2009 Official Arnold Classic MEGA Thread!

[stealth_swimmer]

Victor's legs look very poor

no, they don't look "very poor." They just don't match his huge upper body. He already had this problem before he got injured. Now it's a little worse. The difference between the legs is also slight but it happens to be on the sweep (not a good place to have it, lol) but still doesn't hurt his overall package much. Hopefully he'll get it a little better for the Olympia.

Also, his legs are definitely gonna look "poor" when standing next to Branch and Kai, who got some of the best legs in the whole sport.

[Supersize88]

no, they don't look "very poor." They just don't match his huge upper body. He already had this problem before he got injured. Now it's a little worse. The difference between the legs is also slight but it happens to be on the sweep (not a good place to have it, lol) but still doesn't hurt his overall package much. Hopefully he'll get it a little better for the Olympia.

Also, his legs are definitely gonna look "poor" when standing next to Branch and Kai, who got some of the best legs in the whole sport.

I think everyone is realising that Vic isn't as dominant as we all thought.
He doesn't have the seperation or conditioning of the very top guys.
His calves are very weak, and his quads are weak in relation to not only his upper body, but also to most of the other guys.

IMO Heath has already passed him

[Coal Man]

I think everyone is realising that Vic isn't as dominant as we all thought.
He doesn't have the seperation or conditioning of the very top guys.
His calves are very weak, and his quads are weak in relation to not only his upper body, but also to most of the other guys.

IMO Heath has already passed him

As one of the biggest Heath fans, I will admit Vic is thicker and wider, so it comes down to the old idea of mass vs. aesthetics.

Vic is the same size he was in 2007 so I don't know what the hell you're talking about

[boxer1234]

When does the night show begin?

[J_Bo]

When does the night show begin?

7 EST. I think 6 EST is when the preshow starts....so in a half hour.

[masterjb]

damn, that's a close call for top three, but I would say
1. branch
2.kai
3. victor


Branch looks crazy, didn't even know if he would crack top 8 before I saw thses pics.

[Supersize88]

As one of the biggest Heath fans, I will admit Vic is thicker and wider, so it comes down to the old idea of mass vs. aesthetics.

Vic is the same size he was in 2007 so I don't know what the hell you're talking about

Heath Kills Vic on Conditioning, Seperation, Legs (Especially Calves!)

Heath brings a more complete package in MUCH better condition

Vic has weaknesses that are being exposed tonight

[Coal Man]

Heath Kills Vic on Conditioning, Seperation, Legs (Especially Calves!)

Heath brings a more complete package in MUCH better condition

Vic has weaknesses that are being exposed tonight

Again, you can sit there and nitpick different little categories, and that's cool and all, but whether you like it or not, Vic will make Phil look narrow on stage and that weighs heavily on overall impressions

[douggiefresh21]

Wow Vic is looking massive, especially in his rear lat spread shots.... his leg is noticably different but just like Toney's pec tare... its an injury. I can't believe how big Branch is, how full and thick he is. IMO he has the best defined legs on that stage.

[Entertainment]

idk i greatly dislike branches look. His back is ugly as hell and he looks very unhealthy.... (not that they are judged on looking healthy but its a turn off for me)

x2 and he has small ass arms compared to the others

[GBLynden]

the girl in gold has some nice thickness on those thighs.

She'd have some nice thickness between them if she spent some quality time with me.

[paulmh]

Victor's Front double bicep pose is fantastic..

[stealth_swimmer]

I think everyone is realising that Vic isn't as dominant as we all thought.
He doesn't have the seperation or conditioning of the very top guys.
His calves are very weak, and his quads are weak in relation to not only his upper body, but also to most of the other guys.

IMO Heath has already passed him

His separation ain't of the very top guys' caliber...however he IS in condition and has striations there. He may not have tons of feathering or graininess the way Branch and Kai do. However, as for being dominant, I wasn't thinking he'd be dominant cus now we got some new guys in the lineup and also Branch came in on. However, Vic is still monstrous in size while still having good proportions for the most part and a pretty tiny waist for his size.

As one of the biggest Heath fans, I will admit Vic is thicker and wider, so it comes down to the old idea of mass vs. aesthetics.

Vic is the same size he was in 2007 so I don't know what the hell you're talking about

I agree.

[stealth_swimmer]

She'd have some nice thickness between them if she spent some quality time with me.

lulz

Wow Vic is looking massive, especially in his rear lat spread shots.... his leg is noticably different but just like Toney's pec tare... its an injury. I can't believe how big Branch is, how full and thick he is. IMO he has the best defined legs on that stage.

x2

Victor's Front double bicep pose is fantastic..

yup, and rear lat spread was just crazy. Hard to tell in the pics but in the webcast it was pretty striking.

[mr.anderson]

No way vic wins this show.. kai or branch should take it. and silvio seems to be getting overlooked

[GBLynden]

Ok, after viewing this entire thread I have come to think that Vic has this. Sure his legs are a bit behind his upper body, but Arnold had this same issue. Addtionally, if you compare Vic's leg injury to Kia's ugly build, Vic comes out on top.

Kia and Branch may be harder, but their builds are ugly.

[LevroneFan2002]

Ok, after viewing this entire thread I have come to think that Vic has this. Sure his legs are a bit behind his upper body, but Arnold had this same issue. Addtionally, if you compare Vic's leg injury to Kia's ugly build, Vic comes out on top.

Kia and Branch may be harder, but their builds are ugly.

