Middle East aside, I've always found it amusing to see people protesting corporate capitalism, Big Oil, Big Pharma, military industrial production, and the like. They when you ask them, "Do you have a 401k?" "Of course," they say. "Have you looked at the individual corporation breakdown of your mutual funds?" Most will say, "Oh no, I let the investment experts handle that."
In most cases, these activists are profiting from the very things they are protesting against.
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05-01-2024, 05:08 AM #61
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05-01-2024, 08:32 AM #62
Quite probably, I'm not up to speed on US politics or what's happening in the US, so happy to be corrected/advised. While there are some pro Palestinian demonstrations (which aren't exactly anti Israeli, but it can be hard to distinguish that) I don't think it's in the same scale as US from what you're showing in this thread. Not just students then...
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05-01-2024, 08:47 AM #63
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05-01-2024, 09:36 AM #64𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
ƚo| ɒ ꙅɿɘʞʞuꟻ bᴎɒ ɿɘʞʞuꟻ ꙅᴎuoᴎoɿq ɿɘbᴎɘǫ ɘʜƚ ɘꙅu I
𝕀 𝕕𝕠𝕟'𝕥 𝕒𝕝𝕨𝕒𝕪𝕤 𝕒𝕘𝕣𝕖𝕖 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕞𝕖𝕞𝕖𝕤 𝕀 𝕡𝕠𝕤𝕥
🄸 🅃🄴🄻🄻 🄸🅃 🄻🄸🄺🄴 🄸🅃 🄸🅂, 🄸🄵 🅈🄾🅄 🅆🄰🄽🅃 🅂🄼🄾🄺🄴 🄱🄻🄾🅆🄽 🅄🄿 🅈🄾🅄🅁 🄰🅂🅂 🄾🅁 🅂🄾🄼🄴🅃🄷🄸🄽🄶 🅂🅄🄶🄰🅁 🄲🄾🄰🅃🄴🄳. 🄸 🅂🅄🄶🄶🄴🅂🅃 🅈🄾🅄 🄶🄴🅃 🄰 🄷🄾🄾🄺🄴🅁 🄰🄽🄳 🄰 🄿🄾🅆🄳🄴🅁🄴🄳 🄳🄾🄽🅄🅃
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05-01-2024, 10:01 AM #65
Maddening. Some media will not even report it because they support anti-Israel, but report the protests as mostly peaceful.
As a professional and paid agitator, she gets alerts whenever there is a large protest, like BLM, George Floyd, etc. Add mentally weak and unstable.Helping one person may not change the world, but it could change the world for one person.
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05-01-2024, 06:08 PM #66
I don’t know this person and maybe she is what you say she is. I did a google search and I disagree but I could be wrong. But I do know people who are in a similar situation and have spent a good bit of their life fighting for things they believe in. It happens. Yes they are left, libertarian, anarchist, whatever, they see a different world than you. Doesn’t mean they are a paid actor or that they are mentally unwell.
"it's likely one of us will have to spend some days alone"
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05-01-2024, 07:20 PM #67
I was speaking about her and not a blanket statement. I do believe that she believes in her causes.
Aside from Google, this is her X account: https://twitter.com/FithianLisa
This is her website: https://shutitdownnow.org/upcoming-events/
From her first paragraph: The Shut It Down Book and Training Tour continues in 2020! I’m excited to continue to carry my stories and lessons to new communities organizing resistance to climate injustice, fascism, migrant detention, attacks on reproductive justice and more.
Yes, I criticize people like this because she questions the validity of nothing and accepts every new hoax and warped interpretations of current events that the far-left cooks up. It is fine to be concerned about the environment and the cyclical changing of the climate, but to think it is all the result of man and that man can reverse it without the major powers contributing, gutting our energy resources and economy, is a little over the top. What "climate injustice?"
Where is the fascism? Migrant detention? Attacks on reproductive justice? She trains people to be anarchists. I don't think that is far fetched.
She may or may not be a paid actor, but there are some who are and who all of the sudden show up to fan the flames.
You can fight without violence and without promoting violence. If you see her X account, she does not have many followers. Most comments from people do not support much of what she posts.
There is far left and far right and she is way far left. I believe in free speech, but promoting violence and anarchy is wrong and not a productive way to get your viewpoint seriously heard.Helping one person may not change the world, but it could change the world for one person.
