If you can't afford to TIP, you can't afford to EAT (pic)

[hermes3893]

donblaximus, is your restaurant cash only?

[donblaximus]

I'd happily get my cooked food that I paid for myself from the chef, but of course restaurants don't let you do that. They make you stay a table, and charge you a 20% tax.

Sure they do, go to Lubys, McDonald's and KFC and you will be getting your food from the "chef" or close to it without having to tip.

[healtyfollicle]

ex-communist citizen checking in

leave tip only to waitress

always never when eating alone, almost always otherwise

always pay with credit card to avoid embarassing moment with change crew

[AK1615]

In most places, servers tip out a percentage to the bussers and the bar. Sometimes even the kitchen in smaller restaurants.

[Rambostyne]

I'd happily get my cooked food that I paid for myself from the chef, but of course restaurants don't let you do that. They make you stay a table, and charge you a 20% tax.

And everyday, millions of Americans happily open up their wallets and pay! Capitalism strikes again!

[LivingyourLife]

Believe me when I tell you that food prices are set to the highest amount the owner can get away with without losing business. The equilibrium is already set, so if a restaurants OPEX goes up, the prices go up or the restaurant owner eats into his margins.

Im not an idiot businesses arent charities. Everyone trying to make money will charge the most they can get away with. But lol if you think the situation is so black and white that if waiters and waitresses were paid a little more and tipping culture sways that prices are guaranteed to sky rocket.

brb hypothetical situation which would have a HUGE dialog and laws and other things set up for it to change.

[Rambostyne]

What if I want good food. Why must I pay someone to bring it to me? Servers should be options at an additional cost, not requirements.

Why not stay home and make a sandwich at a fraction of the cost?

[veggie530]

I'll be honest, repped. I don't mind people who don't tip it's obviously their choice... but good point.

[YWOC]

The fact that restaurants are legally allowed to pay their staff below minimum wage just shows you how the American government is owned and controlled by corporations.

[donblaximus]

What if I want good food. Why must I pay someone to bring it to me? Servers should be options at an additional cost, not requirements.

Plenty of options there too. Either cook it yourself or hire a personal chef. There are a ton for hire and you won't have to pay a waiter to bring you the food.

Would you be cool going to a restaurant where random people go to the kitchen where YOUR FOOD is being prepared so they can grab their food? I'm sure the health inspector would love that

[donblaximus]

Im not an idiot businesses arent charities. Everyone trying to make money will charge the most they can get away with. But lol if you think the situation is so black and white that if waiters and waitresses were paid a little more and tipping culture sways that prices are guaranteed to sky rocket.

brb hypothetical situation which would have a HUGE dialog and laws and other things set up for it to change.

Where in any of this conversation have I used the term sky rocket? They will go up commiserate with the pay. And trust me when I say some professional waiters make over 6 figures easily in a nice restaurant.

[iLiRaM]

There is a thing called going ABOVE and BEYOND. The job of a waiter is typically to serve the food and keep he drinks filled. But if a waiter takes extra time to understand what wine pairs well with certain dishes, when they understand TIMING of when to bring things out, it's worth the extra effort and they should be compensated for it.

you're repeating the same thing i stated. the servers should get paid to "serve food in a professional, courteous manner"


it's either you know how to do your job, or you don't. if a server has year of experience and is very quick to get customers in and out...give them a raise.


if you don't have enough customers to pay your employees a fair wage and charge more for the food instead, your restaurant sucks and you need to find a new business venture. your restaurant should be full most hours of operation.

[Rambostyne]

The fact that restaurants are legally allowed to pay their staff below minimum wage just shows you how the American government is owned and controlled by corporations.

Doesn't it show how the American government has less control over certain businesses? There shouldn't even be a minimum wage law. Any wage rate is willingly agreed upon by the employer and employee.

[donblaximus]

The fact that restaurants are legally allowed to pay their staff below minimum wage just shows you how the American government is owned and controlled by corporations.

