]

They can write useless trash like that all they want. Just ignore it. The right strength and aerobic program makes us fitter and faster. I rebuilt a back ruined back in a car wreck. primarily with my Deads , and ruined knees primarily with my Squats. Both body parts are now extremely strong and function like new. My gym down here in The Villages (the world's biggest retirement community) doesn't have a Power Rack and rarely a capable spotter, so I make do with the Smith machine. Still at 74, I can Rack Dead a solid 510 and ATG Squat 250 for multiple sets of 5 reps. After more than a decade off I am also back running doing my 60 sec. Intervals at a 7 min./mile pace. I couldn't be happier physically. Throw the books away that want to place lazyman limits on older athletes.

[Juggertha]

I don't squat or deadlift, but it has nothing to do with age. If it works for you, right on! If it doesn't, no problem.

There are lots of ways to skin this cat.

[Robfitx]

They can write useless trash like that all they want. Just ignore it. The right strength and aerobic program makes us fitter and faster. I rebuilt a back ruined back in a car wreck. primarily with my Deads , and ruined knees primarily with my Squats. Both body parts are now extremely strong and function like new. My gym down here in The Villages (the world's biggest retirement community) doesn't have a Power Rack and rarely a capable spotter, so I make do with the Smith machine. Still at 74, I can Rack Dead a solid 510 and ATG Squat 250 for multiple sets of 5 reps. After more than a decade off I am also back running doing my 60 sec. Intervals at a 7 min./mile pace. I couldn't be happier physically. Throw the books away that want to place lazyman limits on older athletes.

Very inspiring post!