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    Originally Posted by TFMOA View Post
    I know where you're going with this OP but I think you just worded it wrongly... Truth is no one really actually understands time... Time is basically the measure from one event to another, but time isn't the same everywhere... Time is affected by gravity and speed, very strange.. And I think what you're trying to say about the dog or other animals not knowing about time is because they are not self aware, they are constantly in the present moment, so a clock or even time in general is basically useless... Also, about the bugs and such, circadian rhythm. Time is very interesting though, and I do enjoy delving into its mysteries from time to time, pardon the pun..
    Einstein described the way in which time works over 100 years ago.
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    Originally Posted by Dan_S View Post
    This right here. All your thoughts are just electrical impulses. Once the electricity turns off, your consciousness is gone. There's no "floating outside your body" because there's no electrical impulses being sent to your brain anymore.

    And I have no idea how you can say animals don't have a sense of time. My dog begs me for a walk at the same damn time every single day. She knows it's walk time.
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    Originally Posted by dtugg View Post
    Einstein described the way in which time works over 100 years ago.
    References please... Are you speaking about space time? Or how time is relative? That is still not truly understanding time or how it works..
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    Originally Posted by dtugg View Post
    You could say that theory we use to describe time is a man made construct, but time itself, nope, nonsense.
    What you have done is highlight the disconnect and pitfall of a system of symbols (words) that is used to describe the natural world, and, by doing so, you have also proven just how limited the man-made constructs can be when used to describe the natural order.
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    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    When your brain believes that you are near death it releases a massive dose of DMT. Basically, every near death experience is just someone tripping balls.
    This lady died in hospital...next day doctor walks in and she is awake and tells him she had NDE...she tells him that while in NDE she traveled to Arkansas and there was this building 500 feet tall and on top of the building right around the edge she saw a red sock.

    Now..doctor was skeptical and didn't believe her..to check that they traveled to Arkansas and they took elevator to that building...walked to the edge and guess what was there? A red sock


    DMT? ..I don't think so chief


    I've taken DMT and it feels like god ripping apart your face in pieces and telling you to go fck yourself because he doesn't give a chit about you..not really a nice feeling nowhere near close to NDE
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    How can time be real if our eyes aren't real
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    Originally Posted by johsin28 View Post
    This lady died in hospital...next day doctor walks in and she is awake and tells him she had NDE...she tells him that while in NDE she traveled to Arkansas and there was this building 500 feet tall and on top of the building right around the edge she saw a red sock.

    Now..doctor was skeptical and didn't believe her..to check that they traveled to Arkansas and they took elevator to that building...walked to the edge and guess what was there? A red sock


    DMT? ..I don't think so chief

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    I do agree OP at the end of the day we are all made from the stars, we are all Star dust created from a supernover all matter in our Earth it , remember energy is never wasted it is merely transfered

    Although there are tons of accounts of past memories with reincarnation so there's that
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    Originally Posted by TFMOA View Post
    References please... Are you speaking about space time? Or how time is relative? That is still not truly understanding time or how it works..
    ...yes it is
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    Originally Posted by xxdieharderxx View Post
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    99% of people who had NDE talks about there was no awareness of time...they could travel 100,000 miles in seconds. To logical mind that wouldn't make sense but light in vaccum travels 186,282 miles per second...so you can't really disregard something just because you can't travel that fast with human body. Human body is limited..consciousness is not.
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    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    ...yes it is
    Gonna have to disagree, there is a lot about time that is unknown... Look into it, time is pretty mind-blowing..
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    Originally Posted by johsin28 View Post
    This lady died in hospital...next day doctor walks in and she is awake and tells him she had NDE...she tells him that while in NDE she traveled to Arkansas and there was this building 500 feet tall and on top of the building right around the edge she saw a red sock.