When I was a waiter in college I preferred to have an incentivized pay structure just as when I worked in sales for the corp world. I preferred to have a highly leveraged comp plan. Basically, don't pay me schiet if I don't deliver but reward me handsomely when I knock it out of the park.

[Rambostyne]

you're repeating the same thing i stated. the servers should get paid to "serve food in a professional, courteous manner"


it's either you know how to do your job, or you don't. if a server has year of experience and is very quick to get customers in and out...give them a raise.


if you don't have enough customers to pay your employees a fair wage and charge more for the food instead, your restaurant sucks and you need to find a new business venture. your restaurant should be full most hours of operation.

I remember reading that "your business sucks" chapter during my college years. Maybe we had the same textbook.

[TommyRO]

Tip me *******s my beef Wellington is superb didn't read chit op is a *******

[Rambostyne]

your restaurant should be full most hours of operation.

I almost overlooked this. Find me a restaurant that fulfills this demand. You can find this info on Google.

[OnDatPhaggyTyme]

i can afford to gib u dis tip if u gunna eat dis dik nomsayian brow

[donblaximus]

you're repeating the same thing i stated. the servers should get paid to "serve food in a professional, courteous manner"


it's either you know how to do your job, or you don't. if a server has year of experience and is very quick to get customers in and out...give them a raise.


if you don't have enough customers to pay your employees a fair wage and charge more for the food instead, your restaurant sucks and you need to find a new business venture. your restaurant should be full most hours of operation.

What is your opinion of a professional and courteous? That's all relative....right?
Let's say I order an $80 ribeye, Not cheap but not to crazy like some rare wagyu......If I ask the waiter what wine I should pair it with, the standard answer would be any kind of red wine. But let's say another waiter took the initiative to really study the restaurant's wine, and understood more intricately exactly which red to pair with the ribeye, and thus it makes my meal much better. I'm happy to tip the waiter extra. That's going above and beyond.

[iLiRaM]

I almost overlooked this. Find me a restaurant that fulfills this demand. You can find this info on Google.

i have worked at many restaurants as a teen. there is some downtime between breakfast, lunch, and dinner. but during those hours the house should be full. do you know what the success rate for restaurants are? very very low. the reason for that is because you need constant business to make it in the restaurant business. the whole paying servers two dollars and using tips as a crutch thing will only get you so far. all popular restaurants with the best food are always booked.

[LivingyourLife]

Where in any of this conversation have I used the term sky rocket? They will go up commiserate with the pay. And trust me when I say some professional waiters make over 6 figures easily in a nice restaurant.

When you responded to my comment in which I said "stupidly high prices" it was inferred. Sounds like you were talking about something I wasn't.

Waiters working in nice restaurants aren't really what most of these people are worried about either. The people in this thread complaining are not going to those super high end restaurants. Nor do I believe those waiters are getting paid below minimum wage to start with. I also don't believe personally they should be getting paid that much in the first place, but thats a separate discussion.

[aragon416]

Just don't complain when a cheeseburger costs $15.00.

Either way, your meal will come out to the same amount, within a couple bucks. Except in the situation where the servers are aware their income is not in any way based upon your individual experience that night you probably won't have that great of a time.

that moment when burgers are already $15+ in most restaurants in Canada and you are expected to tip on top of that LOL

[gluon]

lmao @ "waiters only make $2-3/hr in wages and bypass federal min wage law"

if you are dumb enough to believe this, you deserve to be sterilized.

NO worker can be paid less than min wage period. sure their wages are $2-3 per hour, but if they dont make enough in tips to reach an equivalent min wage, they are paid the difference. They will always make at-least min wage.

[donblaximus]

So you're saying the 20% is a tax on the protection of my food now, that I'm already paying 4x the cost for?

FYI successful restaurants have systems where you're notified that your meals are ready.

I'm saying, I'll gladly pay 20% to keep people that shouldn't be in the kitchen near my food out of the kitchen based on your solution of letting the patrons get their own food. Don't turn this on me, you are e one that came up with the asinine suggestion.

