heated debate with PT at my gym about nutrition

[13Chris13]

So, I'm at the gym yesterday minding my own business in my own little world about to finish my last set of flat bench with 315 on the bar and the PT walk up to me and says "hows the training going" I said its good and tried to shrug him off without being abrasive or rude.. I like to keep my intensity up and I'm not there to chit chat.. He asked how's your nutrition plan or diet? Here's where it got fun.. I proceeded to tell him I hadn't eaten since 7 p.m. the night before and that I'm training fasted right now and I feel fine. His eyebrow raised and he says to me that my metabolic rate is gonna slow down if I don't eat every 2-3 hours.. I schooled him on the fact that meal timing is irrelevant now and is not a factor in the way I eat.. I said I eat 25% of my daily calories at my first meal, then my next two meals are decent size meaning 700-800 calories and then a snack before I start my fast at 7."This goes against everything the fitness industry preaches" he says. He then tells me I shouldn't consume more than 40g of protein at any meal because my body will only use what it needs and then the rest get converted to waste.. At this point I was getting a little pissed off with this "bro" because he was spewing nonsense.. he gave me some example of when you take B-complex vitamins that's why you pee bright yellow because your body only uses what it needs and disposes the rest and that make your pee yellow.. Wit that I said OK I gotta work today and need to finish my workout..
My question to everyone here is, can you guys point my in the right direction or give me some links to some information regarding these topics? meal timing, meal frequency, fasting(I already have leangains.com), nutrient absorption, etc.. I would like to print this info out and take it to my gym and present it to the PT for some leisure reading.. I've talked to the guy before and he seems down to earth and open minded enough to read up on these topics. I would appreciate it. Oh, by the way try to give sites that are in laymen's terms so that the guy can wrap his brain around the concept.. If there huge biochemical equations and formulas he might set it down being a "bro" and all. Lol

Thanks

By the way if you think its not even worth it to try and change someones perspective, that's fine too.. Just thought that maybe if you can get to a few they might start spreading it to their clients and these myths of the past can be overturned

[peteyboy1015]

So, I'm at the gym yesterday minding my own business in my own little world about to finish my last set of flat bench with 315 on the bar and the PT walk up to me and says "hows the training going" I said its good and tried to shrug him off without being abrasive or rude.. I like to keep my intensity up and I'm not there to chit chat.. He asked how's your nutrition plan or diet? Here's where it got fun.. I proceeded to tell him I hadn't eaten since 7 p.m. the night before and that I'm training fasted right now and I feel fine. His eyebrow raised and he says to me that my metabolic rate is gonna slow down if I don't eat every 2-3 hours.. I schooled him on the fact that meal timing is irrelevant now and is not a factor in the way I eat.. I said I eat 25% of my daily calories at my first meal, then my next two meals are decent size meaning 700-800 calories and then a snack before I start my fast at 7."This goes against everything the fitness industry preaches" he says. He then tells me I shouldn't consume more than 40g of protein at any meal because my body will only use what it needs and then the rest get converted to waste.. At this point I was getting a little pissed off with this "bro" because he was spewing nonsense.. he gave me some example of when you take B-complex vitamins that's why you pee bright yellow because your body only uses what it needs and disposes the rest and that make your pee yellow.. Wit that I said OK I gotta work today and need to finish my workout..
My question to everyone here is, can you guys point my in the right direction or give me some links to some information regarding these topics? meal timing, meal frequency, fasting(I already have leangains.com), nutrient absorption, etc.. I would like to print this info out and take it to my gym and present it to the PT for some leisure reading.. I've talked to the guy before and he seems down to earth and open minded enough to read up on these topics. I would appreciate it. Oh, by the way try to give sites that are in laymen's terms so that the guy can wrap his brain around the concept.. If there huge biochemical equations and formulas he might set it down being a "bro" and all. Lol

Thanks

By the way if you think its not even worth it to try and change someones perspective, that's fine too.. Just thought that maybe if you can get to a few they might start spreading it to their clients and these myths of the past can be overturned

Long read, but here you go. I direct everyone to this link:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html

Mostly on fasting, but there's some good stuff on "stroking the metabolic fire" and "consuming more than 30 g of protein a meal."

[alan aragon]

