The way I see it . . . (no cliffs)

[matty_b_bop]

For those that want to race time, perma bulk, get as big as you can in the least amount of time as you can - I don't understand the hurry. I'd much rather keep my low BF and slowly (but steadily) gain. It's much healthier (than bulking and cutting) and much more visibly appealing.

To me, I feel like time should be on your side. Since I'm 24, my muscles have yet to reach their full maturity and potential. In fact, I still have a good 8-9 years until they do. I push myself hard every day in the gym, but again, I am in no rush. I constantly challenge myself everyday in the gym, but, again, I'm in no rush. At the rate I'm going, about 5lbs of lean muscle mass a year, in a perfect world, I will be around 215 (natural) at 6-8% BF, and competition-ready all year 'round. That, to me, is worth the wait. Even if I don't hit that 215 mark, 185 with my current body would be amazing in itself.

I would love to be able to lift weights for the rest of my life, and trying to be injury free as much as I can. I think my best bet to achieve this would be to be slow and steady about my gains, along with correct technique (obviously). I enjoy keeping my diet clean. I like looking lean all year 'round while still gaining strength and weight. It may take me longer than some of you with your extreme bulking sessions, but I prefer to keep my BF low 365 days a year, especially since I can still move around very respectable weight.

Just some food for thought. Yes, this is coming from an ectomorph.


In before 5'10 170. No, not mad.


no cliffs. read if you wanna.

[Douche100]

pity bump

[krocknw]

lol at the pity bump...i kinda feel the same way.. Im 18 so i have alot of time before i start stressing. Though i wont lie...getting big now is a big concern for me(esp by the time i turn 21)

[wingman11]

yes fapping to ur pix

[NYG]

I agree, but for me I just bulk then get lazy in the summer when I'm in golf tournaments and it's hot n **** and I'm pretty lean. if I just stayed consistent year round without such an up and down I'd probably be better off.

meh, oh well.

[bigdan]

yawn... we get it dog, your ripped. nice work.

But honestly, having "overbulked" and basically been a fat piece of **** all through college I hear ya, I'm trying to get lean myself and then I'd like to remain relatively lean. That said I'm no longer the 160 lb shrimp I was in high school... my attitude has changed. I wouldn't want to get much below 190-200 lbs or so though.

[ricbig]

i just have a hard time lowering my bf all im doing is running and eating right

[blancmange]

im the same..... but more power to people who can get fat and not care

[CutBrah]

you can still do cut and bulk cycles and maintain low bf. i used to try to maintain as low bf as possible and slowly gain muscle. i personally have found it more effective if i bulk up until i start to lose the lower abs and then cut down to where ab veins are visible. just my two cents.

[AlphaPole]

I believe some of us just want to feel big.
I used to be a skinny kid, now Im bigger and enjoy that feeling. So I guess there is a great deal of psychology behind it.
And bulking is fun, lulz.

[Abyss]

Nice to see someone got the same mind as me. Could'nt agree more to be honest! As a former cutter and bulker, it drove me crazy how many times I would just keep going to one to the other. Stick to a one way street and I believe you reach your full potential.

[A_Hard_Rain]

meh i've never cared about being that lean myself. as long as i don't have a gut i'm happy, would rather look big and powerful anyway (in b4 6'0" 175 lbs)

[wingman11]

yes want to be 165 and under 10% bf. i have decent strength but i just can't get lean. ahhh fuuuuuuu.

[matty_b_bop]

pity bump

lulz, thanks.

lol at the pity bump...i kinda feel the same way.. Im 18 so i have alot of time before i start stressing. Though i wont lie...getting big now is a big concern for me(esp by the time i turn 21)

think about it, it's still 3 years away. if you eat clean, lift big and sleep enough, you'll still get some solid growth!

yes fapping to ur pix

work it.

I agree, but for me I just bulk then get lazy in the summer when I'm in golf tournaments and it's hot n **** and I'm pretty lean. if I just stayed consistent year round without such an up and down I'd probably be better off.

meh, oh well.

what do you mean you get lazy? lazy towards what?

yawn... we get it dog, your ripped. nice work.

