CL Rep: How much caffeine in 2 scoops of White Flood? Also, WF + Cardio?

[androyd]

"Natural caffeine" is just one of the many ingredients listed under the "Energy & Antioxidant Flood Complex" section of the formula, which states it contains 3,825mg per 2 scoops. BTW, what's the difference between "natural" caffeine and the caffeine you'll find in say, coffee or soda?

Also, is WF safe to use on cardio days? For example, if I take 2 scoops of WF all at once 15 mins prior to weights, then lift for one hour or so, and then do 30 to 45 mins of cardio, will the WF have any adverse effects on my heart or cardiovascular system?


Thanks.

[pu12en12g]

"Natural caffeine" is just one of the many ingredients listed under the "Energy & Antioxidant Flood Complex" section of the formula, which states it contains 3,825mg per 2 scoops. BTW, what's the difference between "natural" caffeine and the caffeine you'll find in say, coffee or soda?

Also, is WF safe to use on cardio days? For example, if I take 2 scoops of WF all at once 15 mins prior to weights, then lift for one hour or so, and then do 30 to 45 mins of cardio, will the WF have any adverse effects on my heart or cardiovascular system?


Thanks.

1) Coffee is also natural caffeine as far as I know

2) No, save it for gym days only (WRAATH on cardio days)

3) The caffeine amount is about the same as a cup of coffee (proprietary)

[Marauder63]

can i put my 2 cents in? even though not being a CL rep? im not going to say to listen. but after 1 hour of lifting it seems to be ok from what i can tell if you like to do cardio maybe at least low intensity? high intensity may do something if anything iunno i hope that gives some sort of an idea but do wait for a CL rep

[pu12en12g]

will the WF have any adverse effects on my heart or cardiovascular system?

These questions are asked at a doctors appointment. You bring the supplement label in and ask the doc... very very simple. If you're in normal health, and not overly sensitive you should be fine, but nothing replaces your docs advice (see product label).

[Marauder63]

1) Coffee is also natural caffeine as far as I know

2) No, save it for gym days only (WRAATH on cardio days)

3) The caffeine amount is about the same as a cup of coffee (proprietary)

see my bad i apologize for my advice as i assumed it was wrong.

ive taken caffeine before (straight caffeine and have been ok but i know its not the same)

[pu12en12g]

can i put my 2 cents in? even though not being a CL rep? im not going to say to listen. but after 1 hour of lifting it seems to be ok from what i can tell if you like to do cardio maybe at least low intensity? high intensity may do something if anything iunno i hope that gives some sort of an idea but do wait for a CL rep

The pumps may actually interfere with cardio, and dehydration / cramping is rare, but possible. Going with WRAATH on cardio only days also gives your CNS a break (important for long term results).

[pu12en12g]

see my bad i apologize for my advice as i assumed it was wrong.

ive taken caffeine before (straight caffeine and have been ok but i know its not the same)

You actually brought up a great question, so no worries. We get this question from athletes alot... they want to be FLOODED at all times

[Marauder63]

You actually brought up a great question, so no worries. We get this question from athletes alot... they want to be FLOODED at all times

thanks i mean he did ask for CL reps i should learn to stop doing that even if my advice is somewhat useable.

[BuckeyeMuscle]

The pumps may actually interfere with cardio, and dehydration / cramping is rare, but possible. Going with WRAATH on cardio only days also gives your CNS a break (important for long term results).

^^^^^
I wouldn't take a product like WF before cardio

[Marauder63]

^^^^^
I wouldn't take a product like WF before cardio

x2 i re read the page with all the info on bb.coms store

had to refresh my memory somewhat:P

[androyd]

1) Coffee is also natural caffeine as far as I know

2) No, save it for gym days only (WRAATH on cardio days)

3) The caffeine amount is about the same as a cup of coffee (proprietary)

1) ok

2) Are you saying it's not safe to take WF on cardio days, period? I'm on PW for intra-WO already. Unfortunately, I do cardio at the gym right after weights, so should I stop taking the WF altogether then if I continue combining weights + cardio? BTW, my first experience with a N.O. was White Blood, which I went through before recently trying WF for the first time. When I was on WB, I took the recommended 3 pills/day pre-WO and workouts were weights + cardio in the same session. The reason I chose WB was because of its non-stim factor, but decided to give WF a try in the hope I could handle it. I'm not saying I can't handle the WF necessarily, but I may be experiencing some tension near my heart area (or I could be overthinking the whole thing potentially and the slight tension feeling may just be a sign of currently being overtrained), but I want to explore all possibilities at this point. That's why I'm asking about the levels of caffeine here. Are there any other stimulant ingredients in WF other than caffeine that could potentially stress the heart too much?

3) Sorry, not familiar with the levels in coffee, how much caffeine exactly per 2 scoops of WF?


Thanks.

[pu12en12g]

2) Are you saying it's not safe to take WF on cardio days, period?

No, it's just not optimal

[Dracoy]

http://coffeetea.about.com/library/blcaffeine.htm

Caffeine in coffee.

Pt, I have a question. The original poster above does cardio and lifts on the same day. That is his routine, should he just stick to PW and not WF because of this?

[user23960508710785]

My estimate is OVER 240mg of Caffeine per serving.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=7604801

[alka8]

http://coffeetea.about.com/library/blcaffeine.htm

Caffeine in coffee.

Pt, I have a question. The original poster above does cardio and lifts on the same day. That is his routine, should he just stick to PW and not WF because of this?

He could just take the WF pre-WO and then run after (PWO). Dosing PW as needed by his body.

No?

[androyd]

My estimate is OVER 240mg of Caffeine per serving.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=7604801

Wow, don't know what to believe now. Is it "a cup of coffee" worth (60-120mg) or is anywhere from 250mg to 375mg like people (seemingly in the know) were debating in the quoted thread? Most importantly, why isn't this info readily available, or simply listed on the container? =\

Dracoy, thx for trying to help bud.

alka8 - that is my routine already.

[Beast2Be]

I've never understood this either. I've emailed several companies asking about the caffeine content in there product but I never get a response. Pretty shady if you can't tell the consumer how much of something is in your product

[Dracoy]

I've never understood this either. I've emailed several companies asking about the caffeine content in there product but I never get a response. Pretty shady if you can't tell the consumer how much of something is in your product

We can't tell you because it is a proprietary blend. So no one else mimics the product. Just know that CL isn't shorting anyone and most people find the amount we have in the blend very good.

I don't drink coffee so I can't help with how much caffeine is in it sorry guys

[Marauder63]

Hey dracoy and Sorry to the OP for possible thread jacking but i want to order a CL t shirt


but i remember being in canada one of the options was screwed up when i tried last time.

i just forgot what to do.

possible to shed any light?

[eldawg]

Wow, don't know what to believe now. Is it "a cup of coffee" worth (60-120mg) or is anywhere from 250mg to 375mg like people (seemingly in the know) were debating in the quoted thread? Most importantly, why isn't this info readily available, or simply listed on the container? =\

Dracoy, thx for trying to help bud.

alka8 - that is my routine already.

The most common amount of caffeine per cup of coffee (as referenced in these forums) is 200mg. Here is another link with some some more precise amounts for various types of coffees:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee#Caffeine_content

[pu12en12g]

Hey dracoy and Sorry to the OP for possible thread jacking but i want to order a CL t shirt


but i remember being in canada one of the options was screwed up when i tried last time.

i just forgot what to do.

possible to shed any light?

Just so Tank and the guys know it's been answered:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...51&postcount=2