If you cast a vote for Bernie Sanders, how do you not identify as a communist?

[ScubaStevo]

Would be interested to hear from forum liberals on how, if they are voting for a communist, they are not communists themselves?

[p100]

The Bolshevik party was called the Social-Democratic Workers' Party. Bernie is literally a Bolshevik.

[trailwarrior]

A communist is a 'conservative' left-winger and conservatism is a disease whether left/right/political/social/religious!

[MangoPort]

It seems like a bit of a straw man argument. Call him a word in which he 'sorta' is, and then decry other parts of that definition to make the conclusion the best of him is equal to the worst of the other. It's logically disingenous.

Just like Liberals that claim that have no idea how anyone can support Trump - they DO know the reasons, they are just too self absorbed to consider the good sides. You too, OP, are the same.

We call that being a hypocrite.

Until you can understand why about 20% of Americans - of ALL level of income and race - think Bernie is the right choice, than you don't even understand people nor your enemy.

[ScubaStevo]

It seems like a bit of a straw man argument. Call him a word in which he 'sorta' is, and then decry other parts of that definition to make the conclusion the best of him is equal to the worst of the other. It's logically disingenous.

Just like Liberals that claim that have no idea how anyone can support Trump - they DO know the reasons, they are just too self absorbed to consider the good sides. You too, OP, are the same.

We call that being a hypocrite.

Until you can understand why about 20% of Americans - of ALL level of income and race - think Bernie is the right choice, than you don't even understand people nor your enemy.

What the f*(k are you talking about?

I know full well why communists would vote for communists. Get it together.

LMFAO

[tnel00]

It seems like a bit of a straw man argument. Call him a word in which he 'sorta' is, and then decry other parts of that definition to make the conclusion the best of him is equal to the worst of the other. It's logically disingenous.

Just like Liberals that claim that have no idea how anyone can support Trump - they DO know the reasons, they are just too self absorbed to consider the good sides. You too, OP, are the same.

We call that being a hypocrite.

Until you can understand why about 20% of Americans - of ALL level of income and race - think Bernie is the right choice, than you don't even understand people nor your enemy.

OP's not asking why someone would support Bernie, he's asking how these supporters can also claim not to be a communist.

[MangoPort]

What the f*(k are you talking about?

I know full well why communists would vote for communists. Get it together.

LMFAO

No you don't, W. Sir.

[Apeus]

Would be interested to hear from forum liberals on how, if they are voting for a communist, they are not communists themselves?

You've been given the definition of communism on a thousand times, yet you still choose to use the word incorrectly.

Explain to me how you're not a troll.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis – common, universal)[1][2] is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6]

When Sanders said he would be abolishing private ownership, turning the means of production over to the workers, and abolishing the state?

Post a source.

[ScubaStevo]

You've been given the definition of communism on a thousand times, yet you still choose to use the word incorrectly.

Explain to me how you're not a troll.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism



When Sanders said he would be abolishing private ownership, turning the means of production over to the workers, and abolishing the state?

Post a source.

com·mu·nism
ˈkämyəˌnizəm/Submit
noun
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Sounds a lot like Sanders to me.

[Apeus]

com·mu·nism
ˈkämyəˌnizəm/Submit
noun
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Sounds a lot like Sanders to me.

Still waiting for that source.

[ScubaStevo]

Still waiting for that source.

LMFAO @ communism.

[Apeus]

LMFAO @ communism.

Everything he said there fits the definition of a social-democrat, just like he claims to be.

Didn't hear anything about communism.

Nothing about abolishing private ownership.

Nothing about common ownership of the means of production.

Nothing about a classless society.

Nothing about abolishing the state.

[ScubaStevo]

Everything he said there fits the definition of a social-democrat, just like he claims to be.

Didn't hear anything about communism.

Nothing about abolishing private ownership.

Nothing about common ownership of the means of production.

Nothing about a classless society.

Nothing about abolishing the state.

LMFAO

how much of a sniveling bleeding heart do you have to be to think he isn't a communist?

LMFAO @ thinking he is going to say "I'm a communist".

I know that you are stuck in elementary school and remember what your 3rd grade liberal teacher told you was the definition of communism.

Meanwhile, you probably think Venezuela is extremely capitalist.

LMFAO

[trailwarrior]

You've been given the definition of communism on a thousand times, yet you still choose to use the word incorrectly.

Explain to me how you're not a troll.

