Aspartame?? is it ok?

[GM_muscle]

I noticed that my optimum nutrition pro complex contains aspertame. The last pro complex (new formula) that i bought did not contain it. Is it not good to have aspertame (nutrisweet) with your protein/amino acid shake? What will it do? I haven't opened the pro complex yet, worried that the aspertame will make it less effective. Just curious before i open it so i can send it back it i have to.

[MoPhat]

IMHO, I don't think aspartame will make your protein shake more or less effective. However, you may want to limit your intake of aspartame (and all artificial sweeteners for that matter.) If you get a chance, check out this website: www.dorway.com

[HeavyLifta]

nutrisweet is actually beneficial, no calories and it's sweet, but there's no significant insulin spike from it since it's artificial so it shouldn't affect your shake

[sfetaz]

Aspertame is nothing more than 3 amino acids chained together. If you really believe somehting that is a couple of amino acids is dangourous you are seriously ignorant. No one ever, except for for those people who are serious alergic to phynalinane, ever have or ever will have a problem takign aspertame.

[MoPhat]

I narrowed down some weird headaches to the Crystal Light I was drinking (while going lower carb.)

Stopped the Crystal Light, guess what else stopped?

Don't get the wrong impression though.

1. This is my personal case.

2. Crystal Light does taste d*mn good.

[Icex999]

Originally posted by MoPhat
I narrowed down some weird headaches to the Crystal Light I was drinking (while going lower carb.)

Stopped the Crystal Light, guess what else stopped?

Don't get the wrong impression though.

1. This is my personal case.

2. Crystal Light does taste d*mn good.

Crystal Light doesn't have aspartame. It uses sucralose.


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Aspertame is nothing more than 3 amino acids chained together. If you really believe somehting that is a couple of amino acids is dangourous you are seriously ignorant. No one ever, except for for those people who are serious alergic to phynalinane, ever have or ever will have a problem takign aspertame.

Yes it is 3 amino acids chained together, but that combo doesn't necessarily have to make it safe. You seem to be 100% sure of your assumptions, so I have a few questions for you.


Aspartame contains methanol, which is broken down in the body into formaldehyde. Although some SAY (without proven research) that this formaldehyde is just excreted, the 1998 Barcelona report states that some of the formaldehyde is indeed stored in fat cells. Explain with science.


Why did the FDA and congress initially REJECT aspartame for sale in the USA, THREE TIMES?? And isn't it funny how a few years after the approval of aspartame, Dr. Friedman the former commissioner of the FDA, went to work for Monsanto for a reported $500,000 per year? Please explain.

Why have 7,000 americans filed complaints with the FDA over aspartame? Note, that the FDA themselves believe that as little as 1% of adverse reactions to food additives are reported.


Please read and explain the following:

All components & breakdown products of aspartame are of questionable toxicity.
1.) Aspartic Acid (40% of aspartame)
Dr. Russell L. Blaylock, a professor of Neurosurgery at the Medical University of Mississippi, recently published a book thoroughly detailing the damage that i s caused by the ingestion of excessive aspartic acid from aspartame. Dr. Blaylock uses almost 500 scientific references to prove how excess free excitatory amino acids such as aspartic acid and glutamic acid in our food supply are causing serious chronic neurological disorders and a myriad of other acute symptoms.[3]
Aspartate acts as a neurotransmitter in the brain by facilitating the transmission of information from neuron to neuron. Aspartic acid is an amino acid. Taken in its free form (unbound to proteins) it significantly raises the blood plasma level of aspartate.
The excess aspartate leads to a high level of this neurotransmitter in certain areas of the brain.Too much aspartate in the brain kills certain neurons by allowing the influx of too much calcium into the cells. This influx triggers excessive amounts of free radicals which kill the cells. The neural cell damage that can be caused by excessive aspartate and glutamate is why they are referred to as "excitotoxins." They "excite" or stimulate the neural cells to death.
Some of the areas of the brain affected by spiked levels of aspartate are not protected by the blood brain barrier (BBB). The large majority (75%+) of neural cells in a particular area of the brain are killed before any clinical symptoms of a chronic illness are noticed.
Aspartic acid has a cumulative harmful effect on the endocrine system and reproductive system. Several animal experiments have shown that excitotoxic amino acids can penetrate the placental barrier and cause damage to the fetus.
In both human and animal study experiments, the plasma aspartate level has been shown to spike to high levels after liquid administration of aspartame. Humans are 5 times more susceptible to aspartic acid and glutamic acid than rodents and 20 times more susceptible than monkeys because they concentrate these excitatory amino acids in their blood plasma to much higher levels and for a longer period of time.
A few of the many chronic illnesses that have been shown to be contributed to by long-term exposure to excitatory amino acid damage include:
MS Parkinson's Disease
Hormonal Problems Hypoglycemia
Hearing Loss AIDS Dementia
Epilepsy Brain Lesions
Alzheimer’s Disease Neuroendocrine Disorders
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (Lou Gehriig’s Disease)