But honestly, having "overbulked" and basically been a fat piece of **** all through college I hear ya, I'm trying to get lean myself and then I'd like to remain relatively lean. That said I'm no longer the 160 lb shrimp I was in high school... my attitude has changed. I wouldn't want to get much below 190-200 lbs or so though.

see, i was 130-140 in high school. i'm 170 now, and content because I know if I keep up the hard work I'll continue to put on size and weight while remaining lean.

i just have a hard time lowering my bf all im doing is running and eating right

start lifting weights too, brah.

im the same..... but more power to people who can get fat and not care

lulz

you can still do cut and bulk cycles and maintain low bf. i used to try to maintain as low bf as possible and slowly gain muscle. i personally have found it more effective if i bulk up until i start to lose the lower abs and then cut down to where ab veins are visible. just my two cents.

i hear you, but it does add more stress on the body when you shift between bulking and cutting.

I believe some of us just want to feel big.
I used to be a skinny kid, now Im bigger and enjoy that feeling. So I guess there is a great deal of psychology behind it.
And bulking is fun, lulz.

i can see the psychology part of it. however, it can be the same way those that want good muscle separation.

Nice to see someone got the same mind as me. Could'nt agree more to be honest! As a former cutter and bulker, it drove me crazy how many times I would just keep going to one to the other. Stick to a one way street and I believe you reach your full potential.

are you sticking with it now? how is it going compared to the cutting/bulking cycles?

meh i've never cared about being that lean myself. as long as i don't have a gut i'm happy, would rather look big and powerful anyway (in b4 6'0" 175 lbs)

people can ultimately look bigger in many cases when they have a lower BF

yes want to be 165 and under 10% bf. i have decent strength but i just can't get lean. ahhh fuuuuuuu.

you can get lean, just takes time. time is what you have. just be dedicated.

[JuicintheJuice]

pity bump

lol

[NYG]

what do you mean you get lazy? lazy towards what?

well I don't get fat during the fall/winter, but I'm usually noticeably bigger. during the summer I just have a lot more going on so I don't eat as much and I lift lighter usually.

[wingman11]

yeah, i have tons of time...but my diet is pretty sweet and i am STILL stuck at 185ish. it fluctuates from 180ish to as high as 188. fuuuuuuuuu.

[gmenfan40]

LOL at you thinking your body will keep on growing at your current rate and you will be 215 pounds at 8% body fat. Unless you have one of the worlds top genetics or you're not doing it natural, don't expect to be that heavy at your height being that lean. Also you could gain 10-15 pounds a year and still stay at the same body fat %, just saying.

[LP36]

I'll be looking damn good after my cut

I start within the next month

[matty_b_bop]

well I don't get fat during the fall/winter, but I'm usually noticeably bigger. during the summer I just have a lot more going on so I don't eat as much and I lift lighter usually.

i see. but even if you have a lot going on it doesn't mean you can't get good lifts in. to me, my workout comes before anything else, and I'll make the time for it if need be.

yeah, i have tons of time...but my diet is pretty sweet and i am STILL stuck at 185ish. it fluctuates from 180ish to as high as 188. fuuuuuuuuu.

i don't understand the fluctuation. please explain "sweet diet"

[rynofan]

I believe some of us just want to feel big.
I used to be a skinny kid, now Im bigger and enjoy that feeling. So I guess there is a great deal of psychology behind it.
And bulking is fun, lulz.

I did the same thing and enjoyed it, but I tell ya as you get older that bulk becomes harder to cut. Im about to be thirty and would love to drop back down to 185, but havent been able to yet.

[matty_b_bop]

LOL at you thinking your body will keep on growing at your current rate and you will be 215 pounds at 8% body fat. Unless you have one of the worlds top genetics or you're not doing it natural, don't expect to be that heavy at your height being that lean. Also you could gain 10-15 pounds a year and still stay at the same body fat %, just saying.

in 9 years i def could be. it's not hard at all. i have time, and i have the dedication. 5lbs a year is VERY reasonable.

I'll be looking damn good after my cut

I start within the next month

then what? going steady or eventually bulking again?

[Love Pirate]

Do you find that with obligations of work and stuff plus lifting and making sure to get your certain amount of meals in every day plus getting a lot of sleep that you don't have a lot of time for anything else?