So, I'm at the gym yesterday minding my own business in my own little world about to finish my last set of flat bench with 315 on the bar and the PT walk up to me and says "hows the training going" I said its good and tried to shrug him off without being abrasive or rude.. I like to keep my intensity up and I'm not there to chit chat.. He asked how's your nutrition plan or diet? Here's where it got fun.. I proceeded to tell him I hadn't eaten since 7 p.m. the night before and that I'm training fasted right now and I feel fine. His eyebrow raised and he says to me that my metabolic rate is gonna slow down if I don't eat every 2-3 hours.. I schooled him on the fact that meal timing is irrelevant now and is not a factor in the way I eat.. I said I eat 25% of my daily calories at my first meal, then my next two meals are decent size meaning 700-800 calories and then a snack before I start my fast at 7."This goes against everything the fitness industry preaches" he says. He then tells me I shouldn't consume more than 40g of protein at any meal because my body will only use what it needs and then the rest get converted to waste.. At this point I was getting a little pissed off with this "bro" because he was spewing nonsense.. he gave me some example of when you take B-complex vitamins that's why you pee bright yellow because your body only uses what it needs and disposes the rest and that make your pee yellow.. Wit that I said OK I gotta work today and need to finish my workout..
My question to everyone here is, can you guys point my in the right direction or give me some links to some information regarding these topics? meal timing, meal frequency, fasting(I already have leangains.com), nutrient absorption, etc.. I would like to print this info out and take it to my gym and present it to the PT for some leisure reading.. I've talked to the guy before and he seems down to earth and open minded enough to read up on these topics. I would appreciate it. Oh, by the way try to give sites that are in laymen's terms so that the guy can wrap his brain around the concept.. If there huge biochemical equations and formulas he might set it down being a "bro" and all. Lol

Thanks

By the way if you think its not even worth it to try and change someones perspective, that's fine too.. Just thought that maybe if you can get to a few they might start spreading it to their clients and these myths of the past can be overturned

Why is he worth that effort? Going around schooling every trainer who's ignorant about nutrition would be a full-time job.

[braggable]

there is NO LIMIT on protein absorption:

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-n...a-single-meal/

[lee__d]

on leangains, theres is a post "10 fasting myths debunked" most of what u seek is there.

also http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-n...a-single-meal/

[13Chris13]

Thanks, but if you read my thread, I stated that I already have leangains.com, due to the fact that I'm IFing right now..

Thank you for quick response though

[hulk4]

Here's 3

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/res...ch-review.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0403090259.htm

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-n...a-single-meal/

[FunkymonkAW]

Why is he worth that effort? Going around schooling every trainer who's ignorant about nutrition would be a full-time job.

Exactly. Plus, if you're throwing up 315 on bench like nothing, I think you're definitely doing something right.

[Kamapuaa]

The guy's a trainer, I think he knows what he's talking about.

[13Chris13]

Why is he worth that effort? Going around schooling every trainer who's ignorant about nutrition would be a full-time job.

You're probably right.. I guess you just get to the point where you get sick of these people making a living on peoples ignorance and spreading bad information.. I'm probably wasting my time here.. It's just that I've been training there for a while now and this person seems like a cool person, and thought I'd try to open his eyes.. There was a time when probably 90% of us on this forum believed in those myths as well, until they were proven wrong..

[peteyboy1015]

You're probably right.. I guess you just get to the point where you get sick of these people making a living on peoples ignorance and spreading bad information.. I'm probably wasting my time here.. It's just that I've been training there for a while now and this person seems like a cool person, and thought I'd try to open his eyes.. There was a time when probably 90% of us on this forum believed in those myths as well, until they were proven wrong..

I think if he really wanted to know, he would look up the information himself (who knows...he's probably checking right now as we speak, lol). I too was interested in the validity of some of the myths so that's exactly what I did. I researched on Bodybuilding nutrition and relearned everything I had to about nutrition.

[Shrederator]

The guy's a trainer, I think he knows what he's talking about.

......^

[hankst]

The guy's a trainer, I think he thinks he knows what he's talking about.

Fixed that for you.

[13Chris13]

The guy's a trainer, I think he knows what he's talking about.

LOL!!! If only that were the case..

[otterakl]

The guy's a trainer, I think he knows what he's talking about.

lol, I lol'ed

[GrandWazoo]

fitness should be a DIY industry, I have come across too many personal trainers who are self entitled, broscience, douche bags who think because they learned the academics of x, y, z, they are an authority (and majority of them don't have the bodies to back it up). then comes the nutritional side to their advice, lol.

I think the trainers are a short cut for people too lazy to do the research themselves (which IMO would be far more beneficial). oh well.

[13Chris13]

Fixed that for you.

LOL!! That makes it even more funny

[peteyboy1015]

fitness should be a DIY industry, I have come across too many personal trainers who are self entitled, broscience, douche bags who think because they learned the academics of x, y, z, they are an authority (and majority of them don't have the bodies to back it up). then comes the nutritional side to their advice, lol.

I think the trainers are a short cut for people too lazy to do the research themselves (which IMO would be far more beneficial). oh well.

I was actually interested about going into the personal training major for my college, but after realizing how many people are so ignorant and stubborn, I'd probably be run out of business if I offered any of the sound advice that I've learned.

[rob2093124]

Meal Timing - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
High Protein is Bad (I think this refers to kidneys, not what u asked, but WTH) - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16174292

[13Chris13]

I was actually interested about going into the personal training major for my college, but after realizing how many people are so ignorant and stubborn, I'd probably be run out of business if I offered any of the sound advice that I've learned.

Or you could spread the knowledge that you have to your clientele and they get great results and then other people see your clients thriving and they come to you to train them too..

[IamJonsCranium]

The guy's a trainer, I think he knows what he's talking about.

It's the freaking FDA, I think they would know when they tell us that saturated fats give us heart attacks and we should instead consume trans fats.



