anyone come close to magnusson's DL record as of late?

[bigpae]

Read through his Reddit AMA some time ago and iirc he said that he had no particular interest in doing a powerlifting meet but it was something he might do after he reached his strongman goals, especially if he could set records.

I was the one who asked that in the reddit AMA, he pretty much said that he doesn't care about the powerlifting record because he is not a powerlifter and doesnt train like one so he would be at a disadvantage. It seems like he really couldn't give a **** about the powerlifting record it even though he could potentially break it. IIRC he wasn't even aware of what the powerlifting record was.

[cirion0000]

Seeing some of these videos reminds me that I shouldn't even call myself a powerlifter yet, I'm not even two leagues behind some of these guys...

[breathinglife]

I was the one who asked that in the reddit AMA, he pretty much said that he doesn't care about the powerlifting record because he is not a powerlifter and doesnt train like one so he would be at a disadvantage. It seems like he really couldn't give a **** about the powerlifting record it even though he could potentially break it. IIRC he wasn't even aware of what the powerlifting record was.

I'd guess it more has to do with the fact that he actually probably wouldn't total so much as people think he would if he did a PL meet. People take his best lifts from separate days, done not quite to PL standards (deadlift with straps, bench without a pause, etc.) and add them up and think, "Wow! He could do 2400-2500 easy!"

In actuality, he probably wouldn't total that much in a PL comp. Even WITH straps he lost his 461 kg deadlift because of grip at Europe's strongest man. That tells me he probably will take a huge hit without straps: it seems to be his limiting variable on deadlift.

He is one of the most strong people in the world from a brute strength standpoint. That said, if he won't get money from a PL comp, and probably wouldn't total as much as people think he would, then he has more to lose than he has to gain. A lot of people always are disappointed at big PL meets because the big names don't perform as well as they'd expect. That's why you get all these whiny fans who always pout after RUM or GPA Worlds. They just don't realize that it's extremely difficult to make weight, and hit all these big lifts on one day when you are already in the top 2% of lifters. If you have a bad day you could take a 100 or 200 lb hit on your total EASILY.

So why would Hall do a PL comp if he can't pull that much without straps? People would just be disappointed.

[Trolltongue]

I'm inclined to agree, I do think Eddie could put up some huge numbers in a PL meet if he took his time and trained for it properly but that would take away from his Strongman training and be much less lucrative for him, and if he did end up underperforming it would just be a blow to his image. And I think that, at least to an extent, he is aware of this, which is why I don't think he'll do a powerlifting meet while his Strongman career is still going strong.

[breathinglife]

I'm inclined to agree, I do think Eddie could put up some huge numbers in a PL meet if he took his time and trained for it properly but that would take away from his Strongman training and be much less lucrative for him, and if he did end up underperforming it would just be a blow to his image. And I think that, at least to an extent, he is aware of this, which is why I don't think he'll do a powerlifting meet while his Strongman career is still going strong.

Yeah, and I didn't mean this as a diss to Eddie at all. I'm sure he could easily put up world class numbers, but I just think it wouldn't be quite as much as people are thinking. He could pull "only" 900, and still total over 2200 easily. But when people are throwing around numbers like 2400-2500, that's in a more dubious realm.

[BombDonald]

The thing about Eddie is that he does squats, benches, and deadlifts already, and could just take a Saturday to max his lifts at a local contest without much specific preparation.

It does make sense that he would avoid doing a meet if he didn't think he could actually beat everyone. From the videos he's posted online, it doesn't seem he would be one to back down from something he could make a statement by doing. If he could beat all the top powerlifters, he would probably do it simply to destroy their egos.

I don't think 2400 is completely unreasonable though, and I'm gonna stand by that!

[davidhogan34]

George Leeman is going for 910 (new American deadlift record) in 3 weeks


here's 876 a few weeks ago

[breathinglife]

It's great to see Leeman posting some videos without straps. It looks like hook grip is working well for him. That's the real thing that has held him back--his grip.

Of course, he is not really close to Magnusson--or not any closer than many other fantastic deadlifters--but at his age, he has a ton of potential, and I certainly think the American Record deadlift is a possibility for him.

[breathinglife]

Also, people tend to emphasize how young Leeman is, but he is 22 or 23 at the moment, no? We should recall that when Magnusson was 22 or 23 he was pulling 970 in competition. That's not to take away from Leeman's freakiness, but rather just to emphasize just how crazy Magnusson was for his age.

[arn710]

while Magnusson's 1015 was raw.

