T-Boosters for Young Adults

[RenegadeRows]

What do some of you recommend for us young fella's...ages 18-25...for testosterone/hormone boosting? No illegial stuff please...only products that can be purchased legally over the internet/counter.

Tribulus, ZMA, 6-OXO, etc --- I heard these are geared for middle aged men whos T-levels are somewhat depleted?

Keep in mind the goal here is to build muscle - not increase sex drive. Although the latter will happen regardless, what are some supplements that will aid us young guys for building.

Methyl 1P? Masterdrol? D-Bol?
Please include general cycling information for your product recommendations.

Thanks for your responses!

[warriors]

What do some of you recommend for us young fella's...ages 18-25...for testosterone/hormone boosting? No illegial stuff please...only products that can be purchased legally over the internet/counter.

Tribulus, ZMA, 6-OXO, etc --- I heard these are geared for middle aged men whos T-levels are somewhat depleted?

Keep in mind the goal here is to build muscle - not increase sex drive. Although the latter will happen regardless, what are some supplements that will aid us young guys for building.

Methyl 1P? Masterdrol? D-Bol?
Please include general cycling information for your product recommendations.

Thanks for your responses!

Well "natural" hormone boosters are ok for increasing sex drive but not too many ppl notice any effects in the gym with them but there are some that do. M1P and Masterdrol are ph's and i suggest staying away from them until you are at least 21 years of age.

[djdefcon]

First off, if your under 21 you shouldn't be looking into test-boosters since your test levels are high as it is and as for:

'I heard these are geared for middle aged men whos T-levels are somewhat depleted?'

Yea, their test levels are depleated probably from using test-boosting supps at a young age!

I know everyone says it but, just lift hard, worry about your test levels when the time comes.

[RenegadeRows]

Yea, their test levels are depleated probably from using test-boosting supps at a young age!

LOL. Indeed. I am 22 years old. Good lookin' out. Would taking a PH be a bad idea at my age? Can someone recommend one for me? I've been training for about 3 years intensely. I've just hit a plateau, need something extra. Thanks again!

[davedepezio]

I have heard some people getting good results off of tribulus, ZMA is not that effective, and 6-OXO I have heard some good stuff about but never tryed it my self.

[sonick]

First off, if your under 21 you shouldn't be looking into test-boosters since your test levels are high as it is and as for:

'I heard these are geared for middle aged men whos T-levels are somewhat depleted?'

Yea, their test levels are depleated probably from using test-boosting supps at a young age!

I know everyone says it but, just lift hard, worry about your test levels when the time comes.

What he said.

A step up from test boosters without going into PH territory include:
ATD products, like Novedex XT and **** Ultra-Hotter (get the best reviews IMO) after they supress estrogen
6-oxo - too expensive and ineffective IMO

As far as test boosters go:
Activate seems to be the hot thing.
I personally like Universal Animal Stak2 - because it has a decent list of ingrediants and doesn't break the wallet. If this stuff isn't going to help, it beats spending twice as much on T-Bomb II or something similar.

[Vail]

I've just hit a plateau, need something extra. Thanks again!

Got more food?

[tonutzda2@veriz]

the atd's can be used as standalone??

[RenegadeRows]

Thanks for the replies.
Eat more, yes! I want this winter to be my best bulk season yet...
I'm thinking about getting some methyl 1p/methyl masterdrol. Been reading some feedback on here...looks like fun.

[mydamnself]

This usually isn't the answer people want, but in my opinion the best thing is education. Learn everything you can about exercise and nutrition. This website is a great resource. I know that if I had not spent so much time studying I would never be making the progress I am.

[AtomicLee]

Methyl 1P=Waste of money
Methyl Masterdrol=Waste of money

Methyl Masterdrol has a "built in" liver support. Its not even enough to help the liver, plus it will fight with the active ingredient for absorption. Dont waste your money.

[xGhostinGx]

Interesting article about Trib. The young men are 21 males ages 20-36.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...038&query_hl=3

J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23. Related Articles, Links

The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.

Neychev VK, Mitev VI.

Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria.

OBJECTIVE:: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS:: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS:: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins

[rugged]

there is nothing wrong with prohormones before 21. Everyone thinks it is because society's told them that all steorids are bad, but really, if u cycle off and take liver detox and test boosters to restore ur hormone balance. Haha, i can just see the responses i will get now from ppl. "rugged ur bad, quit telling ppl wrong info"...

[schroeder84]

Interesting article about Trib. The young men are 21 males ages 20-36.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...038&query_hl=3

J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23. Related Articles, Links

The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.

Neychev VK, Mitev VI.

Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria.

OBJECTIVE:: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS:: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS:: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins

****in right. the stuff is snake oil

[RenegadeRows]

Interesting study. Thanks for posting.

I have supplemented with both XXX (post-ban) and different tribulus products (Forza-T, Tribex).