The exact mechanism of acute reactions to excess free aspartate is currently being debated. As reported to the FDA, those reactions include [5]:
Headaches/Migraines Vision Problems
Nausea Anxiety attacks
Abdominal Pains Depression
Sleep Problems Asthma/Chest Tightness
Memory Loss
Fatigue (blocks sufficient glucose entry into brain)

[Icex999]

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2.) Phenylalanine (50% of aspartame)
Phenylalanine is an amino acid normally found in the brain. Persons with the genetic disorder, phenylketonuria (PKU) cannot metabolize phenylalanine. This leads to dangerously high levels of phenylalanine in the brain (sometimes lethal).
It has been shown that ingesting aspartame, especially along with carbohydrates can lead to excess levels of phenylalanine in the brain even in persons who do not have PKU. It was shown in human testing that phenylalanine levels of the blood were increased significantly in human subjects who chronically used aspartame.[6] Even a single use of aspartame raised the blood phenylalanine levels...
Excessive levels of phenylalanine in the brain can cause the levels of serotonin in the brain to decrease, leading to emotional disorders such as depression. Moreover, decrease in serotonin levels can result in carbohydrate craving which could lead to increased consumption of carbohydrates (normally serotonin blunts the sensation of craving carbohydrates and thus is a part of the body’s feedback system that helps limit consumption to appropriate levels.).
In his testimony before the U.S. Congress, Dr. Louis J. Elsas showed that high blood phenylalanine can be concentrated in parts of the brain, and is especially dangerous for infants and fetuses. He also showed that phenylalanine is metabolised much more effeciently by rodents than by humans.[7] As Dr. Blaylock points out in his book, early studies measuring phenylalanine buildup in the brain were flawed. Investigators who measured specific brain regions and not the average throughout the brain noticed significant rises in phenylalanine levels. Specifically the hypothalamus, medulla oblongata, and corpus striatum areas of the brain had the largest increases in phenylalanine. He further elaborates that excessive buildup of phenylalanine in the brain can cause schizophrenia or make one more susceptible to seizures.
Aspertylphenylalanine Diketopiperazine (DKP) DKP is a breakdown product of phenylalanine. DKP has been implicated in the occurance of brain tumors. Dr. John Olney noticed that DKP, when nitrosated in the gut, produced a compound which was similar to N-nitrosourea, a powerful brain tumor causing chemical. DKP has also been implicated as a cause of uterine polyps and changes in blood cholesterol by FDA Toxicologist Dr. Jacqueline Verrett in her testimony before the U.S. Senate.[13]
Before aspartame was foisted upon the public, the amount of this particular DKP in the diet was essentially zero (Federal Register 1983). Therefore, no claim can automatically be made that DKP ingestion is safe. Several quality studies would have to be performed in order to conclude that DKP probably does not have a detrimental effect on humans. No such quality studies have ever been done.
However, statistically significant increase in cancer rates in several of the pre-approval experiments are an indication that aspartame may cause cancer. Two pre-approval studies showed an unusually large number of brain tumors in the test animals. Those studies where called, E33/34 and E70. E33/34 was a 104-week study of Charles River CD rats. Twelve brain tumors were found in the experimental rats and zero in the control rats (Gross 1987b, page 2-3): As Dr. John Olney stated (Olney 1987, page 7):
"Being a neuropathologist, I know that spontaneous brain tumors in laboratory rats are extremely rare. The archival literature documents an incidence not exceeding 0.6%. Since the above incidence in Nutrasweet-fed rats is 3.75%, this suggests that Nutrasweet may cause brain tumors and certainly suggests the need for additional in depth research to rule out that possibility.
In 1991, Dr. H.J. Roberts published an article in the Journal of Advancement in Medicine (Roberts 1991), which showed a possible correlation between the sudden, rising incidence of Primary Brain Cancer and Primary Brain Lymphoma and the years soon after aspartame went on the market. Roberts concludes with a recommendation for a closer look at the relationship between aspartame and brain cancer.
It should be noted that it may take a generation or two of ingesting aspartame before a significant increase in brain cancer incidence (due to aspartame ingestion) is noticed.
3.) Methanol (aka wood alcohol/poison) (10% of aspartame)
Methanol is a deadly poison. Methanol is gradually released in the small intestine when the methyl group of aspartame encounter the enzyme chymotrypsin. The absorption of methanol into the body is sped up considerably when free methanol is ingested. Free methanol is created from aspartame when it is heated to above 86 Fahrenheit (30 Centigrade). This would occur when aspartame-containing product is improperly stored or when it is heated. Whether absorbed quickly as free methanol or somewhat slower in the small intestine from fresh aspartame, the total amount of methanol absorbed will be approximately 10% of aspartame ingested. An EPA assessment of methanol states that methanol "is considered a cumulative poison due to the low rate of excretion once it is absorbed."
The absorbed methanol is then slowly converted to formaldehyde by alcohol dehydrogenase in the liver (DHHS 1993a, Liesivuori 1991). The formaldehyde is then converted to formic acid by aldehyde dehydrogenase in the liver, by formaldehyde dehydrogenase in the blood, or through the tetrahydrofolic acid- dependent one-carbon pool (Liesivuori 1991). Methanol, thus breaks down into formic acid (a venom in ant stings) and formaldehyde (embalming fluid) in the body.
Formaldehyde :
Formaldehyde is a deadly neurotoxin Formaldehye is a known carcinogen (known to cause Squamous Cell Carcinoma in experimental animals.), causes retinal damage, interferes with DNA replication, causes birth defects. [10] Formaldehyde stores in fat cells, particularly on the hips & thighs. It is potentially toxic to the retina & optic nerve.These organs are highly vulnerable to metabolic disturbances & neurotoxins because of their unique metabolic requirements. Methanol & its by-products cause swelling of the optic nerve & degeneration of ganglion cells in the retina.

