*Iraq and Syria are being taken over by major terrorist group.* This is BAD.*

[MiscKage]

This is a repeat of what happened to the US-puppet regime of South Vietnam when Saigon fell to the North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong. Now ISIS, of which many of it's commanders are said to be disgruntled former officers in Saddam's military who were not compensated for their loss/surrender in '03, are supported by a Sunni population that resents the US/Iranian-puppet Maliki regime of the Shia faith due to discrimination and overwhelming corruption.

An armed force will never thrive in an environment where the locals are hostile to them. This is why Vietnam fell to the Communists, and why Iraq will most likely fall to ISIS. Why would the troops in the Iraqi army fight to protect a government that was installed by the nation that destroyed their country?

Murricans gon murrica.

[sosasaysso]

He doesn't have more followers. Osama had a lot.

Let's secks, bebe.

[Isabeli]

The US is actually funding the islamist rebels in Syria so this has been carefully pre-planned.

[Sebt1890]

Don't forget that ISIS now has over $420 million dollars stolen from the Mosul bank and a millions of dollars of US weapons and hardware that the Iraqi's abandoned.

[iBulk]

He doesn't have more followers. Osama had a lot.

Wrong. Al Qaeda had no more than a few thousand, ISIS has 10,000 and growing quickly. But that isn't even the important part. Al Qaeda rarely had more than a few car bombs or suicide vests, ISIS has military weapons, Humvees, and much more money than Al Qaeda ever had.

"As insurgents rolled past the largest city in northern Iraq, an oil hub at the vital intersection of Syria, Iraq and Turkey, and into Tikrit, several gunmen stopped at Mosul’s central bank. An incredible amount of cash was reportedly on hand, and the group made off with 500 billion Iraqi dinars — $425 million."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...rrorist-group/

[extendlol]

What's this gotta do with anything? Iraq had nothing to do with it

do u even read

[CountDoogula]

Glassening.

[Chasthetics]

This is a repeat of what happened to the US-puppet regime of South Vietnam when Saigon fell to the North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong. Now ISIS, of which many of it's commanders are said to be disgruntled former officers in Saddam's military who were not compensated for their loss/surrender in '03, are supported by a Sunni population that resents the US/Iranian-puppet Maliki regime of the Shia faith due to discrimination and overwhelming corruption.

An armed force will never thrive in an environment where the locals are hostile to them. This is why Vietnam fell to the Communists, and why Iraq will most likely fall to ISIS. Why would the troops in the Iraqi army fight to protect a government that was installed by the nation that destroyed their country?

Murricans gon murrica.

This. We are the problem.

[palsup]

The US is actually funding the islamist rebels in Syria so this has been carefully pre-planned.

No they haven't been funding "Islamist" rebels. They were funding the FSA.

Wrong. Al Qaeda had no more than a few thousand, ISIS has 10,000 and growing quickly. But that isn't even the important part. Al Qaeda rarely had more than a few car bombs or suicide vests, ISIS has military weapons, Humvees, and much more money than Al Qaeda ever had.

Osama has probably over a million sympathisers and I saw a YouTube video where the Saudi King was told Osama offered to bring an army of over 100,000 to protect the Kingdom from Saddam Hussein but they obviously rejected because they were scared of his influence and brought USA inside instead.

[Astyanax]

Who gives a fuk. Let them have their state. Then when they realize they are incapable of running it or providing the population with what it needs, they'll come back to reality and play ball with the rest of the world. That's pretty much what happened with the Brotherhood in Egypt.

[Valeurvaleur]

He doesn't have more followers. Osama had a lot.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/view...al-Qaeda-.html
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-...12269522148918

If you think that Osama, pre-9/11, had more followers than al-Baghdadi has now, you're kidding yourself. This movement is more organized, more militant, bigger, stronger, and with a lot more reasons to hate the west, than pre-9/11 al-qaeda. I thought the war in Iraq was a terrible idea motivated by spite and greed, and that the war in afghanistan was a bad idea - but here we're not talking about fighting a government and it's army, but about putting down an insurrection before it becomes a central power in the middle-east. Obviously there'll be political initiatives needed to placate both Sunni and Shia populations in Iraq and Syria, but right now it's pretty vital that ISIS is put down swiftly and brutally. Not just for the west, but for millions of innocents in Iraq and Syria.

[Valeurvaleur]

Who gives a fuk. Let them have their state. Then when they realize they are incapable of running it or providing the population with what it needs, they'll come back to reality and play ball with the rest of the world. That's pretty much what happened with the Brotherhood in Egypt.

Eh... No, they were overturned and Egypt is back to a military dictatorship - albeit a more western-friendly one. There's still a LOT of unrest in Egypt.

[palsup]

Who gives a fuk. Let them have their state. Then when they realize they are incapable of running it or providing the population with what it needs, they'll come back to reality and play ball with the rest of the world. That's pretty much what happened with the Brotherhood in Egypt.

The army weren't giving the Muslim Brotherhood the powers they needed. Ikhwan!

And ISIS with Iraq means oil too. USA won't like that.

[srssness]

No they haven't been funding "Islamist" rebels. They were funding the FSA.



Osama has probably over a million sympathisers and I saw a YouTube video where the Saudi King was told Osama offered to bring an army of over 100,000 to protect the Kingdom from Saddam Hussein but they obviously rejected because they were scared of his influence and brought USA inside instead.

