Soy milk, yay or nay

[ElClipo]

I hear and read mixed opinions, some credible others not so much, that suggest soy milk is bad fo rmen because of estrogen content.

Anyone know one way or the other? Maybe studies or anything? I have seen many good splenda/equal/etc studies being linked here before so I figured this would be the place to ask.

[Schnitter]

Last thing I read was that there has been no study subjects to proove this. I would like to know (link to) which is best.

[daYDreAmErX]

Drink up.

[in10city]

Speaking from a purely logical standpoint, wouldn't any effect depend upon the dose, duration and timing? Only when something is put in a proper frame of reference can you possibly have a discussion that is remotely sensible.

While the evils of soy have been overblown, diets high in soy have been shown to have negative effects on testosterone, and various other hormones. However minor tallies should not pose a threat. Personally, I have no reason to go out of my way to consume it.

We could play PubMed ping-pong with pros and cons but without a frame of reference to you they are meaningless in application.

[ElClipo]

Normally I wouldn't go out of my way for such things but I am an occassional milk drinker, especially when taking a protein shake (water is just too blah for that) and I am lactose intolerant.

The other reason is that I just started keto (again) and I have found a light soy milk with 2g carbs per serving (8oz) so it would be convenient.

I understant that like anything else moderation would be the key but wanted to see if anyone here had the good scoop (or bad).

Thanks for the answers.

[Irun4fun]

its fine just dont make it a main thing you drink, just in case.

[in10city]

Normally I wouldn't go out of my way for such things but I am an occassional milk drinker, especially when taking a protein shake (water is just too blah for that) and I am lactose intolerant.

The other reason is that I just started keto (again) and I have found a light soy milk with 2g carbs per serving (8oz) so it would be convenient.

I understant that like anything else moderation would be the key but wanted to see if anyone here had the good scoop (or bad).

Thanks for the answers.

Very few things are inherently good or bad so there won't be a one size fits all scoop. Caffeine - good or bad? Jelly beans - good or bad? Depends. A glass or three will impart no ill effects. 100 glasses maybe so.

[glossygraphics]

When I was a kid I was sensitive to milk, so my mom fed my soy. And soy milk helped to replenish my estrogen levels in ed recovery without taking medications. But I don't have to anymore.

Soy milk has so many side effects though, I wouldn't drink it unless there was a medical purpose (menopause, etc.) Otherwise just drink water and get your calcium from vegetables and supplements.

[in10city]

When I was a kid I was sensitive to milk, so my mom fed my soy. And soy milk helped to replenish my estrogen levels in ed recovery without taking medications. But I don't have to anymore.

Soy milk has so many side effects though, I wouldn't drink it unless there was a medical purpose (menopause, etc.) Otherwise just drink water and get your calcium from vegetables and supplements.

lol, bro.

Too many noobs kickin' out funk lately.

[lorinelise]

Too many noobs kickin' out funk lately.

That's a big Times Two on that one, chief!

[Rigit23]

it's good only if you inject it directly into your veins.....therefore teh isoflavones won't cause teh boobiez!

[R40]

Soy milk isn't bad for you. It's much healthier than regular low fat milk and tastes a hell of a lot better than it too. Though an excess of any drink in your system is obviously not recommended. I'd suggest trying a couple of different brands and flavors. Chocolate soy is good, vanilla soy is good also, but some brands make the flavor barely drinkable. Try adding Silk's soy milk to protein shakes for an extra kick. Works well for me, I haven't put on any weight or experienced adverse side effects.

I just happened to have finished the rest of a quart of Silk soy milk earlier this evening. Here are some of the ingredients, judge for yourself:

'Filtered water, soybeans, all natural cane juice, calcium carbonate, sea salt, vitamin A, vitamin D2, Riboflavin(B2), vitamin B12'. The total grams of protein in one serving are 6 grams and only 100 calories! Plus, it's a great addition to a vegetarian diet; which is what I'm currently trying to maintain. Two weeks without any meat, ha ha.

[Miknal]

I hear and read mixed opinions, some credible others not so much, that suggest soy milk is bad fo rmen because of estrogen content.

Anyone know one way or the other? Maybe studies or anything? I have seen many good splenda/equal/etc studies being linked here before so I figured this would be the place to ask.

I read the (only) study which said this, lowering sperm count and such. Load of rubbish, only used about six people, and some had low sperm to begin with.