[Icex999]

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Folic acid is believed by most researchers to play a large role in protecting from methanol poisoning by increasing the conversion of formic acid to carbon dioxide and water (Roe 1982, Tephly 1984, DHHS 1993a). Persons who have a folic acid deficiency are likely to be much more susceptible to damage from chronic methanol ingestion. Other nutrients may play an important part in protecting from formic acid damage. As Tephly points out (Stegink 1984a, page 114):
"Nutritional differences among individuals, such as folic acid deficiency, may play an important part in the ability of an individual to metabolize formate. Different degrees of nutritional deficiency may be observed in debilitated and inebriated persons who have not had an adequate diet. In addition to the protective factors of ethanol, folic acid, and possibly other nutrients, Posner (1975) pointed out that the presence of food in the stomach seems to lower the toxicity of methanol. The reason food slightly lowers the toxicity is probably because the food offers protective factors (as does alcohol and juices) and/or the food delays absorption (as does the administration of aspartame in capsules). This does not mean that aspartame in food is safe in long-term use, but probably slightly less toxic.
· Methanol ingestion may be even more dangerous for persons taking certain pharmaceuticals. The enzyme aldehyde dehydrogenase is believed to play a major role in methanol oxidation and elimination (DHHS 1993a, Liesivuori 1991). The drug disulfiram (trade name Antabuse) inhibits the activity of aldehyde dehydrogenase (Merck 1992, page 2638). Animal experiments have shown a significant increase in toxicity of methanol and a slowing down of methanol elimination when disulfiram was given (Posner 1975). The results are likely to be similar in humans for this particular adverse effect. Antabuse is currently being taken by 400,000 persons in the U.S. and many more are taking generic brands of disulfiram (Roberts 1990a, page 43). Posner (1975) lists research on several pharmaceuticals which shows that ingesting aspartame while on these drugs may present an additional health hazard. Some of these include sulfonylureas (for diabetics), metronidazole (anti-bacterial), and allopurinol (reduces uric acid). There may be other pharmaceuticals which cause adverse reactions when taken with the methanol in aspartame, but few studies have been done.

[Icex999]

Also read and explain this:

http://www.dorway.com/nsda.html




thanks in advance sfetaz, i'm sure your answers will hold alot of weight especially since you can't spell ASPARTAME.




As for my opinion, I think it's use should be restricted. It's hard to avoid these products when losing weight, but try your best. Look for protein powders as well as beverages which contain sucralose instead. But as for effectiveness of the shake, no aspartame won't decrease absorption or anything like that.

[Icex999]

hmmm....seems like time to BUMP this

[Machine]

ok, here we go with the aspartame crap again. It doesn't matter if it WAS rejected. It could have been rejected cause they need more research on it, which they now have which is why IT IS CONSIDERED SAFE. To much of it MAY harm you, but to much of anything can harm you. You know, the sun causes cancer... so do you sit in yur house all day hidden in the shade? Eat your damn aspartame, it won't kill you.