[Canadas_elite]

My only problem is that I cant stop lifting , like I'm in no hurry at all this is just my hobby , but sometimes I'm like eh Ill just run and do soft **** for a while but If I'm not lifting big weight n **** I feel upset. I'm only lucky that I can do little to no cardio and not get fat.

[matty_b_bop]

Do you find that with obligations of work and stuff plus lifting and making sure to get your certain amount of meals in every day plus getting a lot of sleep that you don't have a lot of time for anything else?

nope. i pretty much have it made when it comes to all of that.

i have a mini-fridge in my office and availability to cooking appliances where I work, and I can eat while at work whenever I want.

I sleep 9-10 hours a night.

lift for 60-90 minutes.

i have plenty of time for other things if I schedule correctly.

[bizzlewood]

For those that want to race time, perma bulk, get as big as you can in the least amount of time as you can - I don't understand the hurry. I'd much rather keep my low BF and slowly (but steadily) gain. It's much healthier (than bulking and cutting) and much more visibly appealing.

To me, I feel like time should be on your side. Since I'm 24, my muscles have yet to reach their full maturity and potential. In fact, I still have a good 8-9 years until they do. I push myself hard every day in the gym, but again, I am in no rush. I constantly challenge myself everyday in the gym, but, again, I'm in no rush. At the rate I'm going, about 5lbs of lean muscle mass a year, in a perfect world, I will be around 215 (natural) at 6-8% BF, and competition-ready all year 'round. That, to me, is worth the wait. Even if I don't hit that 215 mark, 185 with my current body would be amazing in itself.

I would love to be able to lift weights for the rest of my life, and trying to be injury free as much as I can. I think my best bet to achieve this would be to be slow and steady about my gains, along with correct technique (obviously). I enjoy keeping my diet clean. I like looking lean all year 'round while still gaining strength and weight. It may take me longer than some of you with your extreme bulking sessions, but I prefer to keep my BF low 365 days a year, especially since I can still move around very respectable weight.

Just some food for thought. Yes, this is coming from an ectomorph.


In before 5'10 170. No, not mad.


no cliffs. read if you wanna.

i hear you brah and agree i've never cut in my life

[wingman11]

i see. but even if you have a lot going on it doesn't mean you can't get good lifts in. to me, my workout comes before anything else, and I'll make the time for it if need be.



i don't understand the fluctuation. please explain "sweet diet"

i don't understand the fluctuation either.

typical day is like this...

4 slices of turkey bacon for breakfast, apples, salads (lettuce, spinach, no dressing), oranges as snacks, 2 protein shakes throughout the day, 4oz lean ground beef for lunch, chicken breast for dinner, and almonds for a snack when i get hungry. occasionally a low fat string cheese.

mwf = weights in the gym
tthsat = jogging at the track

[matty_b_bop]

My only problem is that I cant stop lifting , like I'm in no hurry at all this is just my hobby , but sometimes I'm like eh Ill just run and do soft **** for a while but If I'm not lifting big weight n **** I feel upset. I'm only lucky that I can do little to no cardio and not get fat.

just because you don't do cardio and not get fat doesn't mean you're lucky. i do zero cardio myself.

it's good to transition from big weight to lighter stuff here and there, so don't worry about that. balance is key.

[LP36]

in 9 years i def could be. it's not hard at all. i have time, and i have the dedication. 5lbs a year is VERY reasonable.



then what? going steady or eventually bulking again?

steady growing brah

I think I'll look good... This is a couple months ago. I've put on more mass since then

[matty_b_bop]

i don't understand the fluctuation either.

typical day is like this...

4 slices of turkey bacon for breakfast, apples, salads (lettuce, spinach, no dressing), oranges as snacks, 2 protein shakes throughout the day, 4oz lean ground beef for lunch, chicken breast for dinner, and almonds for a snack when i get hungry. occasionally a low fat string cheese.

mwf = weights in the gym
tthsat = jogging at the track

huh, looks good on paper. doesn't seem like you're getting enough protein at all, though.

i would do:

M, T: weights
W: track
Th, Fr: weights
Sa: track

up the protein more as well.