Could taking protein powder with casein be better for hardgainers?

[jagsfan05]

I usually take 4 scoops of Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey Protein everyday. I spread the scoops out throughout the day. That's actually the only protein powder I have ever taken before. But for the first time I bought some protein powder with casein in it. I bought BSN Syntha 6 because it has casein in it as well along with still whey protein.

With all things being equal could I perhaps benefit more from a slow release protein aka casein as opposed to just the ON Gold Standard?That's what casein is, correct? Slow Release? If Casein and Slow Release Protein ARE NOT the same...would just a slow release protein be better for some than others?

I would still spread it out throughout the day with my intake of it. Just wondering if for some people it would help at all more than some and if I could tell any difference if I took the equivalent of 4 scoops of ON Gold Standard Whey Protein with this Syntha 6.

BSN Syntha 6 is advertised as a slow release formula more than say ON Gold Standard Whey Protein right? I didn't see anything advertised about it though on the label.

Thanks so much.

[Anthony21]

IMO there is no such thing as a hardgainer. The reason one doesn't gain is they don't understand the meaning of a "caloric surplus" or don't eat enough to gain. They think they're eating enough but you ask them there macros or caloric intake and they are clueless.

You're not going to benefit from one protein over the next. Protein is protein in the end. One brand may have slightly more calories i.e a mass gainer but you should be getting a sufficient amount of food.

Whether it's Syntha 6, ON, Dymatize, Gaspari or whatever brand you choose, it's not going to mean sh!t if you aren't taking in a sufficient amount of calories in order to gain steady weight.

[Diesel0022]

Protein is protein.

And there is no such thing as a hard gainer, just people who don't eat enough

[cjwav34]

IMO there is no such thing as a hardgainer. The reason one doesn't gain is they don't understand the meaning of a "caloric surplus" or don't eat enough to gain. They think thy're eating enough but you ask them there macros or caloric intake and they are clueless.

Your not going to benefit from one protein over the next. Protein is protein in the end. One brand may have slightly more calories i.e a mass gainer but you should be getting a sufficient amount of food.

Whether it's Syntha 6, ON, Dymatize, Gaspari or whatever brand you choose, it's not going to mean sh!t if you aren't taking in a sufficient amount of calories in order to gain steady weight.

This.

The term "hardgainer" makes me rage.

[Xyas]

Eat more. Make sure you're eating a caloric surplus by actually measuring how many calories you are eating a day. No such thing as a hard gainer.

[jagsfan05]

Ok well ignore the hardgainer part. Just basically wondering if casein or slow release formulas of protein will work better for some people more than others in some situations. Like if it could possibly work better than just the ON Gold Standard Protein formula.

[Diesel0022]

No, protein is protein.

Will drinking 8oz of water from a cup hydrate you better than drinking 8oz from a bottle?

[cjwav34]

Ok well ignore the hardgainer part. Just basically wondering if casein or slow release formulas of protein will work better for some people more than others in some situations. Like if it could possibly work better than just the ON Gold Standard Protein formula.

Your question as already been answered.

[koard31]

Ok well ignore the hardgainer part. Just basically wondering if casein or slow release formulas of protein will work better for some people more than others in some situations. Like if it could possibly work better than just the ON Gold Standard Protein formula.

You obviously only read part of what people wrote....

Your not going to benefit from one protein over the next. Protein is protein in the end. One brand may have slightly more calories i.e a mass gainer but you should be getting a sufficient amount of food.

[R1balla]

I usually take 4 scoops of Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey Protein everyday. I spread the scoops out throughout the day. That's actually the only protein powder I have ever taken before. But for the first time I bought some protein powder with casein in it. I bought BSN Syntha 6 because it has casein in it as well along with still whey protein.

With all things being equal could I perhaps benefit more from a slow release protein aka casein as opposed to just the ON Gold Standard?That's what casein is, correct? Slow Release? If Casein and Slow Release Protein ARE NOT the same...would just a slow release protein be better for some than others?

I would still spread it out throughout the day with my intake of it. Just wondering if for some people it would help at all more than some and if I could tell any difference if I took the equivalent of 4 scoops of ON Gold Standard Whey Protein with this Syntha 6.

BSN Syntha 6 is advertised as a slow release formula more than say ON Gold Standard Whey Protein right? I didn't see anything advertised about it though on the label.

Thanks so much.

just eat more man. idk why people cant grasp this concept. if you eat you will grow. write down all you eat during the day and look up the nutritional info online and see how much carbs/cals/fats/protein...etc you are getting.

as far as shakes, just take whey protein + ice cream, yogurt, ice, fruit, peanut butter, EVOO, milk

[sword_]

They help sure, but as mentioned you need to focus on caloric surplus and also one thing that wasn't mentioned, timing of the nutrients you put in your body. I primarily only use blended proteins personally, but I use them mostly for meal replacements but diet is the most important thing to consider, and I mean whole foods.