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05-01-2024, 07:42 PM #68
Understood. The misc isn’t necessarily the place we can present a complete thought or argument. The above criticism is more in depth than “she is a paid actor who is mentally unstable”. I don’t necessarily agree with everything you said but I do appreciate the explanation.
"it's likely one of us will have to spend some days alone"
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05-02-2024, 02:49 AM #69
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCNsuG8cu1A
It's about to go down at UCLA, Batons are out, lets see what happens.
I predict the National Guard or other Military assets will be deployed if this doesn't work.. Support for the protestors grew outside the compound overnight!𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
ƚo| ɒ ꙅɿɘʞʞuꟻ bᴎɒ ɿɘʞʞuꟻ ꙅᴎuoᴎoɿq ɿɘbᴎɘǫ ɘʜƚ ɘꙅu I
𝕀 𝕕𝕠𝕟'𝕥 𝕒𝕝𝕨𝕒𝕪𝕤 𝕒𝕘𝕣𝕖𝕖 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕞𝕖𝕞𝕖𝕤 𝕀 𝕡𝕠𝕤𝕥
🄸 🅃🄴🄻🄻 🄸🅃 🄻🄸🄺🄴 🄸🅃 🄸🅂, 🄸🄵 🅈🄾🅄 🅆🄰🄽🅃 🅂🄼🄾🄺🄴 🄱🄻🄾🅆🄽 🅄🄿 🅈🄾🅄🅁 🄰🅂🅂 🄾🅁 🅂🄾🄼🄴🅃🄷🄸🄽🄶 🅂🅄🄶🄰🅁 🄲🄾🄰🅃🄴🄳. 🄸 🅂🅄🄶🄶🄴🅂🅃 🅈🄾🅄 🄶🄴🅃 🄰 🄷🄾🄾🄺🄴🅁 🄰🄽🄳 🄰 🄿🄾🅆🄳🄴🅁🄴🄳 🄳🄾🄽🅄🅃
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05-02-2024, 02:56 AM #70
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05-02-2024, 03:03 AM #71𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
ƚo| ɒ ꙅɿɘʞʞuꟻ bᴎɒ ɿɘʞʞuꟻ ꙅᴎuoᴎoɿq ɿɘbᴎɘǫ ɘʜƚ ɘꙅu I
𝕀 𝕕𝕠𝕟'𝕥 𝕒𝕝𝕨𝕒𝕪𝕤 𝕒𝕘𝕣𝕖𝕖 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕞𝕖𝕞𝕖𝕤 𝕀 𝕡𝕠𝕤𝕥
🄸 🅃🄴🄻🄻 🄸🅃 🄻🄸🄺🄴 🄸🅃 🄸🅂, 🄸🄵 🅈🄾🅄 🅆🄰🄽🅃 🅂🄼🄾🄺🄴 🄱🄻🄾🅆🄽 🅄🄿 🅈🄾🅄🅁 🄰🅂🅂 🄾🅁 🅂🄾🄼🄴🅃🄷🄸🄽🄶 🅂🅄🄶🄰🅁 🄲🄾🄰🅃🄴🄳. 🄸 🅂🅄🄶🄶🄴🅂🅃 🅈🄾🅄 🄶🄴🅃 🄰 🄷🄾🄾🄺🄴🅁 🄰🄽🄳 🄰 🄿🄾🅆🄳🄴🅁🄴🄳 🄳🄾🄽🅄🅃
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05-02-2024, 07:22 PM #72
Let's riot:
The Climate is Gonna Change by either freezing over or melting for the past 50 years.
https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status...03966030934478
The media has been informed to racialize - everything. One party is 100% racist and the other party is 100% Pure, because we said so. Hasn't always been like this.
Transgender "women" must be allowed to compete against biological women because we want to cancel real women and ruin women's sports. Drag Queens have to be at every kindergarten to teach kids about male genitals.
Let's now defund the police in major cities and see what happens
Let's raise taxes even more on the rich. They won't leave our State - ooops.
All the above is driving the exodus away from shiithole cities and States that don't want peace and prosperity. They like living in shiitholes and yelling and screaming and being pissed off at whatever the politicians and media says the talking points are this week.
To me, it proves that politicians and the media love chaos because it gives them something to write about and to further stoke division and hate.
In the Superbowl, there are two teams and fans are rabid for their teams. But, after the 4th quarter, the game is over and fans calm down.
Our society now, as opposed to pre-4-years ago, is like rabid people against rabid people, but it never, ever ends.
