Intermittent Fasting for Strength Training and Fat Loss

[AntonioWright]

Agreed on all accounts, and I appreciate everyones honesty. I am the type to suffer from paralysis from analysis. I try to do everything 100% so as not to leave anything to chance.

In regards to adding Jack3d, Ive used it before with on and off results but once Im done with my current prewo stash Ill give it another go. Any other calorie free preworkouts that anyone prefers or has had success with?

Again, thanks all. Reps where I can...

I have had no problems with Scivation Quake 10.0. If you want the tingles just add 2-3 grams of beta alanine.

[2-stroke]

Otw to the gym. The beta aline in my pre workout absorbed in like 5 minutes! Ill let you know how my fast go's.

[makemeslim]

No one here is going to be able to lay a plan out for you, that is something that you are going to need to do yourself. I am glad to see you are giving up Keto. I personally couldnt live like that, and its not carbs its calories that will change your body.

inb4eatingcandyalldaywontchangemycomposition?

Anyway.. figure out your calories on the Calories and Macronutrient sticky..and go from there. Without stats no one knows if you need to lose fat as in you are overweight or if you would benefit more from a recomposition. Also, this thread is for Intermittent Fasting and your question may have been better placed in just "Nutrition" or "Losing Fat" forums.

The more 'leg' work you do before you post (i.e. knowing exactly what you want/need to do or at least have an idea) the more people here can help you

Thanks for your good reply. Your rite i do need to work out my own macros. however i cannot find the sticky your talking about. Is it in this section of the board? Ye i know what you mean about the keto diet, i am actually sick of living like that and miss eating my full veges and fruit. So this is why i need a change.

Also wat is inb4eatingcandyalldaywontchangemycomposition?

I have no idea what you wer referring to. Sorry. If you can give me a link for that macro sticky then i will start working them out.

Thank you

[dulzdulz]

after sending my questions to PBAteman2, I got some point to start using this diet. But I have to prepare anything related to it
I know I will love it because it fits my religious way and it's easy to use. I don't have to eat six meal a day anymore, yeay! LOL

[PBateman2]

after sending my questions to PBAteman2, I got some point to start using this diet. But I have to prepare anything related to it
I know I will love it because it fits my religious way and it's easy to use. I don't have to eat six meal a day anymore, yeay! LOL

Dont forget the Folgers pre-workout...LOL...kidding.

GL. Bust ass. Trian hard.

[FemmeFatale28]

here is the thread you need http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=121703981

and the inb4eatingcandy.......

it was a joke because any time someone around here says "calories in vs calories out" you get some jackass that says " so what you're saying is I could just eat snickers bars all day and as long as I can fit it in my calories and macros I will lose weight" Which the answer is yes but you will look and feel like s#it.

There is always one. So its kinda like.. I was acknowledging it before someone came in and said it.

[2-stroke]

Thanks for the congrats femme and I also suffer from being over anal and over analyzing everything. Are you competing in the 90 day contest?
Maybe my prize pack from ON prize pack will have some bcaa in it lol. The beta alone is the tingling pricking feeling and it really gets you lifting quick lol. My half scoop of assualt still caused my skin to prickle. So ill do it that way.

[soupermayn]

Im starting IF on monday cant wait to start cutting using this method.

Anybody have any input for making healthy chips/fries ? I know you can chop potato's and oven cook them but anybody have any methods to make them taste better?

[dustinh6719]

I am the *same* way. Thats the only reason I gave the advice that I did because at first I was like ' oh... Ive only been fasting 15hrs 30mins, 30 more mins till I break the fast' or ' scared to put anything in my coffee, preWO supps ect ect.. over time though as I got comfortable with everything I just start experimenting.. Jack3d is good. It makes my skin feel prickly until I start working out, and I don't know that I have energy until I start either and then I 'feel' like I go in full beast mode. I like PSU a little better just because you can take it for energy purposes ( even for cardio) but Jack3d is different, you really need to go lift once you take it to get rid of the pickly tingly feeling. (if that makes any sense)

Lol, I had the same problems when I first started, and if I would usually have to choke my last meal down to make sure it was only an 8 hour eating window.

I used to be addicted to Jack3d, srs I felt like shiit all day until I took it and absolutely would not go to the gym without it. Once I finally gave it up though I've never felt better.

Anybody have any input for making healthy chips/fries ? I know you can chop potato's and oven cook them but anybody have any methods to make them taste better?

drizzle olive oil, seasoned salt, and pepper over 'em, bake em at 425 for 20-25 mins. I prefer Sweet Potato Fries myself with cinnamon and brown sugar.

