People still study CS instead of IT/CIS?

[Ace Thedics]

Good luck with all that useless math.

Degree's worthless unless you plan on making robots.

[MnB91]

CS is for developers/programmers

IT/CIS is for network/system admins

u cant have one without the other

[Ace Thedics]

CS is for developers/programmers..

IT/CIS is for network/system admins..

I work in infosec and do codewriting/malware reverse engineering and a plethora of other ****. Studied IT/CIS.

I will dev tools or program when I find it necessary.

Just saying - I went to school with neckbeards that huddled in a room all weekend trying to hammer out physics/calc, etc, yet I'm doing the same thing they do.

[WorkHardK]

The **** is CIS?

[dysenterygary]

I work in infosec and do codewriting/malware reverse engineering and a plethora of other ****. Studied IT/CIS.

I will dev tools or program when I find it necessary.

not sure what "codewriting/malware reverse engineering" means but if you don't have a solid foundation in CS (Architecture, Operating Systems etc.) you're not doing **** beyond running scans CS grads programmed.

[Ace Thedics]

The **** is CIS?

comfortable in skin

[Luc1fer]

CS stands strong on a resume.

[Fang2]

idk why you have to know calculus on cs

[Ace Thedics]

not sure what "codewriting/malware reverse engineering" means

might as well stop there. not sure what you mean by running scans either.

And I do have a pretty solid understanding of OS architecture/internals as it's a fundamental req for dealing with malware or malicious code


Just saying. If you're a CS major having a hard time with the degree switch to IT/CIS.

Guess what - the salary is just as good (in some cases better too).

[SoftwareBrah]

- Study CS
- Do well in school and learn what you're supposed to
- Go work for a big tech company and start making 100k out of school, they're literally all hiring

yeah who would want to do that

[Ace Thedics]

- Study CS
- Do well in school and learn what you're supposed to
- Go work for a big tech company and start making 100k out of school, they're literally all hiring

yeah who would want to do that

I did all of that too except for CS (and only had a 4.5 month internship)

[cheesecake93]

The above post is a 100% complete lie

and sorry a CS degree was to difficult OP, keep rationalizing your failures lmao

[Ace Thedics]

The above post is a 100% complete lie

and sorry a CS degree was to difficult OP, keep rationalizing your failures lmao

Honestly never even tried it

[jasonpullar]

It brah checking in

Fukin lol I now manage IT and software developers and not a single cs degree was had by me

[Luc1fer]

It brah checking in

Fukin lol I now manage IT and software developers and not a single cs degree was had by me

You sound awfully bitter for some reason.

[jasonpullar]

Not in the least I just laugh every day there is a cs master race thread

When in reality anybody can be better than anyone if the put there mind to it misc seems to think cs is the Golden ticket to life when it really isn't it might open some doors but it's what you do when the door is open that defines it

On mobile sorry for grammar

[Ace Thedics]

It brah checking in

Fukin lol I now manage IT and software developers and not a single cs degree was had by me

Yeah buddy.

****'s been cake so far.

Not in the least I just laugh every day there is a cs master race thread

When in reality anybody can be better than anyone if the put there mind to it misc seems to think cs is the Golden ticket to life when it really isn't it might open some doors but it's what you do when the door is open that defines it

And I agree. I see the same wannabe masterrace crap IRL from CS folks as I see here on the misc. Reality is, lots of CS guys end up working on switches in closets as well lol.

[FrazettaSilke]

CS brah checking in

brb multiple offers right out of college
brb 2 cars
brb no debt
brb 3 room apartment
brb doing web design/development at the same time
brb brb

[Luc1fer]

Not in the least I just laugh every day there is a cs master race thread

When in reality anybody can be better than anyone if the put there mind to it misc seems to think cs is the Golden ticket to life when it really isn't it might open some doors but it's what you do when the door is open that defines it

On mobile sorry for grammar

Right, there's no golden ticket - you just need to get in the door. After a few years of experience in a field, nobody gives a fcuk about your degree anymore. I'm just saying that CS is often perceived as higher value to get in the door - I'm not claiming that's right or wrong. I know absolute morons who graduated CS and can't even program.