    Now..doctor was skeptical and didn't believe her..to check that they traveled to Arkansas and they took elevator to that building...walked to the edge and guess what was there? A red sock


    DMT? ..I don't think so chief


    I've taken DMT and it feels like god ripping apart your face in pieces and telling you to go fck yourself because he doesn't give a chit about you..not really a nice feeling nowhere near close to NDE
    Not only is that more than likely an apocryphal story, but there has never been a credible account anywhere of someone actually "dying" for any appreciable period of time and coming back to life; let alone a day.

    Medical death is not necessarily the same thing as true death.

    Not to mention that it's quite possible that even if this were true, as unlikely as it is, that this woman could have had prior knowledge of this sock.
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    Originally Posted by TFMOA View Post
    Gonna have to disagree, there is a lot about time that is unknown... Look into it, time is pretty mind-blowing..
    There is nothing to disagree with. You're wrong. You obviously don't understand it yourself.
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    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Not only is that more than likely an apocryphal story, but there has never been a credible account anywhere of someone actually "dying" for any appreciable period of time and coming back to life; let alone a day.

    Medical death is not necessarily the same thing as true death.

    Not to mention that it's quite possible that even if this were true, as unlikely as it is, that this woman could have had prior knowledge of this sock.
    There was another one where this doctor had NDE and this baby in next room was crying but no one knew why he was crying...so..while in NDE doctor traveled to the baby and somehow he could understand the baby...baby told him that his arm was hurting.

    Check this out...doctor told nurse that his arm needs to be fixed and they xrayed it and found out it was broken bone in one of his finger.

    Doctor had NDE before baby was even BORN! so now that is some chit that makes your head spin.
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    Originally Posted by TFMOA View Post
    References please... Are you speaking about space time? Or how time is relative? That is still not truly understanding time or how it works..
    Special relativity, yeah. I don't even know what you mean truly understanding but the theory has proven to be very accurate.
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    Originally Posted by johsin28 View Post
    You're looking too deep into it.

    Here is an example: A dog doesn't look at its clock and go "Oh..it's 2:00 pm..I better eat something or Oh..it's 10:00 pm..I better go to bed"...animals do what they do without even being aware of time itself. We human calculate time...."we're getting old..we're now 50 yrs old..it's time to go to work..it's time to eat etc etc"..I am saying that time calculation is gone so in a sense you become similar to tree except you don't die or may be you die because dying is possible only if you're living thing..stone doesn't die u know wut i mean..I dunno for sure. I mean think of a baby..right..you're born but you don't know anything untill everyone start teaching you things about society..without mom,dad,society..u wud have no knowledge of anything..hell you wudn't even know how to talk chit about something because language wouldn't be there. If I put you in a box as soon as you're born and take you out when you're 50..u wud have no sense of TIME. You would see your body getting wrinkly & chit but u wudn't label it ..u'll be aware of it..u wud feel emotions etc but u wudn't be able to put it in words..there would be just pure awareness
    Just cause we are more aware of time than other species doesn't mean it's man made. Other species feel time as well. Why do you think they migrate at specific moments, sleep at specific moments and all that?
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    Originally Posted by SymphonyXXX View Post
    What you have done is highlight the disconnect and pitfall of a system of symbols (words) that is used to describe the natural world, and, by doing so, you have also proven just how limited the man-made constructs can be when used to describe the natural order.
    I think you did a much better job given that time is independent of humans or how we describe it.
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    Originally Posted by TFMOA View Post
    Gonna have to disagree, there is a lot about time that is unknown... Look into it, time is pretty mind-blowing..
    what about it is unknown?
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    Originally Posted by Kaybee93 View Post
    Just cause we are more aware of time than other species doesn't mean it's man made. Other species feel time as well. Why do you think they migrate at specific moments, sleep at specific moments and all that?
    it's habitual.