He is cognitively challenged so even if he knew what a troll was I don't think he could explain that to you.

Conservatism as a Mental Illness
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...mental-illness
In his award-winning 2005 book, Dr. James Whitney Hicks discusses 50 signs of mental illness including denial, delusion, hallucination, disordered thinking, anger, anti-social behavior, sexual preoccupation, grandiosity, general oddness, and paranoia.

[Apeus]

LMFAO

how much of a sniveling bleeding heart do you have to be to think he isn't a communist?

LMFAO @ thinking he is going to say "I'm a communist".

I know that you are stuck in elementary school and remember what your 3rd grade liberal teacher told you was the definition of communism.

Meanwhile, you probably think Venezuela is extremely capitalist.

LMFAO

The definition of Communism is pretty well known.

You're the one who can't seem to grasp it and prefer making up your own ignorant, and inaccurate definitions.


And no, why the **** would I think that Venezuela is "extremely capitalist?

It's socialist/totalitarian.


LMFAO @ you thinking you're a bigger free-market supporter than I am.

[JB05]

LMFAO

how much of a sniveling bleeding heart do you have to be to think he isn't a communist?

LMFAO @ thinking he is going to say "I'm a communist".

I know that you are stuck in elementary school and remember what your 3rd grade liberal teacher told you was the definition of communism.

Meanwhile, you probably think Venezuela is extremely capitalist.

LMFAO

So when did he say he was going to nationalize all private property in the United States again? Sorry, I must have missed it

[ScubaStevo]

So when did he say he was going to nationalize all private property in the United States again? Sorry, I must have missed it

When he stated there is a problem with a certain percentage of people owning a certain percentage of something.

"B B B buT Scuba - taxing wealth isn't the same thing as communism! I wiki'd the definition of communism there dictionary is king! He is a far-right capitalist!!!1"

LMFAO

I know that you nanny state liberals will duck and dive to get out of admitting a communist is a communist.

To liberals communism simply doesn't exist - it isn't PC

LMFAO

[Apeus]

When he stated there is a problem with a certain percentage of people owning a certain percentage of something.

"B B B buT Scuba - taxing wealth isn't the same thing as communism! I wiki'd the definition of communism there dictionary is king! He is a far-right capitalist!!!1"

LMFAO

I know that you nanny state liberals will duck and dive to get out of admitting a communist is a communist.

To liberals communism simply doesn't exist - it isn't PC

LMFAO

Troll harder.

I don't know why I bother.

[JB05]

When he stated there is a problem with a certain percentage of people owning a certain percentage of something.

"B B B buT Scuba - taxing wealth isn't the same thing as communism! I wiki'd the definition of communism there dictionary is king! He is a far-right capitalist!!!1"

LMFAO

I know that you nanny state liberals will duck and dive to get out of admitting a communist is a communist.

To liberals communism simply doesn't exist - it isn't PC

LMFAO

So taxes = state controlled ownership of all industries and the total abolition of all private property

I guess that makes every politician ever a communist then, since they've all imposed or maintained some sort of tax. Yes, there were even taxes when Regan (:gasp was President!

The mental gymnastics you're going through to pin the "bad" word of communist on Sanders is astounding. I never knew labels were so important to you.

[ScubaStevo]

So taxes = state controlled ownership of all industries and the total abolition of all private property

I guess that makes every politician ever a communist then, since they've all imposed or maintained some sort of tax. Yes, there were even taxes when Regan (:gasp was President!

The mental gymnastics you're going through to pin the "bad" word of communist on Sanders is astounding. I never knew labels were so important to you.

LMFAO

Taxes =/= communism

Excessive taxing one class to redistribute it to another does.

Got it?

LMFAO

[trailwarrior]

When he stated there is a problem with a certain percentage of people owning a certain percentage of something.

"B B B buT Scuba - taxing wealth isn't the same thing as communism! I wiki'd the definition of communism there dictionary is king! He is a far-right capitalist!!!1"

I understand this is beyond your cognitive capacity, but Bernie finds company in the country's founding fathers...