Trust no one.

[Shrederator]

This thread is making me really hungry for pickles.

[peteyboy1015]

Or you could spread the knowledge that you have to your clientele and they get great results and then other people see your clients thriving and they come to you to train them too..

You can get great results either way...there's nothing wrong with going with the typical broscience. They are, after all, eating within a certain caloric limit, and I'm sure they're getting all their healthy fats, protein, and micronutrients in there as well. It's just one way is a hassle and a waste of money with all the supplements, and the other way gives a little bit more freedom.

[snorkelman]

This thread is incomplete without this video:

[peanut-butter]

Meal timing:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413096
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11319656

Protein Absorption in a single meal.

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-n...a-single-meal/
http://www.slideshare.net/biolayne/o...nd-muscle-mass

[chaz1172]

this thread is incomplete without this video:

ha^

[Virus4762]

Long read, but here you go. I direct everyone to this link:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html

Mostly on fasting, but there's some good stuff on "stroking the metabolic fire" and "consuming more than 30 g of protein a meal."

Great read. I just have a question on a couple of those points for anyone who knows the answer.

In point #10 the belief that you should reduce carbs in the evening is refuted. The reasoning is that "late evening eaters conserve muscle mass better, which results in a larger drop in body fat percentage" (last sentence in the "Truth" paragraph).

Now, don't get me wrong. I totally agree with this. I've NEVER refrained from eating carbs before I go to bed but doesn't the statement "late evening eaters conserve muscle mass better" contadict the whole point of the article that claims intermittent fasting causes no muscle loss?

Also, it is stated that eating carbs before bed causes no additional fat gain. Examples are given but it is never stated WHY eating carbs before bed causes no additional fat gain. Most traditional sources state that eating carbs before bed will cause fat gain because your body is not able to burn off these carbs like it is during the day. I guess the reason behind the statement "eating carbs before bed causes no additional fat gain" would be that carbs have no different affect on fat than any other nutrient? Is this right? Even so, why would this matter? Why wouldn't eating carbs (eating in general) before a long period of inactivity cause more fat gain than eating before a period of activity?

[AlwaysTryin]

Why is he worth that effort? Going around schooling every trainer who's ignorant about nutrition would be a full-time job.

Exactly how I feel. Who cares, look after yourself and lift your own weights

[Webber91]

Exactly how I feel. Who cares, look after yourself and lift your own weights

^ this. Don't waste your time trying to change someones opinion purely for the sake of "being right." Why kill your workout intensity just to argue? He's wrong, you're right, you know it, so who cares.

[Flex500]

So, I'm at the gym yesterday minding my own business in my own little world about to finish my last set of flat bench with 315 on the bar and the PT walk up to me and says "hows the training going" I said its good and tried to shrug him off without being abrasive or rude.. I like to keep my intensity up and I'm not there to chit chat.. He asked how's your nutrition plan or diet? Here's where it got fun.. I proceeded to tell him I hadn't eaten since 7 p.m. the night before and that I'm training fasted right now and I feel fine. His eyebrow raised and he says to me that my metabolic rate is gonna slow down if I don't eat every 2-3 hours.. I schooled him on the fact that meal timing is irrelevant now and is not a factor in the way I eat.. I said I eat 25% of my daily calories at my first meal, then my next two meals are decent size meaning 700-800 calories and then a snack before I start my fast at 7."This goes against everything the fitness industry preaches" he says. He then tells me I shouldn't consume more than 40g of protein at any meal because my body will only use what it needs and then the rest get converted to waste.. At this point I was getting a little pissed off with this "bro" because he was spewing nonsense.. he gave me some example of when you take B-complex vitamins that's why you pee bright yellow because your body only uses what it needs and disposes the rest and that make your pee yellow.. Wit that I said OK I gotta work today and need to finish my workout..
My question to everyone here is, can you guys point my in the right direction or give me some links to some information regarding these topics? meal timing, meal frequency, fasting(I already have leangains.com), nutrient absorption, etc.. I would like to print this info out and take it to my gym and present it to the PT for some leisure reading.. I've talked to the guy before and he seems down to earth and open minded enough to read up on these topics. I would appreciate it. Oh, by the way try to give sites that are in laymen's terms so that the guy can wrap his brain around the concept.. If there huge biochemical equations and formulas he might set it down being a "bro" and all. Lol

Thanks

By the way if you think its not even worth it to try and change someones perspective, that's fine too.. Just thought that maybe if you can get to a few they might start spreading it to their clients and these myths of the past can be overturned

I wouldn't even waste your time. I think IF is flat out retarded. NOT because you can't get results though just because for me and my lifestyle it just is laughable. Again...that's for ME.

I'd just tell him....





The problem with "proving" your point is there are college professors with Phd's that would agree with him...actually quite a few. And I GURANTEE he could find boat loads of "legit" sources proving his point.

People have been debating this sh*t for years and years and you printing out somne little thing isn't going to help. Because then he can print out some little thing.

If I were you I'd tell him to suck your weenie and go by the picture above.