[My_Legacy]

Doesn't really matter...just use a protein you prefer. If you see yourself as a hard gainer, it really just means you're not eating enough to exceed the amount of energy that you expend per day. Start tracking your macronutrients using MyFitnessPal and make adjustments to them if necessary.

[TheTwiglet]

IMO there is no such thing as a hardgainer. The reason one doesn't gain is they don't understand the meaning of a "caloric surplus" or don't eat enough to gain. They think they're eating enough but you ask them there macros or caloric intake and they are clueless.

You're not going to benefit from one protein over the next. Protein is protein in the end. One brand may have slightly more calories i.e a mass gainer but you should be getting a sufficient amount of food.

Whether it's Syntha 6, ON, Dymatize, Gaspari or whatever brand you choose, it's not going to mean sh!t if you aren't taking in a sufficient amount of calories in order to gain steady weight.

4k cals a day. Lots of protein, lots of protein powder, lots of carbs, lots of carb powder. Plataued at 82kg and I'm 6 foot. How can there not be such a thing as a hard gainer? I eat pasta, rice, chicken, veggies, mince, kangaroo, phukking protein powder with 50g protein/220g carbs, drink 1L extra milk a day, add milk powder to everything, eat 9001 meals a day. I lift like there's no tomorrow. Sure, I've seen change, just not recently and not fast. Still a skinny phukk @ 82kg, 6', 14%bf.

No hard gainer my urethra.


Edit: fruit, natural yoghurt, pea n ham soup, your mum, etc

[dest0]

Stick to your macros, it takes time to grow, it doesn't work over night, I was 60KG and now 85KG.

All you need is commitment

4k cals a day. Lots of protein, lots of protein powder, lots of carbs, lots of carb powder. Plataued at 82kg and I'm 6 foot. How can there not be such a thing as a hard gainer? I eat pasta, rice, chicken, veggies, mince, kangaroo, phukking protein powder with 50g protein/220g carbs, drink 1L extra milk a day, add milk powder to everything, eat 9001 meals a day. I lift like there's no tomorrow. Sure, I've seen change, just not recently and not fast. Still a skinny phukk @ 82kg, 6', 14%bf.

No hard gainer my urethra.


Edit: fruit, natural yoghurt, pea n ham soup, your mum, etc

[Anthony21]

4k cals a day. Lots of protein, lots of protein powder, lots of carbs, lots of carb powder. Plataued at 82kg and I'm 6 foot. How can there not be such a thing as a hard gainer? I eat pasta, rice, chicken, veggies, mince, kangaroo, phukking protein powder with 50g protein/220g carbs, drink 1L extra milk a day, add milk powder to everything, eat 9001 meals a day. I lift like there's no tomorrow. Sure, I've seen change, just not recently and not fast. Still a skinny phukk @ 82kg, 6', 14%bf.

No hard gainer my urethra.


Edit: fruit, natural yoghurt, pea n ham soup, your mum, etc

I repeat IMO there is no such thing as a hardgainer. You weren't gaining on 4k a day? Guess what you do next? Bump up your calories and stop making excuses.

[BigBoLuke93]

I repeat IMO there is no such thing as a hardgainer. You weren't gaining on 4k a day? Guess what you do next? Bump up your calories and stop making excuses.

Bingo.

[Valhallabound86]

4k cals a day. Lots of protein, lots of protein powder, lots of carbs, lots of carb powder. Plataued at 82kg and I'm 6 foot. How can there not be such a thing as a hard gainer? I eat pasta, rice, chicken, veggies, mince, kangaroo, phukking protein powder with 50g protein/220g carbs, drink 1L extra milk a day, add milk powder to everything, eat 9001 meals a day. I lift like there's no tomorrow. Sure, I've seen change, just not recently and not fast. Still a skinny phukk @ 82kg, 6', 14%bf.

No hard gainer my urethra.


Edit: fruit, natural yoghurt, pea n ham soup, your mum, etc

You should add 6-8 tbsp olive oil to all that and try again.

[Rog447]

Anthony21 hit the nail on the head.... Bottom line is protein is protein, use whichever one you think tastes the best/ company you trust. As others are saying eat more, it takes me upwards of 6-8k calories to gain weight, sure it sucks sometimes to shovel that much food down, but do what you gotta do and man up!