Raw with uncalibrated steam roller plates

[cirion0000]

Leeman is wearing the same socks that I wear while deadlifting. I almost feel cool now. Lol

... except my deadlift is about 1/3rd his. Nevermind. Crying in a corner now :P

[Trolltongue]

Also, people tend to emphasize how young Leeman is, but he is 22 or 23 at the moment, no? We should recall that when Magnusson was 22 or 23 he was pulling 970 in competition. That's not to take away from Leeman's freakiness, but rather just to emphasize just how crazy Magnusson was for his age.

Pretty much, in 2005(when he was 22) he pulled 410(903) in an IPF subsidiary singleply meet and 440(970) in a WPO meet(which I believe allows multiply, but I don't know what he wore).

Edit: And his 410 was done in a full comp, btw, think the WPO was deadlift only but I'm not sure.

[breathinglife]

Raw with uncalibrated steam roller plates

You didn't address the other points, however. Bolton's "full meet" wasn't really full meet, which was one of your reasons for citing it as more impressive. Actually, every time I've weighed an uncalibrated plate it has always come out heavier than the weight listed. Therefore, because of logic, I am deciding that Benni's record is even more impressive!1!

Essentially, you were splitting hairs in order to list Bolton's deadlift as "legit" and Benni's as "not legit"--when the reality is that Benni and Bolton have gone head to head, and Benni won.

[breathinglife]

Pretty much, in 2005(when he was 22) he pulled 410(903) in an IPF subsidiary singleply meet and 440(970) in a WPO meet(which I believe allows multiply, but I don't know what he wore).

Edit: And his 410 was done in a full comp, btw, think the WPO was deadlift only but I'm not sure.

WPO was done Bolton style: full meet, but with token lifts on squat and bench.

[breathinglife]

Raw with uncalibrated steam roller plates

Where did you get your info on uncalibrated plates? I checked the Ivanko website, and the plates Katterle uses were calibrated within less than 10 grams. I can't find any record at all that Ivanko even has ever made un-calibrated chrome plates. Their uncalibrated sets aren't chrome.

EDIT: My bad--I can see they have a different set of plates mixed in on the video. Still, I think Magnusson's is significantly more impressive, since Bolton pulls so much less without a suit. The minimal difference resulting from a pair of noncalibrated 45s won't outweigh the ~30 lbs Bolton gets from a suit.

Also, you didn't address the other points. Bolton's "full meet" wasn't really full meet, which was one of your reasons for citing it as more impressive. Essentially, you were splitting hairs in order to list Bolton's deadlift as "legit" and Benni's as "not legit"--when the reality is that Benni and Bolton have gone head to head, and Benni won.

From all my research, it appears that Bolton pulled less, with token lifts, on calibrated plates, while Benni pulled more, on calibrated plates, raw. There isn't really any question to me which is more impressive, but obviously both are great deadlifters.

[dang111]

Even if the plates weren't calibrated the largest tolerance I've seen on plates is +/- 2%. If all the plates had the maximum lightest deviation (extremely unlikely) it's still about 995lbs. Also, Ivanko made the plates and they don't make garbage.

[arn710]

Where did you get your info on uncalibrated plates? I checked the Ivanko website, and the plates Katterle uses were calibrated within less than 10 grams. I can't find any record at all that Ivanko even has ever made un-calibrated chrome plates. Their uncalibrated sets aren't chrome.

EDIT: My bad--I can see they have a different set of plates mixed in on the video. Still, I think Magnusson's is significantly more impressive, since Bolton pulls so much less without a suit. The minimal difference resulting from a pair of noncalibrated 45s won't outweigh the ~30 lbs Bolton gets from a suit.

Also, you didn't address the other points. Bolton's "full meet" wasn't really full meet, which was one of your reasons for citing it as more impressive. Essentially, you were splitting hairs in order to list Bolton's deadlift as "legit" and Benni's as "not legit"--when the reality is that Benni and Bolton have gone head to head, and Benni won.

From all my research, it appears that Bolton pulled less, with token lifts, on calibrated plates, while Benni pulled more, on calibrated plates, raw. There isn't really any question to me which is more impressive, but obviously both are great deadlifters.

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[breathinglife]

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Well, to be honest, the more I argued, the less my heart was in it... certain variables seem more important to some than others. But this thread does reveal some of the problems with fragmentary powerlifting. When records are broken by a teeny bit, the conditions become really important. Bolton and Magnusson's DL records are both amazing--but I do agree that it is difficult to tell what exactly should be the record. Non-calibrated plates are a concern--it'd be like using a really crappy stopwatch to time the 200m dash at the Olympics when the Olympic record depends on 0.0001 second difference. It does seem nitpicky to point out non-calibrated plates, but when you are breaking a record by a pound or two...