[dustinlima]

COCONUT MILK
COW MILK
ALMOND MILK
TITTIE MILK
SOY MILK

drink up, i'm sure they all have their various pros and cons

not sure about #4... honestly, i would try some again now that i have memory. prolly good micros and macros... well if she has a good diet & is free ranging lol

[Quinn77]

I'd avoid it. There are cheaper alternatives that don't have the same stigma (whether it is just or un-just) around them. If it helps maybe have lactaid/ some other Beta galactosidase product with regular milk. Soymilk where I'm at is about 4x the price of milk.

I'll admit though, it taste pretty good every once in a while.

In10city probably has the best stance on this.

[gottalift78]

I prefer the taste of Soy over regular milk. Like some of the other guys said, there is really no proof that it increases estrogen in men. Maybe an excess amount, so just drink in moderation to be safe. I love soy products personally and have not seen any change in my body. I have read some pretty eye opening info on milk and it kind of disgusted me so I am soy man now. It is kind of pricey compaired to regular milk, but I feel the extra buck is worth it. Walmart has their brand for 2.50 for a half gallon, so it's not too bad.

[lod254]

Last thing I read was that there has been no study subjects to proove this. I would like to know (link to) which is best.

I agree. Really all I've seen is rumors that soy increases estrogen and limits your progress.

I'm currently on a soy protein powder because I just think that it tastes 100x better. Oddly enough though, I take it with regular 1% milk, so I am getting a little of both worlds.

Some of facts are that whey is absorbed faster where soy is a slower release. With that in mind I'd think that a whey would be preferred post workout and soy before bed. Soy is also rumored to have general health benefits, especially with the heart. Ideally it seems that a mix of the two would benefit.

[defury]

There has been 0 studies proving soy increases estrogen in men just a bunch of bro's with their thinking caps on.

[vegas_dude]

Avoid this stuff like the plague! It is not your freind. It will kill your natural T-levels and you will gain LESS muscle than with any other protien.

This stuff is for housewifes who want to drop some weight. It is not for MEN.

If it was good for you they would price it the same as Whey protien, but is priced at the bottom of the barrel. Avoid it.

[snorkelman]

Phytoestrogens (isoflavones) are a group of natural estrogen receptor modulators that are highly concentrated in soy foods, including soy protein powders. As is typical of bro-science, you will hear bros mention soy and estrogen and make the bold claim that if you ingest soy, you will get man-boobs. The science simply does not support this. The vast majority (83%) of the studies that have evaluated the effects of isoflavones and soy on sex hormone levels have not shown a significant decline in testosterone.

A recent meta-analysis of studies found that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements significantly alter testosterone levels in men. See, Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis. Hamilton-Reeves JM, et al. Fertil Steril. 2009 Jun 11.

In fact, a twelve-week study in 2007 was the first human study that directly compared whey to soy in response to resistance training. The study found that when resistance-trained individuals supplemented with 50 g per day of soy (both soy concentrate and soy isolate were tested) that they did not have a decrease in serum testosterone and that it did not inhibit lean body mass changes. See, Effect of protein source and resistance training on body composition and sex hormones. Kalman D, 2007 Jul 23;4:4.

If soy intake really resulted in the feminization of men, one would expect to see some decrease in LBM due to a theoretical decrease in testosterone. However, this graph shows that even after 12 weeks of taking soy, there were no signs of loss of LBM.



Mean (± SD) lean body mass measured at baseline and following 12 weeks of protein supplementation and resistance exercise. At week 12, group analysis shows a significant enhancement in lean mass (0.9 kg, p = 0.007). A trend towards significance within groups was present only in the soy isolate group (p = 0.055).

Also, this study showed no significant change in testosterone or SHBG.



Mean (± SD) of SHBG at baseline and following 12 weeks of protein supplementation and resistance exercise. No significant changes between or across groups were evident at week 12.

[Bramble]

pretty sure the studies done on how soy raises estrogen was done in a very high soy diet like 3+ liters of soy milk per day. i drink soy milk all the time i haven't noticed anything negative about it

[CaPwN]

Is eating like 100-200g of tofu everyday fine?

[On Fire]

While the evils of soy have been overblown, diets high in soy have been shown to have negative effects on testosterone, and various other hormones. However minor tallies should not pose a threat. Personally, I have no reason to go out of my way to consume it.

This should've shut the thread down immediately.