[dysenterygary]

might as well stop there. not sure what you mean by running scans either.

And I do have a pretty solid understanding of OS architecture/internals as it's a fundamental req for dealing with malware or malicious code


Just saying. If you're a CS major having a hard time with the degree switch to IT/CIS.

Guess what - the salary is just as good (in some cases better too).

basically what you're saying is, if you can't manage calculus, switch to a lesser degree. which is a real shame because "computer science" is the gold standard for everything in the industry, especially any security work that involves malware analysis and reverse engineering.

[Ace Thedics]

basically what you're saying is, if you can't manage calculus, switch to a lesser degree. which is a real shame because "computer science" is the gold standard for everything in the industry, especially any security work that involves malware analysis and reverse engineering.

There is no calculus involved in malware analysis. Don't know wtf you're talking about.

The closest you'll get to anything remotely complex is figuring out how many times you need to iterate through something or if you're doing some basic bitwise operations

[basshead444]

I sat in a few CS classes out of boredom, and learned more coding on my own than sitting in class an entire semester. I ended up getting my electrical engineering degree, but learning code made the whole thing a lot easier.

[Ace Thedics]

I sat in a few CS classes out of boredom, and learned more coding on my own than sitting in class an entire semester. I ended up getting my electrical engineering degree, but learning code made the whole thing a lot easier.

Yeah I think people should figure out what they want to do and build their path around that.

A lot of people think they need to become physics/calc experts to work in the tech sector.

B.S

[dysenterygary]

There is no calculus involved in malware analysis. Don't know wtf you're talking about.

The closest you'll get to anything remotely complex is figuring out how many times you need to iterate through something or if you're doing some basic bitwise operations

notsheriff....

I didn't say there was. however, it's required for the degree which is sought after more than any other for such work. and to pursue a lesser degree simply because calculus and other math is too difficult (your OP) isn't a good idea.

[Ace Thedics]

notsheriff....

I didn't say there was. however, it's required for the degree which is sought after more than any other for such work. and to pursue a lesser degree simply because calculus and other math is too difficult (your OP) isn't a good idea.

Honestly, that might have been the case 5-10 years ago but not now.

I've been doing this for years now, have looked at plenty of resumes, done lots of networking. I don't even look at that degree type (neither do my peers) so long as you can prove you know wtf you're doing.

I know a poli sci major who was a malware analyst/researcher for a competing firm and ended up working with us. Nobody gave a crap about his degree.

At the end of the day, if you can do the work, nobody really cares anymore about the underlying degree. Lots of the smart folks do this stuff as a hobby and ace through school without a hiccup due to them taking a cake degree.

[whitecollarcrim]

in on this;

gonna get a MS in IT/CIS to get into dat project management for software/dev teams.

although just the CS degree itself kind of guarantees you'll be 'okay' for life.

on a flip note how hard is it to get into infosec? like in an honest way.
I feel like it's interesting and would be worthwile to learn but don't want to be shat on.

[Bla125]

LOL at people with degrees of any kind.

BRB no degree and work with mainframe.

Could get a masters in cs and not have it help at all with my job.

[Ace Thedics]

BRB no degree and work with mainframe.

sorry to hear

[dysenterygary]

Honestly, that might have been the case 5-10 years ago but not now.

I've been doing this for years now, have looked at plenty of resumes, done lots of networking. I don't even look at that degree type (neither do my peers) so long as you can prove you know wtf you're doing.

I know a poli sci major who was a malware analyst/researcher for a competing firm and ended up working with us. Nobody gave a crap about his degree.

At the end of the day, if you can do the work, nobody really cares anymore about the underlying degree. Lots of the smart folks do this stuff as a hobby and ace through school without a hiccup due to them taking a cake degree.

agreed. degrees are pretty much for landing that first job.

[Bla125]

sorry to hear

I only work 3 days a week. No need to be sorry <3