Over the past 4 years, most people now are defined by their politics and many are defined by their gender identities instead of being defined for being a nice person or for their work or dedication to their families.
Used to, politicians never talked about the other side's people. Now, they talk about them as if they are dirt and horrible people as a whole.
Sad times we live in.
Politicians, media and foreign governments and our government know what they have done. No turning back.Helping one person may not change the world, but it could change the world for one person.
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05-02-2024, 09:55 PM #73
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05-03-2024, 03:48 AM #74
You don't take down the US Flag and replace it with a Palestinian flag...
That fukker needs to be dealt with pronto.𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
ƚo| ɒ ꙅɿɘʞʞuꟻ bᴎɒ ɿɘʞʞuꟻ ꙅᴎuoᴎoɿq ɿɘbᴎɘǫ ɘʜƚ ɘꙅu I
𝕀 𝕕𝕠𝕟'𝕥 𝕒𝕝𝕨𝕒𝕪𝕤 𝕒𝕘𝕣𝕖𝕖 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕞𝕖𝕞𝕖𝕤 𝕀 𝕡𝕠𝕤𝕥
🄸 🅃🄴🄻🄻 🄸🅃 🄻🄸🄺🄴 🄸🅃 🄸🅂, 🄸🄵 🅈🄾🅄 🅆🄰🄽🅃 🅂🄼🄾🄺🄴 🄱🄻🄾🅆🄽 🅄🄿 🅈🄾🅄🅁 🄰🅂🅂 🄾🅁 🅂🄾🄼🄴🅃🄷🄸🄽🄶 🅂🅄🄶🄰🅁 🄲🄾🄰🅃🄴🄳. 🄸 🅂🅄🄶🄶🄴🅂🅃 🅈🄾🅄 🄶🄴🅃 🄰 🄷🄾🄾🄺🄴🅁 🄰🄽🄳 🄰 🄿🄾🅆🄳🄴🅁🄴🄳 🄳🄾🄽🅄🅃
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05-03-2024, 07:09 AM #75
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05-03-2024, 08:16 AM #76
You got all the time in the world, go handle it instead of pissing and moaning here.
Step up! Are you expecting the police to handle it? Once the country changes, your police will be on the wrong side. You don’t need your pension, you have all the fresh fish you could ever ask for.
Go get ‘em!!! If you need me and NG, let us know!Autenic Kights Sing Hevy Stel and Hav Hands and Wriss of Steel!
Ant-Traitonal Pograms, Studet of Instinc Traiing
"The Mucle Feds Isef"- LWW
"Rily [LST NAME]............"
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05-03-2024, 08:30 AM #77
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05-03-2024, 08:58 AM #78
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05-03-2024, 09:36 AM #79
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05-03-2024, 10:14 AM #80
Disturbing ^^^^^^^
Yeah, the legit kids protesting are being used as pawns for a bigger agenda imo
Police say they found what they described as makeshift weapons inside the library. Allen described balloons filled with paint, bamboo sticks and a “bucket of ball bearings.” Allen said officers couldn’t be sure what each item’s intended use was, but noted a spray bottle full of ink had a note attached saying it was “supposed to be deployed at officers.”
𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
ƚo| ɒ ꙅɿɘʞʞuꟻ bᴎɒ ɿɘʞʞuꟻ ꙅᴎuoᴎoɿq ɿɘbᴎɘǫ ɘʜƚ ɘꙅu I
𝕀 𝕕𝕠𝕟'𝕥 𝕒𝕝𝕨𝕒𝕪𝕤 𝕒𝕘𝕣𝕖𝕖 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕞𝕖𝕞𝕖𝕤 𝕀 𝕡𝕠𝕤𝕥
🄸 🅃🄴🄻🄻 🄸🅃 🄻🄸🄺🄴 🄸🅃 🄸🅂, 🄸🄵 🅈🄾🅄 🅆🄰🄽🅃 🅂🄼🄾🄺🄴 🄱🄻🄾🅆🄽 🅄🄿 🅈🄾🅄🅁 🄰🅂🅂 🄾🅁 🅂🄾🄼🄴🅃🄷🄸🄽🄶 🅂🅄🄶🄰🅁 🄲🄾🄰🅃🄴🄳. 🄸 🅂🅄🄶🄶🄴🅂🅃 🅈🄾🅄 🄶🄴🅃 🄰 🄷🄾🄾🄺🄴🅁 🄰🄽🄳 🄰 🄿🄾🅆🄳🄴🅁🄴🄳 🄳🄾🄽🅄🅃
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05-03-2024, 10:33 AM #81
Here in Chapel Hill the protest had been peaceful for days because there had been dialogue. After initially putting up tents, protesters asked for a meeting with the chancellor to take them down. The chancellor met with them. He and other administrators were in dialogue with them. They had taken the tents down (which is what they needed to do to avoid running afoul of university policy)
For whatever reason on Sunday the tents went back up- which is what brought the initial police response. Then, after the initial bout of arrests and clearing of their encampment they returned and took down the US flag and replaced it with a Palestinian flag. Added to that the flags in NC at the time were flying half-mast to honor four officers killed in Charlotte. These people are making it really easy to dislike them.