"The Remissness of our People in Paying Taxes is highly blameable; the Unwillingness to pay them is still more so. I see, in some Resolutions of Town Meetings, a Remonstrance against giving Congress a Power to take, as they call it, the People's Money out of their Pockets, tho' only to pay the Interest and Principal of Debts duly contracted. They seem to mistake the Point. Money, justly due from the People, is their Creditors' Money, and no longer the Money of the People, who, if they withold it, should be compell'd to pay by some Law." - Benjamin Franklin

"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." - Thomas Jefferson

"All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it." - Benjamin Franklin

"Those seeking profits, were they given total freedom, would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source of corruption in government. No other depositories of power have ever yet been found, which did not end in converting to their own profit the earnings of those committed to their charge ... I am not among those who fear the people. They, and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom. ... We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. ... [Otherwise], as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, ... and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes; have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow sufferers." Thomas Jefferson

[ScubaStevo]

I understand this is beyond your cognitive capacity, but Bernie finds company in the country's founding fathers...


"The Remissness of our People in Paying Taxes is highly blameable; the Unwillingness to pay them is still more so. I see, in some Resolutions of Town Meetings, a Remonstrance against giving Congress a Power to take, as they call it, the People's Money out of their Pockets, tho' only to pay the Interest and Principal of Debts duly contracted. They seem to mistake the Point. Money, justly due from the People, is their Creditors' Money, and no longer the Money of the People, who, if they withold it, should be compell'd to pay by some Law." - Benjamin Franklin

"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." - Thomas Jefferson

"All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it." - Benjamin Franklin

Cliffs

[OPGenesis]

LMFAO @ communism.

Sounds like a commie to me.

[JB05]

Taxes =/= communism

Excessive taxing one class to redistribute it to another does.

Got it?

LMFAO

That's not what communism is, communism is the state ownership of all means of production and the abolition of all private property. Meaning the government owns all the land, all the buildings, all the factories, and bureaucrats decide what gets produced and when and for how much.

But to even play your game, transfer payments have been happening since the Great Depression. Does that make every Republican president since then a communist since they didn't immediately abolish all unemployment insurance, food stamps, housing assistance, social security, etc?

LMFAO

[nutsy54]

Cliffs

He quoted a lot of statements which AREN'T included in the Constitution, but claimed they should be the basis for our Federal government anyway...

[ScubaStevo]

LMFAO

That's not what communism is, communism is the state ownership of all means of production and the abolition of all private property. Meaning the government owns all the land, all the buildings, all the factories, and bureaucrats decide what gets produced and when and for how much.

But to even play your game, transfer payments have been happening since the Great Depression. Does that make every Republican president since then a communist since they didn't immediately abolish all unemployment insurance, food stamps, housing assistance, social security, etc?

LMFAO

Whatever you have to do to rationalize not being a commie, brah.

LMFAO

[tnel00]

I understand this is beyond your cognitive capacity, but Bernie finds company in the country's founding fathers...


"The Remissness of our People in Paying Taxes is highly blameable; the Unwillingness to pay them is still more so. I see, in some Resolutions of Town Meetings, a Remonstrance against giving Congress a Power to take, as they call it, the People's Money out of their Pockets, tho' only to pay the Interest and Principal of Debts duly contracted. They seem to mistake the Point. Money, justly due from the People, is their Creditors' Money, and no longer the Money of the People, who, if they withold it, should be compell'd to pay by some Law." - Benjamin Franklin

"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." - Thomas Jefferson

"All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it." - Benjamin Franklin

"Those seeking profits, were they given total freedom, would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source of corruption in government. No other depositories of power have ever yet been found, which did not end in converting to their own profit the earnings of those committed to their charge ... I am not among those who fear the people. They, and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom. ... We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. ... [Otherwise], as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, ... and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes; have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow sufferers." Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson was not in favor of socialist Government policies - http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011...n-a-socialist/

Franklin would definitely be considered more socialist in nature than Jefferson. Franklin believed that property was a social construct created by Government while Jefferson believed that property was a natural right. But to compare Franklin's political opinions to that of Bernie Sanders is very disingenuous.

[righteousreason]

Would be interested to hear from forum liberals on how, if they are voting for a communist, they are not communists themselves?

and thus criminally culpable

[trailwarrior]

Jefferson was not in favor of socialist Government policies

Jefferson would certainly not favor Rothbard's fascism -
http://www.businessinsider.com/expos...thbard-2011-10

[tnel00]

Jefferson would certainly not favor Rothbard's fascism -
http://www.businessinsider.com/expos...thbard-2011-10

That guys "blogs" are pure garbage. And the article you posted has nothing to do with fascism.

Believing any libertarian's ideals align with achieving autarky is just plain ignorance.