I kinda agree, it's basically big lower bodies+rippedness vs big upper body+great build. It's a hard one to judge. We could be here forever picking flaws, but it's about weighing it up. Any one of the 3 is a worthy winner IMO.

[j_neatherlin]

Ok, after viewing this entire thread I have come to think that Vic has this. Sure his legs are a bit behind his upper body, but Arnold had this same issue. Addtionally, if you compare Vic's leg injury to Kia's ugly build, Vic comes out on top.

Kia and Branch may be harder, but their builds are ugly.

terrible comparison. the criteria when Arnold was competing vs. now are very different.

[TheSheepdog]

can only tell so much from the video, but what i see is

a flat Toney freeman, that can still win the show, if he just eat and sleep before the night show

A grainy, vascular Branch Warren with odd looking bodyparts and a wide waist that has no seperation

A good looking Victor Martinez, that is not as shredded and grainy as you want him to be, but has a ton of muscle and size

a good looking Johnnie Jackson and Moe Moussawi..............FIXED

The Russian looks pretty damn good too, but we know that they wont give it to him.

A sharpe Kai Greene with a wider waist

A good looking Silvio, but for some reason it never appears that he has the size

Dennis James....if someone could look tiny and huge at the same time, he achieved it this show, not sure what happen.

so anyone from 1-7 could win it

[j_neatherlin]

trying to load up the webcast on my girl's computer (larger screen) but it's not working. i think i need to install an update / plugin, but it's not prompting me to do so.

any tech help here?

[mr.anderson]

Ok, after viewing this entire thread I have come to think that Vic has this. Sure his legs are a bit behind his upper body, but Arnold had this same issue. Addtionally, if you compare Vic's leg injury to Kia's ugly build, Vic comes out on top.

Kia and Branch may be harder, but their builds are ugly.

arnolds upper body dwarfed his legs, and judges didn't care about legs then..remember tom platz.. vics legs are off.. kai beats vic in most areas and warrens conditioning puts him in the mix.. vic may win but it's all politics if he does

[Coal Man]

terrible comparison. the criteria when Arnold was competing vs. now are very different.

Kai and Branch have exceptionally huge legs due to their genetics.

Victor's legs are fine, they are just smaller than the largest.

[TheSheepdog]

trying to load up the webcast on my girl's computer (larger screen) but it's not working. i think i need to install an update / plugin, but it's not prompting me to do so.

any tech help here?

yea there's some window's media thing that you have to install with the active x control

you need to go to your tools, internet options, advanced and then its somewhere in there that you need to change

[j_neatherlin]

can only tell so much from the video, but what i see is

a flat Toney freeman, that can still win the show, if he just eat and sleep before the night show

A grainy, vascular Branch Warren with odd looking bodyparts and a wide waist that has no seperation

A good looking Victor Martinez, that is not as shredded and grainy as you want him to be, but has a ton of muscle and size

a good looking Dexter Jackson and Moe Moussawi

The Russian looks pretty damn good too, but we know that they wont give it to him.

A sharpe Kai Greene with a wider waist

A good looking Silvio, but for some reason it never appears that he has the size

Dennis James....if someone could look tiny and huge at the same time, he achieved it this show, not sure what happen.

so anyone from 1-7 could win it

i think it's realistically between Vic and Kai.

Kai if you want the biggest hardest guy who did his homework

Vic if you prefer a more aesthetic look and are willing to gift someone who didn't come into the show in peak condition.

[j_neatherlin]

Kai and Branch have exceptionally huge legs due to their genetics.

Victor's legs are fine, they are just smaller than the largest.

it appears to me that his legs are somewhat down from his injury. you could be right though...i haven't looked back to his older pics

[DesireToGrow]

can only tell so much from the video, but what i see is

a flat Toney freeman, that can still win the show, if he just eat and sleep before the night show

A grainy, vascular Branch Warren with odd looking bodyparts and a wide waist that has no seperation

A good looking Victor Martinez, that is not as shredded and grainy as you want him to be, but has a ton of muscle and size

a good looking Dexter Jackson and Moe Moussawi

The Russian looks pretty damn good too, but we know that they wont give it to him.

A sharpe Kai Greene with a wider waist

A good looking Silvio, but for some reason it never appears that he has the size

Dennis James....if someone could look tiny and huge at the same time, he achieved it this show, not sure what happen.

so anyone from 1-7 could win it

Dexter Jackson? lol You must be watching a different Arnold than me ! Give me your linkk!

[Loctus]

can only tell so much from the video, but what i see is

a flat Toney freeman, that can still win the show, if he just eat and sleep before the night show

A grainy, vascular Branch Warren with odd looking bodyparts and a wide waist that has no seperation

A good looking Victor Martinez, that is not as shredded and grainy as you want him to be, but has a ton of muscle and size

a good looking Dexter Jackson and Moe Moussawi

The Russian looks pretty damn good too, but we know that they wont give it to him.

A sharpe Kai Greene with a wider waist

A good looking Silvio, but for some reason it never appears that he has the size

Dennis James....if someone could look tiny and huge at the same time, he achieved it this show, not sure what happen.

so anyone from 1-7 could win it

wat

[mr.anderson]

i guess i see things differently.. but silvio looks bigger, his rear lat spread is impressive. i would have him in the top 3. silvio is ripped as usual and bigger..

[TheSheepdog]

wat

LOL, FIXED

i was watching 07

[j_neatherlin]

can't get it to work, but it's running on my laptop, so i'll roll with it!