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    More pump equals more hypertrophy?

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    Yes. Look at girls quads that stay on the stationary bike, always got a nice sweep
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    100 reps of bicep curls will give you a greater pump than 12 reps of bicep curls. Will it make your arms grow any more? No
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    Originally Posted by doughnut91 View Post
    100 reps of bicep curls will give you a greater pump than 12 reps of bicep curls. Will it make your arms grow any more? No
    No it does not give me greater pump. 10-12 reps give me great pump.
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    Originally Posted by jnbrk View Post
    No it does not give me greater pump. 10-12 reps give me great pump.
    it was a joke *******
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    Originally Posted by dhimaan997 View Post
    it was a joke *******
    what if it wasn't though?
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    Originally Posted by GeneralSerpant View Post
    what if it wasn't though?
    It was
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    Originally Posted by doughnut91 View Post
    It was
    strong sarcasm.

    whatever, any more opinions?
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    pump.
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    bump. still no one with a reasonable point.
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    more pump means more blood is flowing to your muscles. They'll only grow if you feed them with real food.
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    Originally Posted by Jasonk282 View Post
    more pump means more blood is flowing to your muscles. They'll only grow if you feed them with real food.
    Define real food. Lol jk

    I know my nutrition is more important I'm asking workout-wise, more pump = more hypertrophy? Consider I'm already on a caloric surplus.
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    Originally Posted by jnbrk View Post
    Define real food. Lol jk

    I know my nutrition is more important I'm asking workout-wise, more pump = more hypertrophy? Consider I'm already on a caloric surplus.
    Steak, chicken,turkey, tilapia, salmon, rice, potatoes, oats, pasta, whole bread etc

    Pump is good, & it actually does help muscle growth but there s much more to it than just pump like time under tension for example
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    Originally Posted by napa1m View Post
    Steak, chicken,turkey, tilapia, salmon, rice, potatoes, oats, pasta, whole bread etc

    Pump is good, & it actually does help muscle growth but there s much more to it than just pump like time under tension for example
    What is time under tension? What are the other things? teach me master.
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    The pump is more to do with how much you're still adapting to an exercise, or how much warm-up your workout requires. The more familiar you get with a particular exercise as a part of a routine, the less intense of a pump you'll get. Alternatively, the more you progress with an exercise, the more your muscles need a warm-up from inactivity. A pump will be produced for either of these reasons, but it has nothing to do with direct hypertrophy.
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    No you gotta tear the muscle fibers, then they grow and repair bigger. The pump is just blood in the muscle, nothing to do with tearing.
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    No, but in on broscience thread.
    The more I eat and the heavier I train - the better my 'genetics' get.

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    Originally Posted by Kcabo View Post
    No, but in on broscience thread.
    Originally Posted by GeneralSerpant View Post
    The pump is more to do with how much you're still adapting to an exercise, or how much warm-up your workout requires. The more familiar you get with a particular exercise as a part of a routine, the less intense of a pump you'll get. Alternatively, the more you progress with an exercise, the more your muscles need a warm-up from inactivity. A pump will be produced for either of these reasons, but it has nothing to do with direct hypertrophy.
    Originally Posted by jutte13 View Post
    No you gotta tear the muscle fibers, then they grow and repair bigger. The pump is just blood in the muscle, nothing to do with tearing.
    So how to tear the muscle? What promotes hypertrophy DIRECTLY?
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    Nobody knows the reasons for what you're asking OP. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many different answers, with so many different methods, for so many different people.
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    Originally Posted by Mattash2g View Post
    Nobody knows the reasons for what you're asking OP. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many different answers, with so many different methods, for so many different people.
    TL;DR Find what works best for you. There is no one size fits all
    There is no exact science behind bodybuilding
    So feeling the muscle burn, going for the pump above all might be working for me as long as I increase the weights through time?
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    Originally Posted by jnbrk View Post
    So how to tear the muscle? What promotes hypertrophy DIRECTLY?
    How heavy you lift, and for how long.
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    pump is blood flow. Hypertrophy isnt caused by blood flow, its caused by the progressive tear down and rebuilding of muscle fiber. You can do arm circles and clench your fist over and over again and get a good pump in your arms, wont grow a damn thing.
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    Originally Posted by jnbrk View Post
    What promotes hypertrophy DIRECTLY?
    3 factors - tension, fatigue & total workload all need to be present in decent amounts.
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    Originally Posted by doughnut91 View Post
    100 reps of bicep curls will give you a greater pump than 12 reps of bicep curls. Will it make your arms grow any more? No
    Say that to tom platz..
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    Originally Posted by jnbrk View Post
    pump.
    I laughed at this one.