[IrishPilot]

I am the *same* way. Thats the only reason I gave the advice that I did because at first I was like ' oh... Ive only been fasting 15hrs 30mins, 30 more mins till I break the fast' or ' scared to put anything in my coffee, preWO supps ect ect.. over time though as I got comfortable with everything I just start experimenting.. Jack3d is good. It makes my skin feel prickly until I start working out, and I don't know that I have energy until I start either and then I 'feel' like I go in full beast mode. I like PSU a little better just because you can take it for energy purposes ( even for cardio) but Jack3d is different, you really need to go lift once you take it to get rid of the pickly tingly feeling. (if that makes any sense)

See the difference is though, that my preworkout occurs 6 hours before I actually break my fast. Im not talking about preworkout, train, and then postworkout meal. Im talking about preworkout, train, BCAA, and continue several more hours fasted...hence my conern with a 65+ calorie preworkout concoction. Still think your initial thoughts hold weight?

If I were breaking the fast post workout anyway, then sure I wouldnt care...but Im several hours away still during my preworkout phase.

[Wapadaigo]

Beginning my cut after a 16 week bulk.

Would you guys say there is any benefit in starting eca later when I plateau compared to starting it now?

[IrishPilot]

Im starting IF on monday cant wait to start cutting using this method.

Anybody have any input for making healthy chips/fries ? I know you can chop potato's and oven cook them but anybody have any methods to make them taste better?

Take sweet potatoes, chop into chips or fries, sprinkle cinnamon and splenda/truvia/etc on them, bake till desired crispiness. If you have room for the cals and need the fats, add olive oil. Chips are easier to get crisp from what Ive found.

[eriram]

Beginning my cut after a 16 week bulk.

Would you guys say there is any benefit in starting eca later when I plateau compared to starting it now?

Skip the A, that stuff can do some damage when taken frequently. All you really need is the EC, and even then it just kind of helps with hunger suppression. You do feel awesome during the fast with EC though.

[Wapadaigo]

Skip the A, that stuff can do some damage when taken frequently. All you really need is the EC, and even then it just kind of helps with hunger suppression. You do feel awesome during the fast with EC though.

Thanks, but that didn't answer my question lol.

I'll try to explain what im asking better.

When cutting, I usually hit a plateau after several weeks. I was thinking of saving EC stack for getting through that plateau. But that would mean I would NOT benefit from it's help in sparing muscle up to the plateau point.

So should I begin taking EC now, and take it all through out my 16 week cut? or begin later?

[AntonioWright]

Beginning my cut after a 16 week bulk.

Would you guys say there is any benefit in starting eca later when I plateau compared to starting it now?

Only add when needed. You don't want to put everything on the table all at once.

FYI, I am bulking myself via IF.

[chriskav]

Thanks, but that didn't answer my question lol.

I'll try to explain what im asking better.

When cutting, I usually hit a plateau after several weeks. I was thinking of saving EC stack for getting through that plateau. But that would mean I would NOT benefit from it's help in sparing muscle up to the plateau point.

So should I begin taking EC now, and take it all through out my 16 week cut? or begin later?

Most people don't like adding in stims till the near end of their cut as they do seem to work better on those already lean, is the e going to be ephedrine or ephedra?

[AntonioWright]

Hey when someone is trying to lose weight on this method do you guys do Strength training like 3x5 or 5x5 all the time or is there something else??

I am limited to working out 3x a week in the gym , I got a treadmill at home so cardio is covered easily for me and I still am kinda confused about the weight training ...is rippetoes enough to do for the time being?

It depends on your goals. I believe one should build a foundation of strength first. The traditional bodybuilding routine is meant to increase muscle size, not over all strength. Of course you will get stronger but not power lifter strong. I have personally spent far too long trying to look good, now it's time to go back to the basics.

What's the point of having a nice house on a weak ass foundation.

[FemmeFatale28]

See the difference is though, that my preworkout occurs 6 hours before I actually break my fast. Im not talking about preworkout, train, and then postworkout meal. Im talking about preworkout, train, BCAA, and continue several more hours fasted...hence my conern with a 65+ calorie preworkout concoction. Still think your initial thoughts hold weight?

If I were breaking the fast post workout anyway, then sure I wouldnt care...but Im several hours away still during my preworkout phase.

When I first started IF I would do BCAA's + Supp -> train -> cardio and I wouldnt start eating until 4 hours after my cardio session, and a total of 7 hours after I woke up so you will be fine

Beginning my cut after a 16 week bulk.

Would you guys say there is any benefit in starting eca later when I plateau compared to starting it now?

Personally.. I dont take ECA but I am using a thermogenic to help with appetite suppression as I go into my cut because coming out of a bulk into a cut is cruel and unusual punishment Trying to EASE into it isnt helping either.


@ 2-Stroke - Yes I am doing the challenge, I am starting officially Jan 3rd and Im 'fat' as hell right now due to a bulk and some inner demons that were awakened during that time.. so I am ready to do it. I have 100k reasons to do it What was your prize for winning the weekly? An ON supplement package?

