another school shooting

[1devil]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/13/us/col...ing/index.html

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/po...olorado-school

[StabMastaArson]

"But, but, CO just passed gun control! How can this be possible?!?"













New gun-grab attempt in 5, 4, 3, 2...

[YourDoneNow]

America worships violence and warfare and some kid decides to shoot up a school or shoot someone big surprise

[tsbalr120]

Legalize pot and look what happens


notsrs

[Aameiel]

in before ct's

[VTheKing]

America worships violence and warfare and some kid decides to shoot up a school or shoot someone big surprise

no way it was THE WEED that did it

[Mitch1313]

and here we go again....
WE NEED GUN CONTROL WAHHHHHHH WAHHHHH

lol.... ****ing ******* whiney liberals.

[Mugsysiegel]

Now they'll try to ban shotguns oh lawdy.

[CLEAN_SET_OF_10]

Ban schools

[GermanBB]

ban social interaction. let's turn humans into veal.. halfway there with the internet already

[otisthebat]

but WHAIT!!!

dey banned high capacity magerzines.

[NiceBoat]

I just hope the NRA doesn't start with that armed teacher BS again.

What better way to indoctrinate youth into turning America into a state where they can take guns away than to get them used to having armed guards around them at all times.

Even if it worked, people will shift targets from schools, to petting zoos or to other events.

I honestly think we need to suck these events up as inevitable with a large population and legal guns, its bound to happen, even with the best security around, crazy people with guns will still manage to use them. A gun ban wouldn't work, and is stupid on top of that. We just need to give it less attention, as horrible as it is(because at least some of the shooters thrive on the lime light) and start teaching students how to react to possible shootings so as to minimize the damage from a crazed shooter.

Banning guns isn't the answer and armed teachers in schools will likely have even more disastrous repercussions than the school shootings than we have.

[LukeLissen]

This is a non-event that does not affect us in any way other than the fact that the corrupt mainstream media is using this for fearmongering political purposes. They want to fearmonger naive moms and dads and students and other naive citizens into supporting gun rights infringements. This is a growing norm for them, so you must be aware of it and expose it.

Shootings happen here and all over the world many times a day. What makes this one person injured and one dead by suicide so significant to any of your lives?

The firearm death rate in this country is half what it was just twenty years ago, but the MSM wont be telling you that today on CN will they?

The MSM is using it and other events like it for political fearmongering propaganda purposes against you and that is the only reason this event is significant to all of you except those who were affected firsthand by being there.

[tsbalr120]

I just hope the NRA doesn't start with that armed teacher BS again.

What better way to indoctrinate youth into turning America into a state where they can take guns away than to get them used to having armed guards around them at all times.

Even if it worked, people will shift targets from schools, to petting zoos or to other events.

I honestly think we need to suck these events up as inevitable with a large population and legal guns, its bound to happen, even with the best security around, crazy people with guns will still manage to use them. A gun ban wouldn't work, and is stupid on top of that. We just need to give it less attention, as horrible as it is(because at least some of the shooters thrive on the lime light) and start teaching students how to react to possible shootings so as to minimize the damage from a crazed shooter.

Banning guns isn't the answer and armed teachers in schools will likely have even more disastrous repercussions than the school shootings than we have.

I don't think it's as much making teachers armed guards too, as much as letting legal adults carry as they could anywhere if they want to.

[otisthebat]

armed teachers in schools will likely have even more disastrous repercussions than the school shootings than we have.

please elaborate.

remember that we have legally armed people walking among us every day and these disastrous repercussions that you speak of, never happen.

[flairon]

close the schools, they all suck anyway. Let everyone educated their own little unique snowflake at home

[NiceBoat]

please elaborate.

remember that we have armed people walking among us every day and these disastrous repercussions that you speak of, never happen.