    No, more pump doesn't equal more hypertrophy. 8-12 reps = hypertrophy. The pump is achieved when you've sufficiently activated and fatigued a particular set of muscles and in doing so lots of blood gets diverged towards them. It's easier to get a pump with lower weight because you don't need big groups of muscle to generate the necessary force to lift. I doubt many get a good pump from squats and bet most get a good pump from bicep curls. Proper weight and perfect form in the 8-12 rep range should generate a good pump. If you are thinking more pump = more fatigue = more hypertrophy, no. All the research says that in a nutshell- 6< for strength and power, 8-12 for hypertrophy, 12 + for endurance.
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    Originally Posted by gomez26 View Post
    3 factors - tension, fatigue & total workload all need to be present in decent amounts.
    Thanks. Can you please define tension fatigue and total workload shortly please?
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    Originally Posted by Pumpsicle View Post
    I laughed at this one.

    No, more pump doesn't equal more hypertrophy. 8-12 reps = hypertrophy. The pump is achieved when you've sufficiently activated and fatigued a particular set of muscles and in doing so lots of blood gets diverged towards them. It's easier to get a pump with lower weight because you don't need big groups of muscle to generate the necessary force to lift. I doubt many get a good pump from squats and bet most get a good pump from bicep curls. Proper weight and perfect form in the 8-12 rep range should generate a good pump. If you are thinking more pump = more fatigue = more hypertrophy, no. All the research says that in a nutshell- 6< for strength and power, 8-12 for hypertrophy, 12 + for endurance.
    ^ This. Overtraining is real. Stimulate the muscle, do your 3-4 sets of 8-12 reps, get your pump, and move on to the next exercise. 300 sets of bicep curls won't get you 22 inch guns. Steady breakdown of the muscle, adequate time to rebuild, eat and repeat. This is how you grow.
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    Originally Posted by jnbrk View Post
    Thanks. Can you please define tension fatigue and total workload shortly please?
    tension is weight used
    total workload is weight x reps
    fatigue will be determined by how quickly you perform the workload.

    e.g. a decent basic approach is 3 sets of 8 reps using a 10 rep max with 60 sec rest between sets. you should be close to maxing out by the final set.
    10 rep max determines the tension (which will be around 75% of 1 rep max tho this varies between ppl).
    24 reps x weight is total workload.
    the fatigue factor will be determined by rest between sets.

    you can imagine there will be trade-off between these factors, increase one too high & the others will suffer. you want to optimize the total effect so each will be in a moderate range.
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    Originally Posted by gomez26 View Post
    tension is weight used
    total workload is weight x reps
    fatigue will be determined by how quickly you perform the workload.

    e.g. a decent basic approach is 3 sets of 8 reps using a 10 rep max with 60 sec rest between sets. you should be close to maxing out by the final set.
    10 rep max determines the tension (which will be around 75% of 1 rep max tho this varies between ppl).
    24 reps x weight is total workload.
    the fatigue factor will be determined by rest between sets.

    you can imagine there will be trade-off between these factors, increase one too high & the others will suffer. you want to optimize the total effect so each will be in a moderate range.
    Thanks bud. Repped.

    I like doing 8-12 reps 3-4 sets that's not a problem. I guess the weight I lift is OK too, and I feel like doing lateral raises with 20 lbs dumbbells 12 reps give me better pump AND gains than doing 25 lbs dumbbells with 8 reps... I am applying this 20 lbs 12 reps amazing pump thing for like 1 month and my shoulders are EXPLODED... I was doing 25 lbs 8 reps before and delts were lagging... Why am I asking this was if there is even a better way to grow...

    I mean if I'm already in the 8-12 rep range, lifting barely, feeling the pain as FUARK at the 12th rep of 4th set could not be something wrong AS LONG AS fatigue is done AND I am going to increase the weight next few weeks, right?
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