If you are salty about paying 4x the cost, then stay home? Problem solved.

[DoYouEvenNEM]

you're repeating the same thing i stated. the servers should get paid to "serve food in a professional, courteous manner"


it's either you know how to do your job, or you don't. if a server has year of experience and is very quick to get customers in and out...give them a raise.


if you don't have enough customers to pay your employees a fair wage and charge more for the food instead, your restaurant sucks and you need to find a new business venture. your restaurant should be full most hours of operation.

lol yeah right. A male waiter could do all those things and still get less tips than a lazy bish showing boobs.

[imbored21]

I don't mind tipping waiters but ****ing lol @ restaurant cashiers asking for tips these days.

[iLiRaM]

What is your opinion of a professional and courteous? That's all relative....right?
Let's say I order an $80 ribeye, Not cheap but not to crazy like some rare wagyu......If I ask the waiter what wine I should pair it with, the standard answer would be any kind of red wine. But let's say another waiter took the initiative to really study the restaurant's wine, and understood more intricately exactly which red to pair with the ribeye, and thus it makes my meal much better. I'm happy to tip the waiter extra. That's going above and beyond.

as a restaurant manager it is your responsibility to lay out the responsibilities for the wait staff. it is your job to make sure everyone knows how to make the drinks, etc. etc.

hire qualified people with good references, and train your new employees well. and test them.

if a restaurant requires knowing how to pair wines, you need to make sure your staff knows how to do that.

[Rambostyne]

i have worked at many restaurants as a teen. there is some downtime between breakfast, lunch, and dinner. but during those hours the house should be full. do you know what the success rate for restaurants are? very very low. the reason for that is because you need constant business to make it in the restaurant business. the whole paying servers two dollars and using tips as a crutch thing will only get you so far. all popular restaurants with the best food are always booked.

Worked at many restaurants is code for kept getting fired, right?

[Wakaaa]

The whole percentage thing is somewhat strange. A meal for 4 at a dine in restaurant here can be say 58 after tax, yet going to a restaurant that has 30+ dollar plates with 2 people would put a person at 60 before tax.. The meal for 4 obviously required more effort and work by the server, than the 30+ dollar plates for 2 people. I think tipping should be subjective. If I'm doing well and happy, then why not. I wouldn't do it because I'm expected. I'm doing it to help them out, hopefully they're thankful and it's good to help knowing they appreciate your generosity.

Expecting something such as tip is the way of saying I deserve handouts or am entitled. Restaurant owners can afford to pay their servers 10 an hour, if need be. If they have to raise their food prices or whatever, less customers will come in. The owner should and will remain keeping his food at the same price. Nobody is asking you to settle for such a job. If you're dependent on others generosity or feel like you should be given, that's wrong. I think people who don't tip would gladly pick up their food from the counter themselves when it's ready (after they pay).

I remember some waitress cried after she 100% messed up our payment. Said heres the 50 cash put that towards the bill after swiping the cards, she ended up charging less than half on the card and didn't bring back change. She 100% goofed. Cried after we walked out + my friend walked back in to tip her. She felt entitled. You didn't get a tip because you seriously messed up + costed me/my friends a hassle with sorting things out. The whole point of charging cards first and remainder in cash was because the remainder of cash would have been a tip but since she messed up, there was no cash left and it really messed up things with sorting it out amongst friends. Some guys paid way too little on card and all they had was card while the guys who threw in cash ended up paying majority.

Some delivery guy recently brought food to my work, mind you I work part time and I don't get paid the most. Puts my food down, I give him the money for the food and says "eh so no tip" then I was like I'll give you tip obviously. I pull out my wallet and by the time I look up the old man was gone. You drove less than .5 miles and charged me 3.50 for delivering the order already, if I feel the need to tip you, I will. Don't ask for it like it's a handout or you're entitled to it just because that's what YOU rely on.

[Rambostyne]

that moment when burgers are already $15+ in most restaurants in Canada and you are expected to tip on top of that LOL

Yeah, after I posted that I was like, wait a minute...