Not all teachers are, but some are. Students could take the gun, or the teacher could be a dbag and wave it in front of the kids, it also gives an extra intimidation factor to teachers and turns them from the role of the ideal mentor to that of a guard. Furthermore teachers are not trained like cops, to keep their cool in frustrating situations. Most teachers do, and there are a lot of good teachers but you hear reports of teachers getting enraged at students, who likely deserve it to some extent getting beaten up by teachers. The teachers get fired now, but if they get enraged and have a gun... that turns it into a tragedy. It also turns the teachers who are armed into potential targets if the shooter knows, and it makes for more collateral damage. Instead of just a shooter chasing targets now you have students possibly getting hit in the crossfire by their teachers.

I think to minimize deaths children should be prepped to react to these situations so they don't panic and group together making them easier targets.

I think having armed teachers would be disastrous, maybe not as much as shooters, I am no prophet after all, but it isn't some sort of foolproof method to dealing with these shootings like the NRA makes them out to be.

[otisthebat]

Students could take the gun,

the students will never know the teacher is armed. that's why its called concealed carry.

or the teacher could be a dbag and wave it in front of the kids,

please dont be ridiculous. find me an example of a concealed handgun carrier doing that. ever.

it also gives an extra intimidation factor to teachers and turns them from the role of the ideal mentor to that of a guard.

right, because i feel like a guard when im walking around town instead of playing the role of a pedestrian.

Furthermore teachers are not trained like cops, to keep their cool in frustrating situations.

FYI, i am not trained like a cop. yet i am allowed to carry my weapon in public and among children. why does that change when i step foot onto a school campus? also, i shoot about 500 rounds a month. police officers are only required to shoot twice a year. also, you seem to think that cops are tactically trained. you are confusing swat team officers with beat cops.

you hear reports of teachers getting enraged at students, who likely deserve it to some extent getting beaten up by teachers. The teachers get fired now, but if they get enraged and have a gun... that turns it into a tragedy.

you hear reports of people getting enraged at other people, who likely deserve it to some extent getting beaten up by people. the people get assault charges now, but if they get enraged and have a gun... that turns into a tragedy. yet i am still allowed to carry my weapon in public.

It also turns the teachers who are armed into potential targets if the shooter knows, and it makes for more collateral damage. Instead of just a shooter chasing targets now you have students possibly getting hit in the crossfire by their teachers.

how is the shooter going to know? the teacher is CONCEALED carrying. and you're right. its much better for the teacher to be armed with NOTHING instead of a gun. because if the teacher had a gun, he would have a chance at defending himself and his students instead of being a defenseless fish in a barrel, which is MUCH better.

I think to minimize deaths children should be prepped to react to these situations so they don't panic and group together making them easier targets.

right because when faced with imminent death, children behave rationally and follow instructions to a T.

[NiceBoat]

the students will never know the teacher is armed. that's why its called concealed carry.

A lot of the NRA response was more an open carry situation. This doesn't apply to concealed carry unless the teacher brandishes it, some might but I digress.

please dont be ridiculous. find me an example of a concealed handgun carrier doing that. ever.

There is a different mentality for a teacher in the role of teacher. Some are bad and have power trips, this would only exacerbate it.

right, because i feel like a guard when im walking around town instead of playing the role of a pedestrian.

See the above point, teachers have different mentalities, and different roles.

FYI, i am not trained like a cop. yet i am allowed to carry my weapon in public and among children. why does that change when i step foot onto a school campus? also, i shoot about 500 rounds a month. police officers are only required to shoot twice a year. also, you seem to think that cops are tactically trained. you are confusing swat team officers with beat cops.

Cops aren't tactically trained, but they are usually trained to, if they are uniformed and out and about on how to react to specific stressful situations. Teachers are not, and you don't encounter stressful situations like a teacher or a cop does. I respect most everybody's right to keep and own a firearm. I just think having teachers bring them into schools would be a bad situation in the making.

I certainly think if a teacher was to be allowed to bring one into a school there should be some training requirements.

you hear reports of people getting enraged at other people, who likely deserve it to some extent getting beaten up by people. the people get assault charges now, but if they get enraged and have a gun... that turns into a tragedy. yet i am still allowed to carry my weapon in public.

