choosing between Riptoe or "best bulking routine" which is better

[thatswhatshesed]

Hey all, im an ectomorph with a 6 months lifting experience, but in those 6 months i was not doing what i should have done as a beginner- i was doing to many isolation excersises and working out 5 days a week, and not eating enough.

Now i am bulking, and i found 2 workout plans which are apparently great. I would like you to look at the 2 routines and please say which is better for an intermediate lifter (i have gone to personal trainers recently and learned perfect form for major lifts, but dont know power cleans yet.)

Below are 2 links, which is better for gaining weight>??

Riptoe-
wannabebig.com/forums/showthread.php?82345-Rippetoe-s-routine

BB.com bulking workout:
bodybuilding.com/fun/wotw55.htm

thanks guys/ girls i really appreciate your help!!!

[bigtallox]

Starting strength is better (bulking or not).

[Caged_Rav3n]

With strenght comes size, in order to get bigger you have to get stronger, the stronger you get the more you life the bigger you get.

Ripptoe's SS is great for building strenght, and with that will come the size.

[thatswhatshesed]

With strenght comes size, in order to get bigger you have to get stronger, the stronger you get the more you life the bigger you get.

Ripptoe's SS is great for building strenght, and with that will come the size.

cool, thanks. So is that link that i posted the right riptoe program i will want to follow for bulking? I have found quite a few variations while surfing the web, not sure which is the right one.

[Caged_Rav3n]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224


Also if you can buy the book, it goes into much more detail on everything, Rippe also has some vids floating round on youtube showing how to do some stuff properly.

[tom10]

I also vote Rippetoe's as it is the fastest way for a newbie to progress.

Side note: don't call yourself an ecto because you are skinny and a beginner. Assuming in this sport is the way of the **** up.

[thatswhatshesed]

Also if you can buy the book, it goes into much more detail on everything, Rippe also has some vids floating round on youtube showing how to do some stuff properly.

everyone is calling this a noobie routine, is it still appropriate for me, i have been lifting constantly for 6 months, but with isolation excersises and have somewhat plateud. should i take a more advanced program, since i have lifting experience, or will this one give me great gains?

thanks again all!!

[tom10]

everyone is calling this a noobie routine, is it still appropriate for me, i have been lifting constantly for 6 months, but with isolation excersises and have somewhat plateud. should i take a more advanced program, since i have lifting experience, or will this one give me great gains?

thanks again all!!

It is best to start with a "noobie" routine than to start too advanced. The worst that could happen is that you perfect your form, increase your work capacity and add some size and strength. Overestimating what you are will run you into a wall as the intermediate programs usually contain too much workload for a beginner to progress on.

[Wildtim]

cool, thanks. So is that link that i posted the right riptoe program i will want to follow for bulking? I have found quite a few variations while surfing the web, not sure which is the right one.

given what you have been doing in the gym you are still a noob.

This is not the right Rippetoes program though it is actually form a thread on this board, and an incomplete write-up of that thread at that.

You want to buy and read the book it will help you a lot but to get started here is what you need yo read:

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wi..._Strength_Wiki

[Nuwin]

everyone is calling this a noobie routine, is it still appropriate for me, i have been lifting constantly for 6 months, but with isolation excersises and have somewhat plateud. should i take a more advanced program, since i have lifting experience, or will this one give me great gains?

thanks again all!!

If you have to ask, then yes, a 'n00b' routine is the way to go. People define n00b a little different, but it usually revolves around your lift numbers in the major compound exercises, not the length of time you've been training. I lifted for 6 years and would still consider myself to be in the n00b ranks based solely on lifts.

My personal classification of n00b status is different though. Since you have a goal but you do not know the best way to get there, you're a n00b, and stick to the n00b or predefined routines. As you grow with the program, hopefully you will also get an understanding of why you are doing the routine a certain way and also why it is effective across a wide group of people. Intermediate programs really are no different from n00b programs, except that the progression is slower to accommodate greater recovery needs. You may start to throw in some accessory work at this point to target certain aspects at this point if you feel something is lacking.

At the end of the day, the general idea is the same for each person. However, the exact details of execution are what varies from person to person. IE, Calorie consumption, responding to different stimulation methods, etc. Once you understand what is optimum for you, then you shall no longer be a n00b. Until then, you just have to put faith in a well respected program like Starting Strength.

[thatswhatshesed]

If you have to ask, then yes, a 'n00b' routine is the way to go. People define n00b a little different, but it usually revolves around your lift numbers in the major compound exercises, not the length of time you've been training. I lifted for 6 years and would still consider myself to be in the n00b ranks based solely on lifts.

My personal classification of n00b status is different though. Since you have a goal but you do not know the best way to get there, you're a n00b, and stick to the n00b or predefined routines. As you grow with the program, hopefully you will also get an understanding of why you are doing the routine a certain way and also why it is effective across a wide group of people. Intermediate programs really are no different from n00b programs, except that the progression is slower to accommodate greater recovery needs. You may start to throw in some accessory work at this point to target certain aspects at this point if you feel something is lacking.

At the end of the day, the general idea is the same for each person. However, the exact details of execution are what varies from person to person. IE, Calorie consumption, responding to different stimulation methods, etc. Once you understand what is optimum for you, then you shall no longer be a n00b. Until then, you just have to put faith in a well respected program like Starting Strength.

ok, thanks! these have been by far the most helpful answers i have recieved.

thanks everyone, looking forward to starting this routine!

[Kirra]

It's R-I-P-P-E-T-O-E damnit.

[G8GXP]

It's R-I-P-P-E-T-O-E damnit.

It is damn it or dam nit