ITT, Why Gun Control Will Never Work

[ProLibertas]

I could make all kinds of arguments about constitutions, lower crime rates, the right to defend your self, but I won't.

Instead, gun control will never work for the same reasons prohibition will never work.

Be it alcohol, drugs or anything else the government has never succeed in preventing anyone who want's any illegal substance from easily getting it despite trillions of dollars and decades of effort.

So what I would like to know from gun control advocates is what is so special about guns that will some how allow the government to keep them away from people?

I have never heard anyone explain how they would get around this to me.

[ProLibertas]

Morons negging me already with no response.
lol at using American as an insult, I'm Canadian.

Also a related video,

[Futurebound]

gun control will lead to only criminals and police having weapons
if **** got real all the citizens wouldnt stand a chance
the CIA used to ship ******* in by the metric ton, cops get funded and the DEA stays afloat becuase of prohibition, instead of having a mafia we have elected officials who do the same job with all the other drugs

[Mullahz218]

This is simply not true. A good proof of that will be percentages of people who smoke weed in netherlands... compared to weed smokers in some random country like UK.

[Coonsmell]

Works for us.


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[PrettyDeepBrah]

Works for us.


/thread

your government has other things to worry about like a-cup sized titty pornstars and mutant spiders

[ProLibertas]

It works in other countries so why wouldn't it work in the US?

Works for us.


/thread

Prohibition works in Australia? I guess if I went there and tried to get illegal drugs or guns I'd fail?
Please tell me how you accomplished getting prohibition to work, since over in North America our governments have spent decades failing spectacularly at it.

[mmaoz]

Prohibition works in Australia? I guess if I went there and tried to get illegal drugs or guns I'd fail?
Please tell me how you accomplished getting prohibition to work, since over in North America our governments have spent decades failing spectacularly at it.

of course, theres plenty of guns here already
i believe he's talking about the lack of gun related deaths/crimes since the laws changed in aus since 1996. of course they still happen albeit rarely.

[50scent]

[J1n]

This is simply not true. A good proof of that will be percentages of people who smoke weed in netherlands... compared to weed smokers in some random country like UK.

LOL are you being serious? the percent is much higher where its illegal (USA,UK, etc) than where its legal like the Netherlands. strong retard.

[MiKey4]

ITT: if a problem isn't 100% fully solved, then it isn't solved at all

[ProLibertas]

of course, theres plenty of guns here already
i believe he's talking about the lack of gun related deaths/crimes since the laws changed in aus since 1996. of course they still happen albeit rarely.

Source? If anything the evidence shows crime in Australia going up, why hasn't gun control prevented this?

If you can still get a gun, that means gun control is failing and ensuring the only ones with guns are criminals.

Can I buy ******* or Marijuana easily in Australia, surely a government successfully prohibiting one substance can succeed with others?

[reelop19]

Oh yeah sure gun control will work. I mean Canada is to our north and mexico is to our south and they already have very strict gun laws. Our borders are super secure so we can stop people trying to smuggle in guns just like we do with drugs. Oh oh oh and our ports are not that busy so definetely no issues there. Hahahahaha......you gun control people are fcukin hilarious!!! I love when I have the opportunity to use sarcasm to make gun control ****s look stupid

[reelop19]

Source? If anything the evidence shows crime in Australia going up, why hasn't gun control prevented this?

If you can still get a gun, that means gun control is failing and ensuring the only ones with guns are criminals.

Can I buy ******* or Marijuana easily in Australia, surely a government successfully prohibiting one substance can succeed with others?

You just asked this guy for a source and then posted a graph without a source. No difference between you 2

[mmaoz]

Source? If anything the evidence shows crime in Australia going up, why hasn't gun control prevented this?

If you can still get a gun, that means gun control is failing and ensuring the only ones with guns are criminals.

Can I buy ******* or Marijuana easily in Australia, surely a government successfully prohibiting one substance can succeed with others?

is that graph based on gun related crimes?

[ProLibertas]

is that graph based on gun related crimes?

No just crime.

Your not going to go full retard and argue it's better to be stabbed to death then shot to death are you?

[Lowlander]

your government has other things to worry about like a-cup sized titty pornstars and mutant spiders

Oh look another ignorant American who knows nothing about other countries.

[mmaoz]

No just crime.

Your not going to go full retard and argue it's better to be stabbed to death then shot to death are you?

so you're saying that crime in australia is on the rise because gun laws changed? just no.

correlation =/= causation.

[pointbreaker]

[Hereforthelulz]

Prohibition works in Australia? I guess if I went there and tried to get illegal drugs or guns I'd fail?
Please tell me how you accomplished getting prohibition to work, since over in North America our governments have spent decades failing spectacularly at it.