The XXX did nothing! my diet and training was proper...but i was skeptical about that product anyway. I think they were false about saying it has andro in it still...oh well.

The Forza-T put 7lbs on me, increased my strength about 10-25lbs in most lifts for the 2 months. The tribex made me a little rambunctious<sp>, but wore off after the first week. I sold the rest to a co-worker. Maybe the forza was a placebo effect, but I noticed a difference in muscle hardness and energy.

Maybe one more time with the tribulus and then I'm saving my cash!!!

[deserusan]

Interesting article about Trib. The young men are 21 males ages 20-36.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...038&query_hl=3

J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23. Related Articles, Links

The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.

Neychev VK, Mitev VI.

Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria.

OBJECTIVE:: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS:: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS:: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins

Great find and good approach to stating your position. I wish more people used arguments like this. However, this study does not take into account activity levels which can cause significant drops in testosterone levels depending on intensity vs. recovery times. If these guys were sedentary then their baseline levels would not fluctuate with regards to the three hormones measured. This is a great start though, but a study done on active males that was double blinded would be a lot more accurate. Personally, I feel Tribulus might help raise test insignificantly but does have a good impact on libido which should be researched more. I think if you are going to spend $20.00 on a natural test booster than you should go with some ZMA. All of it's ingredients get depleted in athletes which requires suppplementation IMO.

[Skigazzi]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=tribulus

[sonick]

the atd's can be used as standalone??

Yes they can.
It is debatable of how effective they are at raising test, and sometimes lowering estrogens doesn't mean better muscle gains. But they seem to be the best non-PH option the pretty mild side-effects (in the case of a high dose) and are also rather inexpensive.

[Lonny]

What do some of you recommend for us young fella's...ages 18-25...for testosterone/hormone boosting? No illegial stuff please...only products that can be purchased legally over the internet/counter.

As someone who tried a lot of test boosters at that age, i can say the absolute best thing you can do for yourself is to ensure your eating at least 2-3 whole eggs per day on top of egg whites, and 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight. It sounds cliche and it's not as cool as popping a few trib pills, but it works a whole lot more. Zinc with a meal low in calcium, and magnessium before bed (with fish and possibly flax) to optimize test levels, but seriously thats all you need.

[tonutzda2@veriz]

Yes they can.
It is debatable of how effective they are at raising test, and sometimes lowering estrogens doesn't mean better muscle gains. But they seem to be the best non-PH option the pretty mild side-effects (in the case of a high dose) and are also rather inexpensive.

thanks bro

[xGhostinGx]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=tribulus

Ok my science study and blood work versus an article. Im debating which one to believe.

[xGhostinGx]

Great find and good approach to stating your position.

I hope you are reffering to the study and not my title of saying trib is crap. ROFL.

[Skigazzi]

Ok my science study and blood work versus an article. Im debating which one to believe.

Just goes to show why people buy the stuff...unfounded articles...in that thread I posted the same study you did though man, Im on YOUR side...

Trib is crap.

[Skigazzi]

What havent scientist studied?!!?!?!

Experimental Tribulus terrestris poisoning in sheep: clinical, laboratory and pathological findings.

Aslani MR, Movassaghi AR, Mohri M, Pedram M, Abavisani A.

Department of Clinical Studies, School of Veterinary Medicine, Ferdowsi University of Mashhad, PO Box 91775-1793, Mashhad, Iran

Eleven native sheep, 1-2 years old, of both sexes were randomly divided into two groups, 6 sheep being allocated to the experimental group and 5 serving as controls. The sheep in the experimental group were fed 80% Tribulus terrestris and 20% alfalfa hay and wheat straw, while the control sheep were given a mixture of 40% alfalfa hay and 60% wheat straw. Clinical signs of hepatogenous photosensitivity were observed from day 11, including reddening and crust formation on the muzzle, nose, ears and eyelids, depression, weight loss, icterus, conjunctivitis, and yellow discoloration of the urine. Laboratory findings on weekly samples indicated significant differences (p < 0.05) in white blood cell count, total plasma protein and fibrinogen, total and direct bilirubin, blood urea nitrogen and creatinine concentrations, and aspartate aminotransferase and alkaline phosphatase activities. There were no significant differences in the packed cell volume, in the neutrophil, lymphocyte or eosinophil counts, or in the serum calcium, phosphorus, potassium, sodium or chloride concentrations. At necropsy of the experimental animals, there were various degrees of generalized icterus and the livers were swollen and discolored by bile pigment. Histopathological examination revealed varying amounts of crystalloid material in the bile ducts and renal tubules, hepatocellular degeneration, biliary fibrosis and proliferation, renal tubular necrosis and focal necrosis of cardiac muscle.

PMID: 12625403 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[RenegadeRows]

My sheep didn't respond good to the TT either. His bench actually went down!