[lucia316]

just eat more man. idk why people cant grasp this concept. if you eat you will grow. write down all you eat during the day and look up the nutritional info online and see how much carbs/cals/fats/protein...etc you are getting.

as far as shakes, just take whey protein + ice cream, yogurt, ice, fruit, peanut butter, EVOO, milk

Better yet, use something like MyFitnessPal.com. They even have apps for your phone. The macros aren't correct, typically, but you should know your daily macro needs and you can just ignore the red and green. Just make sure your calories meet your goal at the end of the day.

[naturalguy]

I am going to disagree with some of you in that there are people that are hard gainers. I do agree that they need to eat more however not everyone builds muscle at the same rate. Some guys can eat well over their maintenance and not put on a lot of muscle, they can put on fat. There are genetic differences with the rate in which people build muscle.

[Valhallabound86]

I am going to disagree with some of you in that there are people that are hard gainers. I do agree that they need to eat more however not everyone builds muscle at the same rate. Some guys can eat well over their maintenance and not put on a lot of muscle, they can put on fat. There are genetic differences with the rate in which people build muscle.

I would argue that the relative rate of "true" ectomorphs pale in comparison to those who do not have a grasp on caloric intake. Aside from a hyperactive thyroid, most users can gain weight with increase of calories. It also depends on relative amount of activity done on a daily basis, so some may be underestimating their NEAT or TEE for each particular day.

[ExDubio11]

I am going to disagree with some of you in that there are people that are hard gainers. I do agree that they need to eat more however not everyone builds muscle at the same rate. Some guys can eat well over their maintenance and not put on a lot of muscle, they can put on fat. There are genetic differences with the rate in which people build muscle.

I'm sure you'd also disagree with everyone and say that Animal Pak is superior to Orthocore or that Shock Therapy is superior to Fierce Domination. Thankfully, your opinion holds no water because you are a sell-out company rep and everyone here knows it.

[naturalguy]

I would argue that the relative rate of "true" ectomorphs pale in comparison to those who do not have a grasp on caloric intake. Aside from a hyperactive thyroid, most users can gain weight with increase of calories. It also depends on relative amount of activity done on a daily basis, so some may be underestimating their NEAT or TEE for each particular day.

Agreed, everyone can gain weight however it's not always muscle

I'm sure you'd also disagree with everyone and say that Animal Pak is superior to Orthocore or that Shock Therapy is superior to Fierce Domination. Thankfully, your opinion holds no water because you are a sell-out company rep and everyone here knows it.

You sound very angry, not sure what your beef is but by your posts you clearly don't know me well.

You've commented in 3 threads that I am in and I haven't recommended a single product in any of those threads. You must have me mixed up with someone else. I gave you some positive reps to help you out.

[lucia316]

I'm sure you'd also disagree with everyone and say that Animal Pak is superior to Orthocore or that Shock Therapy is superior to Fierce Domination. Thankfully, your opinion holds no water because you are a sell-out company rep and everyone here knows it.

A rep or not, the man can have an opinion. Whether one agrees is up to discussion, but come on man. You butthurt?

[anonymous]

IMO there is no such thing as a hardgainer. The reason one doesn't gain is they don't understand the meaning of a "caloric surplus" or don't eat enough to gain. They think they're eating enough but you ask them there macros or caloric intake and they are clueless.

You're not going to benefit from one protein over the next. Protein is protein in the end. One brand may have slightly more calories i.e a mass gainer but you should be getting a sufficient amount of food.

Whether it's Syntha 6, ON, Dymatize, Gaspari or whatever brand you choose, it's not going to mean sh!t if you aren't taking in a sufficient amount of calories in order to gain steady weight.

This!

I was once a "hardgainer" now I'm 215lb at 5'10 lean, only thing that changed was my diet

[Anthony21]

I am going to disagree with some of you in that there are people that are hard gainers. I do agree that they need to eat more however not everyone builds muscle at the same rate. Some guys can eat well over their maintenance and not put on a lot of muscle, they can put on fat. There are genetic differences with the rate in which people build muscle.

I agree that each as individuals will put muscle and fat on differently. If this wasn't the case we'd all be walking around looking boss like Eric Soto or Stan Efferding. Sh!t I was I had the genetics of a beast who can pack on muscle. Maybe I need to go kick my parents in the shins for the genetics I landed up with lol.

I think in general though there is no hardgainer in terms of just gaining.

I'm sure you'd also disagree with everyone and say that Animal Pak is superior to Orthocore or that Shock Therapy is superior to Fierce Domination. Thankfully, your opinion holds no water because you are a sell-out company rep and everyone here knows it.

You really need to grow the fuk up and don't speak for other members. Did you not get picked in some promo or some sh!t?

Head over to the misc with your BS.