Australia is an island and anything that comes here goes through a rigorous customs inspection, smuggling into Australia is near impossible, thus illegal and banned items are rare and very expensive, that's not saying there is no drugs or guns in Aus but the government has contained it pretty well.

[ProLibertas]

so you're saying that crime in australia is on the rise because gun laws changed? just no.

correlation =/= causation.

No I'm saying gun control has been implemented and crime has gone up. Why isn't it going down or staying the same? What else has changed in Australia since 1996?

I would say this points to the failure of gun control.

If you say something lowers crime, it gets implemented and crime goes, it points towards it not lowering crime.

[arkansawboy]

yes, if this was fuking candy land and everyone held hands we wouldnt have weapons in the 1st place, but its America, and we have the constitutional right to bear arms.

Bottom line: It would be fuking impossible to confiscate every weapon in America.. fuking impossible
however, say we did try, but the only ones left with the guns would be the same ppl who still have everthing else thats illegal... CRIMINALS

[mmaoz]

No I'm saying gun control has been implemented and crime has gone up. Why isn't it going down or staying the same? What else has changed in Australia since 1996?

I would say this points to the failure of gun control.

If you say something lowers crime, it gets implemented and crime goes, it points towards it not lowering crime.

Break-ins have been cut by about half since 1996;
Car theft has dropped by about 61 per cent over the past decade;
The overall number of violent crimes decreased in 2010 except for the offence of kidnapping and abduction;
Of the five categories of violent crime, four recorded a drop in the number of victims between 2009 and 2010 – homicide, assault, sexual assault and robbery;
The most common weapon used in homicide in 2009–10 was a knife. Knives were involved in 39 per cent of all homicides;
Firearms used in 13 per cent of all homicides;
There has been a 27 per cent drop in the number of homicides between 1996 and 2010, with a drop of 11 per cent between 2009 and 2010;
The homicide rate is 1.2 per 100,000 population;
The number of victims of robbery in 2010 is the lowest on record since 1996, with 14,582 victims. Robbery victim numbers peaked in 2001 with 26,591 victims;
Murder and sexual assault occurred most frequently within residential settings - 61 percent of murders occurred in a residential dwelling and 63 percent of sexual assaults occurred in a residential dwelling;
Assault rates decreased from 801 per 100,000 people in 2009 to 766 per 100,000 in 2010;
In 2010, there were 17,757 recorded sexual assaults, down from 18,807 the previous year;
The rate of fraud victimisation dropped by 11 per cent from 2009 to 2011 and, since peaking in 1998-99, has declined by 35 per cent;
In 2009–10, the offending rate for people aged 15 to 19 years was almost four times the rate for all other offenders (6,751 compared with 1,821 offenders per 100,000);
In 2009–10, 2,767 arrests involving heroin were made – an 81 percent decrease in arrests over the past decade;
In 2009–10, cannabis accounted for the highest number of drug-related arrests with 57,170 arrests - an increase of three percent from 2008–09; and
In 2009-10 the number of ******* arrests increased by 47 per cent rising to 1,244 from 848 in 2008-09 but ******* arrests remain lower than for any other drug type.
This annual publication is compiled from information provided by sources in each state and territory, and the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
The full report can be accessed online at www.aic.gov.au and a summary of the report’s findings is attached.

[SilentHil]

Most countries with strict gun control are much safer than merica

[Sakeoe]

Oh look, its this thread again. Good thing I copy pasted my reply from a previous thead so now I can just keep pasting it whenever one of this threads pop up.

The problem in the US is that every retard can get his hands on a gun legally. Alot of Americans like to link to for example Switzerland as a example that "no gun control" works. What they don't understand is that only soldiers or have been soldiers are allowed to have guns, and that they still have a military draft. That's why it works in Switzerland but not in the US.

However changing the US system is simply not possible anymore because of how much guns are integrated into their culture, and because of the amount of guns that are allready in circulation.

In the end this kind of debates are retarded. Banning guns in the US right now is retarded as most criminals have guns and citizens would not have them, but US miscers saying other countries should allow weapons are also retarded. They don't understand that the majority of the "illegal" guns came from the legal system one way or the other (source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ocon/guns.html) whereas only a relatively small amount of guns are actually illegally smugled into the country. Thus if you were to make guns suddenly legal in a country like the Netherlands it would mean your average criminal has a way easier acces to firearms than they do right now.

A last difference is that in America there is a vast culture of glorifcation of violence. The amounts of times I see American miscers claim how easily they would shoot someone breaking into their house, or even on the streets in some form of a confrontation goes to show it. I think many European people don't have the guts to end someone's life as easily as some Americans could. Maby Europeans are pussy's, or maby Americans are war mongering. I don't know but that difference is also one that you should take into acount.