    Why do you think people have jetlag? ..it's habitual thing..clock has nothing to do with it. Time exists, yes but we won't be aware of it without clock and all other measuring tools. We would just look at it as it is.
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    Originally Posted by dtugg View Post
    what about it is unknown?
    Anything that happened before you were born is unknown...do you know for sure it existed?..not really..everything in past is unknown..You have the memory of it but that is still is NOW..so in reality only thing you can be sure of is THIS MOMENT. It's proven by science sure but I think there are lot of things that can't be proven by science. Universe is a huge concept and logical mind cannot grasp it otherwise we would've ruled over the universe by now.
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    Originally Posted by johsin28 View Post
    There was another one where this doctor had NDE and this baby in next room was crying but no one knew why he was crying...so..while in NDE doctor traveled to the baby and somehow he could understand the baby...baby told him that his arm was hurting.

    Check this out...doctor told nurse that his arm needs to be fixed and they xrayed it and found out it was broken bone in one of his finger.

    Doctor had NDE before baby was even BORN! so now that is some chit that makes your head spin.
    Likely.


    So wait a minute, there was a baby crying in the next room, but it hadn't been born yet? Makes sense bro.

    But let's just assume that it had been born already. Doctor had already seen it, noticed something wrong with it and cataloged it unconsciously, worked it out while he himself was unconscious. As many of us do from time to time in our dreams.

    Let's assume it hadn't been born yet. Doctor sees ultrasound, gets weird felling something's wrong with baby, figures it out in his sleep.


    If this even happened. You know people make things up right? Especially when it comes to this ****. Embellishment can be a great unconscious mechanism to strengthen your beliefs, especially when they're real shoddy: like a belief in the afterlife.
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    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    There is nothing to disagree with. You're wrong. You obviously don't understand it yourself.
    Lol you're completely right, I do not understand time.. Einstein said that there is a 4 dimensional fabric known as space-time, which we are all familiar with, which includes the notion that time is relative to the observer.. He also believed that the past present and future all exist simultaneously... Whether this is true or not is yet to be seen... Now if you go out and ask 100 people on the street if they believe that the past present and future exist simultaneously, I'm pretty sure you're going to get a lot of doubters... To me, this seems like a failure to understand time.....

    Einstein's belief in an undivided solid reality was clear to him, so much so that he completely rejected the separation we experience as the moment of now. He believed there is no true division between past and future, there is rather a single existence. His most descriptive testimony to this faith came when his lifelong friend Besso died. Einstein wrote a letter to Besso's family, saying that although Besso had preceded him in death it was of no consequence, "...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one."
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    Originally Posted by johsin28 View Post
    Anything that happened before you were born is unknown...do you know for sure it existed?..not really..everything in past is unknown..You have the memory of it but that is still is NOW..so in reality only thing you can be sure of is THIS MOMENT. It's proven by science sure but I think there are lot of things that can't be proven by science. Universe is a huge concept and logical mind cannot grasp it otherwise we would've ruled over the universe by now.
    U wot m8?

    Do you really think this?
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    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Likely.


    So wait a minute, there was a baby crying in the next room, but it hadn't been born yet? Makes sense bro.

    But let's just assume that it had been born already. Doctor had already seen it, noticed something wrong with it and cataloged it unconsciously, worked it out while he himself was unconscious. As many of us do from time to time in our dreams.

    Let's assume it hadn't been born yet. Doctor sees ultrasound, gets weird felling something's wrong with baby, figures it out in his sleep.


    If this even happened. You know people make things up right? Especially when it comes to this ****. Embellishment can be a great unconscious mechanism to strengthen your beliefs, especially when they're real shoddy: like a belief in the afterlife.
    Doctor was neurosurgeon..he didn't look at x-ray or anything for that matter..Baby wasn't even born when he was consious. He just went straight up and told the nurse that baby arm needs to be looked at.

    You can say people make things up but saying millions of people making same thing up can't be right..how does someone in China knows that someone in UK traveled 100,000 miles in NDE. I get what you're saying but there are people who didn't believe in it and then saw it themselves and believed in it...this is not some bullchit, bro. I read many, many stories and majority of them had things in common..like traveling at the speed of light through a tunnel, having no awareness of time & space etc etc. I ignored all the ones that had to do with religions
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