[romajc]

I take about 6g Beta-Alanine, 5g Creatine, 6g GABA(i know about bbb), 6g Vit C all split into 3 doses per day.

I think BA and GABA are types of amino acids? Will they effect my fast at all?

[Wapadaigo]

Most people don't like adding in stims till the near end of their cut as they do seem to work better on those already lean, is the e going to be ephedrine or ephedra?

Ephedrine. Why do you ask, What you thinking?

[chriskav]

Ephedrine. Why do you ask, What you thinking?

What will your cycle be looking like?

[foodpr0n]

See the difference is though, that my preworkout occurs 6 hours before I actually break my fast. Im not talking about preworkout, train, and then postworkout meal. Im talking about preworkout, train, BCAA, and continue several more hours fasted...hence my conern with a 65+ calorie preworkout concoction. Still think your initial thoughts hold weight?

If I were breaking the fast post workout anyway, then sure I wouldnt care...but Im several hours away still during my preworkout phase.

Yes take BCAA's.....especially if pwo is that far away.

Martin is pretty damn firm on that.

He also DOES NOT recommend fasted training on just nothing. If people want to do that, obviously it's fine though lol.

But do it like he recommends if you're worried/it's probably the best option? (I dunno, really, I don't train fasted)

6 AM: 5-15 minutes pre-workout: 10 g BCAA.
6-7 AM: Training.
8 AM: 10 g BCAA.
10 AM: 10 g BCAA
12-1 PM: The "real" post-workout meal (largest meal of the day). Start of the 8 hour feeding-window.
8-9 PM: Last meal before the fast.

Then read this and the comments and the links in the post

Early Morning Fasted Training

[2-stroke]

@ femme- not sure yet but its being shipped from ON so I hope it's a bunch of shops so I don't have to buy any next month. Good luck on your challenge, good to see a few IFrs doing the challenge. Its like we have a secret weapon!

[2-stroke]

My plan went well today. I felt great at the gym and lasted until 1 no problems. Can't wait to see where it takes me.

[FemmeFatale28]

@ femme- not sure yet but its being shipped from ON so I hope it's a bunch of shops so I don't have to buy any next month. Good luck on your challenge, good to see a few IFrs doing the challenge. Its like we have a secret weapon!

Oh.. Im about to spank this challenge.. thats all there is to it I might have a layer of fluff right now but there is treasure under there Dont get me wrong... I *hope* I win overall but I *will* be a runner up. haha.. Just sayin'

It would have to be supplements being shipped from ON. Let me know if you get any "fitness fiber", that trips me out. Like really? Whats special about fitness fiber.. how is it different from 'regular' fiber Let me know! I hope I can win contestant of the week or whatever.. I want some free s#it.

[dustinlima]

I have tried this a little bit and it worked well for me. I intend next semester (have already started this break) to really dive in, though not with fasted strength training. No, I will restrict my fasted training to cardio/running, as I believe there are some definite benefits to cardio performed this way.
I will: wake up, class etc, run around at ~11am (depending on schedule), take some bcaas/lil creatine, wait, eat around 5pm, workout at around 7:30pm, and then finish eating at around 10-11pm. I am excited for some recomp.

[Wapadaigo]

What will your cycle be looking like?

Ideally 6 on and 2 off, but in reality prob 6 on 1 and half off hah.

[IrishPilot]

Yes take BCAA's.....especially if pwo is that far away.

Martin is pretty damn firm on that.

He also DOES NOT recommend fasted training on just nothing. If people want to do that, obviously it's fine though lol.

But do it like he recommends if you're worried/it's probably the best option? (I dunno, really, I don't train fasted)



Then read this and the comments and the links in the post

Early Morning Fasted Training

Yup, thats exactly what I follow. The only mystery was whether or not to add in the 20+ cals of a straight-carb preworkout formula like SP250. This is the only thing I have yet to find addressed in writing, and thats why I keep clarifying and asking.

[2-stroke]

Oh.. Im about to spank this challenge.. thats all there is to it I might have a layer of fluff right now but there is treasure under there Dont get me wrong... I *hope* I win overall but I *will* be a runner up. haha.. Just sayin'

It would have to be supplements being shipped from ON. Let me know if you get any "fitness fiber", that trips me out. Like really? Whats special about fitness fiber.. how is it different from 'regular' fiber Let me know! I hope I can win contestant of the week or whatever.. I want some free s#it.

I would laugh if I got a bottle of fiber. Ill give it to my dad, lol.
Im WILL be a runner up. I've found that I melt fat away pretty easy so I hope.I didn't lose much muscle under my blubber.

[foodpr0n]

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