It is a difference in responsibility bud. Students shouldn't be potentially afraid to go into school day to day from those in charge. I think a child could get over having a teacher beat them, I don't think a child could get over being shot by a teacher. Remember, the nature of the world has parents teaching children to distrust strangers and to trust teachers.

how is the shooter going to know? the teacher is CONCEALED carrying. and you're right. its much better for the teacher to be armed with NOTHING instead of a gun. because if the teacher had a gun, he would have a chance at defending himself and his students instead of being a defenseless fish in a barrel, which is MUCH better.

I think neither situation are optimal. I don't think there is an optimal answer to this question. However I think there are a lot more potential negatives to armed teachers than positive.

right because when faced with imminent death, children behave rationally and follow instructions to a T.

No they don't, but having some training on how to react to it would save lives. Not every life, I admit, but I think it is a far better solution to armed teachers.

Also the issue with concealed carry, when I was in high school a few teachers would bring alcohol into school and drink it. Naturally they were not supposed to, and so they hid it, they concealed it, however there were something like 300-500 students in school and only maybe a handful of them didn't know about it. Students deal with teachers every day. All it takes is one student to notice the concealed weapon for all the students to know about it. All it takes is one lax moment from the teacher for a student to potentially attain the firearm and then its not only the teacher's life and career that are ruined but the student would also face the consequences. I am not saying it would happen all the time, or would be common, but even with how uncommon it might be, it would still be all too common.

If a few teachers abused or misused their right to carry a firearm in a school the whole thing would be over quick, and likely with other anti-second amendment backlash.

[1devil]

way to stay classy people. I love all the concern expressed for the victims..........it's touching.

[zakatak333]

Not all teachers are, but some are. Students could take the gun,

moot point, student can bring gun from home

but just to be safe, teachers will be trained in personal space awareness and martial arts

also, we need to establish a student-teacher trust/respect

or the teacher could be a dbag and wave it in front of the kids, it also gives an extra intimidation factor to teachers and turns them from the role of the ideal mentor to that of a guard. Furthermore teachers are not trained like cops, to keep their cool in frustrating situations. Most teachers do, and there are a lot of good teachers but you hear reports of teachers getting enraged at students, who likely deserve it to some extent getting beaten up by teachers. The teachers get fired now, but if they get enraged and have a gun... that turns it into a tragedy.

ban bad teachers(serious)

people who are educating the future generations should be RESPONSIBLE and as such the carrying of a firearm will not be a problem for them

we need a gun friendly society and gun friendly classrooms, we need students and teachers who aren't phased by the presence of open carrying staff and just proceed with regular classroom demeanor

It also turns the teachers who are armed into potential targets if the shooter knows, and it makes for more collateral damage.

like the unarmed teacher who was targeted today?

Instead of just a shooter chasing targets now you have students possibly getting hit in the crossfire by their teachers.

hence only the teachers who pass the tactical training course and have moderate proficiency at the range will be carrying

I think to minimize deaths children should be prepped to react to these situations so they don't panic and group together making them easier targets.

they will get a student version of the tactical training course

[zakatak333]

way to stay classy people. I love all the concern expressed for the victims..........it's touching.

so we should all focus our efforts on sobbing rather than taking measures to prevent future tragedy?

there are enough weepers already, and just because someone doesn't flamboyantly express mournful feelings doesn't mean that person doesn't realize the tragic nature of the occurrence

[illriginalized]

Dood... Colorado must be one depressing ass state.

[7rmr]

Does every school shooting in the states really need a separate thread? There should just be one sticky for you all to post in. At this point they are barely even news anymore, which is really sad.

[1devil]

so we should all focus our efforts on sobbing rather than taking measures to prevent future tragedy?

there are enough weepers already, and just because someone doesn't flamboyantly express mournful feelings doesn't mean that person doesn't realize the tragic nature of the occurrence

Eh who suggested sobbing? Maybe a an expression of empathy would be nice, or not...after all empathy is for pussies. Anyway I'm not at all surpried by the crass nature of many of the responses.