If you think the FSA are not islamists i have some bad news, people try to market them as moderate but they are all sectarian extremists, plenty of proof for that too. when the war first started they were yelling "Christians to Beriut and Alawis to the grave" very democratic there right?

[palsup]

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/view...al-Qaeda-.html
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-...12269522148918

If you think that Osama, pre-9/11, had more followers than al-Baghdadi has now, you're kidding yourself. This movement is more organized, more militant, bigger, stronger, and with a lot more reasons to hate the west, than pre-9/11 al-qaeda. I thought the war in Iraq was a terrible idea motivated by spite and greed, and that the war in afghanistan was a bad idea - but here we're not talking about fighting a government and it's army, but about putting down an insurrection before it becomes a central power in the middle-east. Obviously there'll be political initiatives needed to placate both Sunni and Shia populations in Iraq and Syria, but right now it's pretty vital that ISIS is put down swiftly and brutally. Not just for the west, but for millions of innocents in Iraq and Syria.

Was Osama not one of the main commanders against the Soviets? And they had 100,000s of fighters. And he had fighters against Russia in Chechnya and Bosnia. I think Osama wasn't too bothered about Sharia law being forced over people like ISIS are, he was against American bases in the gulf.

I'm just making assumptions, so idk.

[Astyanax]

Eh... No, they were overturned and Egypt is back to a military dictatorship - albeit a more western-friendly one. There's still a LOT of unrest in Egypt.

That's what I mean. When Morsi came into power, he was forced to make nice with both Israel and the IMF and World Bank, even though Israel and interest-based finance are two things "Islamists" hate. Then when people realized the Brotherhood wasn't really doing much to improve the country, elSisi had at least a little bit of a mandate to come back and seize power (even though the remnants of the Mubarak power structure was itself responsible for impeding Morsi's plans). The point I'm trying to make is, it's easy for radical groups to seize power. But when it comes to the realities of actually governing, they more often than not are (eventually) forced to make concessions.

[Chasthetics]

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/view...al-Qaeda-.html
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-...12269522148918

If you think that Osama, pre-9/11, had more followers than al-Baghdadi has now, you're kidding yourself. This movement is more organized, more militant, bigger, stronger, and with a lot more reasons to hate the west, than pre-9/11 al-qaeda. I thought the war in Iraq was a terrible idea motivated by spite and greed, and that the war in afghanistan was a bad idea - but here we're not talking about fighting a government and it's army, but about putting down an insurrection before it becomes a central power in the middle-east. Obviously there'll be political initiatives needed to placate both Sunni and Shia populations in Iraq and Syria, but right now it's pretty vital that ISIS is put down swiftly and brutally. Not just for the west, but for millions of innocents in Iraq and Syria.

I agree, but how did we end up at this point? Why would this be the case?

[Patriots25]

Glad people are getting more awareness. There's a reason why Assad still exists. This is a dangerous situation srs this will affect us.

[palsup]

If you think the FSA are not islamists i have some bad news, people try to market them as moderate but they are all sectarian extremists, plenty of proof for that too. when the war first started they were yelling "Christians to Beriut and Alawis to the grave" very democratic there right?

Funny how there main officer was also Christian. They worked with those groups but I don't think they are directly Islamists.

[S4V4NT]

ib4 retribution

[tbonez3858]

Thanks Obama!

[lucidbrah]

In to read the US's untapped sources of misc battle strategists talk about solutions that will definitely be followed and make a change in actually history.

[palsup]

That's what I mean. When Morsi came into power, he was forced to make nice with both Israel and the IMF and World Bank, even though Israel and interest-based finance are two things "Islamists" hate. Then when people realized the Brotherhood wasn't really doing much to improve the country, elSisi had at least a little bit of a mandate to come back and seize power (even though the remnants of the Mubarak power structure was itself responsible for impeding Morsi's plans). The point I'm trying to make is, it's easy for radical groups to seize power. But when it comes to the realities of actually governing, they more often than not are (eventually) forced to make concessions.

Ikhwan are not radical!

[BustaCapp]

This is why these nations neeed dictators like Saddam Hussein. Dun Goofed removing him!!

[Marronis]

Well America did overthrow the Iraq government and take control, now that we left we fuked them over. we fuked them over when we first when to that place, Bush shouldn't have sent troops there to begin with now look what is happening

[Astyanax]

Ikhwan are not radical!

Agreed. And their members are much more educated (engineers, doctors, etc) than what I'm guessing is most of ISIS constituents. What I'm saying is, even if they somehow form a state (unlikely imo), it won't last long unless they compromise. This is not like Nazi Germany where they are on equal or even superior footing to the rest of the world in terms of technology, infrastructure, military, etc.

[ameetsing]

i thought islam was the religion of peace da fuq

[srssness]

Funny how there main officer was also Christian. They worked with those groups but I don't think they are directly Islamists.

He wasn't their officer, he was a political figure that had absolutely no power over the militants on the ground, i believe you are talking about khatib who was placed by other countries to make the FSA seem moderate, how can the FSA be moderate if they are allies with Nusra and former allies of the ISIS during that time. now the FSA's powers have decreased dramatically and many of their militants are joining the ISIS or other extremist groups

[MiscKage]

Ikhwan are not radical!

Do you feel like Joan of Arc by battling it out in a male-dominated, sexually frustrated and misogynist cesspit such as the Misc? LOL.

[Sezzors]

US were supporting terrorists in every Arab spring that took place. US and UK supportig terrorists in Syria. US supporting to neo-nazis in Ukraine. Wouldn't be surprised if it's happening now.