[ProLibertas]

Break-ins have been cut by about half since 1996;
Car theft has dropped by about 61 per cent over the past decade;
The overall number of violent crimes decreased in 2010 except for the offence of kidnapping and abduction;
Of the five categories of violent crime, four recorded a drop in the number of victims between 2009 and 2010 – homicide, assault, sexual assault and robbery;
The most common weapon used in homicide in 2009–10 was a knife. Knives were involved in 39 per cent of all homicides;
Firearms used in 13 per cent of all homicides;
There has been a 27 per cent drop in the number of homicides between 1996 and 2010, with a drop of 11 per cent between 2009 and 2010;
The homicide rate is 1.2 per 100,000 population;
The number of victims of robbery in 2010 is the lowest on record since 1996, with 14,582 victims. Robbery victim numbers peaked in 2001 with 26,591 victims;
Murder and sexual assault occurred most frequently within residential settings - 61 percent of murders occurred in a residential dwelling and 63 percent of sexual assaults occurred in a residential dwelling;
Assault rates decreased from 801 per 100,000 people in 2009 to 766 per 100,000 in 2010;
In 2010, there were 17,757 recorded sexual assaults, down from 18,807 the previous year;
The rate of fraud victimisation dropped by 11 per cent from 2009 to 2011 and, since peaking in 1998-99, has declined by 35 per cent;
In 2009–10, the offending rate for people aged 15 to 19 years was almost four times the rate for all other offenders (6,751 compared with 1,821 offenders per 100,000);
In 2009–10, 2,767 arrests involving heroin were made – an 81 percent decrease in arrests over the past decade;
In 2009–10, cannabis accounted for the highest number of drug-related arrests with 57,170 arrests - an increase of three percent from 2008–09; and
In 2009-10 the number of ******* arrests increased by 47 per cent rising to 1,244 from 848 in 2008-09 but ******* arrests remain lower than for any other drug type.
This annual publication is compiled from information provided by sources in each state and territory, and the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
The full report can be accessed online at www.aic.gov.au and a summary of the report’s findings is attached.

One year is to small a sample size, look at the graph why wasn't there a big drop after 1996 when everyone had their guns taken?

Still want to know how the Australian government has succeed with prohibition where everyone else has failed? If you believe the government can succeed in it, why not outlaw all bad things?

[mmaoz]

One year is to small a sample size, look at the graph why wasn't there a big drop after 1996 when everyone had their guns taken?

Still want to know how the Australian government has succeed with prohibition where everyone else has failed? If you believe the government can succeed in it, why not outlaw all bad things?

you're still assuming that the crime rise in australia is due to gun control.




you're also believing that australia has prohibited guns which isn't remotely true.

[ProLibertas]

you're still assuming that the crime rise in australia is due to gun control.

Australia has heavily regulated guns, I'm amusing it's like Canada you can't carry them with you, only use them for sport and hunting?

No that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying gun control is supposed to drop crime, it's been implemented and crime has risen, what other factors can account for this?
I'm not saying it is gun control, I'm saying it is evidence pointing toward gun control being a failure.

[xXBrutalXx]

and we can start the tax payer funded multi-billion dollar "War on Guns" it works so well with drugs

[arkansawboy]

Oh look, its this thread again. Good thing I copy pasted my reply from a previous thead so now I can just keep pasting it whenever one of this threads pop up.

The problem in the US is that every retard can get his hands on a gun legally. Alot of Americans like to link to for example Switzerland as a example that "no gun control" works. What they don't understand is that only soldiers or have been soldiers are allowed to have guns, and that they still have a military draft. That's why it works in Switzerland but not in the US.

However changing the US system is simply not possible anymore because of how much guns are integrated into their culture, and because of the amount of guns that are allready in circulation.

In the end this kind of debates are retarded. Banning guns in the US right now is retarded as most criminals have guns and citizens would not have them, but US miscers saying other countries should allow weapons are also retarded. They don't understand that the majority of the "illegal" guns came from the legal system one way or the other (source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ocon/guns.html) whereas only a relatively small amount of guns are actually illegally smugled into the country. Thus if you were to make guns suddenly legal in a country like the Netherlands it would mean your average criminal has a way easier acces to firearms than they do right now.

A last difference is that in America there is a vast culture of glorifcation of violence. The amounts of times I see American miscers claim how easily they would shoot someone breaking into their house, or even on the streets in some form of a confrontation goes to show it. I think many European people don't have the guts to end someone's life as easily as some Americans could. Maby Europeans are pussy's, or maby Americans are war mongering. I don't know but that difference is also one that you should take into acount.

thank you.

/thread for the thousandth time.