[otisthebat]

A lot of the NRA response was more an open carry situation. This doesn't apply to concealed carry unless the teacher brandishes it, some might but I digress.

no, it was not. the NRA was advocating armed guards in schools and teachers who have CHLs be allowed to carry their weapon at school.

There is a different mentality for a teacher in the role of teacher. Some are bad and have power trips, this would only exacerbate it.

in other words, you cant provide an example of that ever happening.

See the above point, teachers have different mentalities, and different roles.

yes, and as long as the teacher can teach effectively, there is nothing wrong with him/her feeling as a protector of his/her students.

Cops aren't tactically trained, but they are usually trained to, if they are uniformed and out and about on how to react to specific stressful situations. Teachers are not, and you don't encounter stressful situations like a teacher or a cop does. I respect most everybody's right to keep and own a firearm. I just think having teachers bring them into schools would be a bad situation in the making.

so the better plan is to have them be completely defenseless then. not even giving them a shred of ability to defend their students. all they can do is become bullet sponges and dive in front of their students. you also have yet to present a valid argument as to why teachers who are allowed to carry everywhere else, would be a bad situation when they step onto school grounds. also, i have a very stressful job. i am in more stressful situations than 99% of the population. i handle stress pretty well.

I certainly think if a teacher was to be allowed to bring one into a school there should be some training requirements.

there shouldnt have to be, but you know there would be.

It is a difference in responsibility bud. Students shouldn't be potentially afraid to go into school day to day from those in charge. I think a child could get over having a teacher beat them, I don't think a child could get over being shot by a teacher. Remember, the nature of the world has parents teaching children to distrust strangers and to trust teachers.

please submit evidence that concealed carry permit holders just lose it and shoot someone because they are angry. here's a tip, you wont find any. the situations that you are using for your arguments DO NOT EXIST and HAVE NEVER HAPPENED.

I think there are a lot more potential negatives to armed teachers than positive.

right, because the possibility for a teacher to lose it and shoot a student (which has NEVER happened) far outweighs the possibility of a school shooting (which happens all the damn time).

Also the issue with concealed carry, when I was in high school a few teachers would bring alcohol into school and drink it. Naturally they were not supposed to, and so they hid it, they concealed it, however there were something like 300-500 students in school and only maybe a handful of them didn't know about it. Students deal with teachers every day. All it takes is one student to notice the concealed weapon for all the students to know about it. All it takes is one lax moment from the teacher for a student to potentially attain the firearm and then its not only the teacher's life and career that are ruined but the student would also face the consequences. I am not saying it would happen all the time, or would be common, but even with how uncommon it might be, it would still be all too common.

If a few teachers abused or misused their right to carry a firearm in a school the whole thing would be over quick, and likely with other anti-second amendment backlash.

did the teachers carry the alcohol concealed on their person? did the teachers ever remove the alcohol from concealment on school grounds?

IT IS NOT THE SAME. your weapon IS NEVER away from you. it is always concealed on your body. you do not remove your weapon from the holster unless you intend to use it or until you are home and you are putting the weapon away.

your comparison is akin to a teacher drawing his weapon and random points during the day when he thinks no one is looking. there is no reason for that and it is not done.

[LukeLissen]

way to stay classy people. I love all the concern expressed for the victims..........it's touching.

There was one victim who was wounded by the shooter.

Now tell us exactly why you have concern for that person or why any of us should have concern for that person over any of the thousands of people in this country affected by all sorts of injuries and big problems and deaths that have occurred this same day.











EDIT- Nevermind, you dont even need to answer. I see from a quick check of your posting history that you have a strong gun rights infringement agenda just like the mainstream media does, so your only true concern over this, just like the MSM, is how you can turn these sorts of events into propaganda to further your agenda.

[Mulyark]

CNN paid that stupid kid to go in and shoot and he only got 3 people, including himself? Now how they gonna get their money back?

[MyLastSerenade]

Now just think of all the problems we could solve if we had a good parenting out break.

[datderecreatine]

Some crazy ****. Hope that never happens in my city