I haven’t seen any statement from the protestors but I’m guessing the escalation was likely due to folks who weren’t in the initial protest and most likely not affiliated with the university."it's likely one of us will have to spend some days alone"
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05-03-2024, 10:34 AM #82
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05-03-2024, 12:40 PM #83
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05-03-2024, 12:47 PM #84
The delusional Don the Con agrees, too damn funny-
https://thehill.com/homenews/educati...-protests/amp/Autenic Kights Sing Hevy Stel and Hav Hands and Wriss of Steel!
Ant-Traitonal Pograms, Studet of Instinc Traiing
"The Mucle Feds Isef"- LWW
"Rily [LST NAME]............"
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05-03-2024, 01:28 PM #85
Exactly
Great first hand account 7. Yep, the flag stunts aren't doing them any favors.
The head of a university in Iran is reportedly offering scholarships to students in the U.S. who have been expelled for taking part in pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campuses.𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
ƚo| ɒ ꙅɿɘʞʞuꟻ bᴎɒ ɿɘʞʞuꟻ ꙅᴎuoᴎoɿq ɿɘbᴎɘǫ ɘʜƚ ɘꙅu I
𝕀 𝕕𝕠𝕟'𝕥 𝕒𝕝𝕨𝕒𝕪𝕤 𝕒𝕘𝕣𝕖𝕖 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕞𝕖𝕞𝕖𝕤 𝕀 𝕡𝕠𝕤𝕥
🄸 🅃🄴🄻🄻 🄸🅃 🄻🄸🄺🄴 🄸🅃 🄸🅂, 🄸🄵 🅈🄾🅄 🅆🄰🄽🅃 🅂🄼🄾🄺🄴 🄱🄻🄾🅆🄽 🅄🄿 🅈🄾🅄🅁 🄰🅂🅂 🄾🅁 🅂🄾🄼🄴🅃🄷🄸🄽🄶 🅂🅄🄶🄰🅁 🄲🄾🄰🅃🄴🄳. 🄸 🅂🅄🄶🄶🄴🅂🅃 🅈🄾🅄 🄶🄴🅃 🄰 🄷🄾🄾🄺🄴🅁 🄰🄽🄳 🄰 🄿🄾🅆🄳🄴🅁🄴🄳 🄳🄾🄽🅄🅃
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05-03-2024, 03:47 PM #86
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05-03-2024, 05:01 PM #87𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
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05-03-2024, 05:52 PM #88
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05-03-2024, 06:48 PM #89
Is it possible the idea behind “queers for Palestine” is that they can be against innocent civilians being killed, even if those civilians live in a nation that persecutes gay people. I am not saying these folks understand all the history involved or have a complete understanding of the conflict. But it doesn’t seem as far fetched as you guys make it out to be.
Although I don’t necessarily see why the queer needs to be mentioned in the first place. If you support the Palestinian cause, support the Palestinian cause. It should be about the Palestinians. Not about you being queer.Last edited by 7Seconds; 05-03-2024 at 06:59 PM.
"it's likely one of us will have to spend some days alone"
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05-03-2024, 09:43 PM #90
They link the two because it is about virtue signaling. I figured you'd picked up on that when you rightly observed that the entire divestment premise was pragmatically impossible -- they want to put on an impressive display of virtue, but I guarantee you that not a single one of them would give up their iPhones or live with the real consequences of what they advocate. Although the oppressor/oppressed narrative leads to the path of righteousness and standing against the oppressors will carry you to the gates of heaven -- nothing will swing open those pearly gates like also being a member of an oppressed group yourself. This is why you get things like "queers for Palestine". I think deep down you know this.
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
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