[musclescientist]

Brain tumors and seizures in aspartame-fed animals indicate a possible risk to humans. The dictionary definition of safe means "not presenting or involving any danger or risk" (Webster's 877). Does this mean aspartame is not safe? The answer lies in the hands of the public. Although aspartame was not tested on humans before its approval, it now has been tested on the public by default. Over 200 million Americans consume aspartame products (Weininger 1/ZZ1). We have been the guinea pigs in the testing of aspartame without even knowing it. A look at aspartame's ingredients and its devastating effects on human beings provide the evidence for avoiding all aspartame products.

Originally posted by Icex999


Crystal Light doesn't have aspartame. It uses sucralose.


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Yes it is 3 amino acids chained together, but that combo doesn't necessarily have to make it safe. You seem to be 100% sure of your assumptions, so I have a few questions for you.


Aspartame contains methanol, which is broken down in the body into formaldehyde. Although some SAY (without proven research) that this formaldehyde is just excreted, the 1998 Barcelona report states that some of the formaldehyde is indeed stored in fat cells. Explain with science.


Why did the FDA and congress initially REJECT aspartame for sale in the USA, THREE TIMES?? And isn't it funny how a few years after the approval of aspartame, Dr. Friedman the former commissioner of the FDA, went to work for Monsanto for a reported $500,000 per year? Please explain.

Why have 7,000 americans filed complaints with the FDA over aspartame? Note, that the FDA themselves believe that as little as 1% of adverse reactions to food additives are reported.


Please read and explain the following:

All components & breakdown products of aspartame are of questionable toxicity.
1.) Aspartic Acid (40% of aspartame)
Dr. Russell L. Blaylock, a professor of Neurosurgery at the Medical University of Mississippi, recently published a book thoroughly detailing the damage that i s caused by the ingestion of excessive aspartic acid from aspartame. Dr. Blaylock uses almost 500 scientific references to prove how excess free excitatory amino acids such as aspartic acid and glutamic acid in our food supply are causing serious chronic neurological disorders and a myriad of other acute symptoms.[3]
Aspartate acts as a neurotransmitter in the brain by facilitating the transmission of information from neuron to neuron. Aspartic acid is an amino acid. Taken in its free form (unbound to proteins) it significantly raises the blood plasma level of aspartate.
The excess aspartate leads to a high level of this neurotransmitter in certain areas of the brain.Too much aspartate in the brain kills certain neurons by allowing the influx of too much calcium into the cells. This influx triggers excessive amounts of free radicals which kill the cells. The neural cell damage that can be caused by excessive aspartate and glutamate is why they are referred to as "excitotoxins." They "excite" or stimulate the neural cells to death.
Some of the areas of the brain affected by spiked levels of aspartate are not protected by the blood brain barrier (BBB). The large majority (75%+) of neural cells in a particular area of the brain are killed before any clinical symptoms of a chronic illness are noticed.
Aspartic acid has a cumulative harmful effect on the endocrine system and reproductive system. Several animal experiments have shown that excitotoxic amino acids can penetrate the placental barrier and cause damage to the fetus.
In both human and animal study experiments, the plasma aspartate level has been shown to spike to high levels after liquid administration of aspartame. Humans are 5 times more susceptible to aspartic acid and glutamic acid than rodents and 20 times more susceptible than monkeys because they concentrate these excitatory amino acids in their blood plasma to much higher levels and for a longer period of time.
A few of the many chronic illnesses that have been shown to be contributed to by long-term exposure to excitatory amino acid damage include:
MS Parkinson's Disease
Hormonal Problems Hypoglycemia
Hearing Loss AIDS Dementia
Epilepsy Brain Lesions
Alzheimer’s Disease Neuroendocrine Disorders
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (Lou Gehriig’s Disease)

The exact mechanism of acute reactions to excess free aspartate is currently being debated. As reported to the FDA, those reactions include [5]:
Headaches/Migraines Vision Problems
Nausea Anxiety attacks
Abdominal Pains Depression
Sleep Problems Asthma/Chest Tightness
Memory Loss
Fatigue (blocks sufficient glucose entry into brain)

[bigjay00]

its nothing but 3BCAA's

[sfetaz]

Ice999 very very informative.

Now let me get back to drinking my Diet Coke.

Seriously I am drinking a diet coke as I read all the replies.



And why did the FDA reject initially? Who knows why. Bottomline is that they did extensive research and found it safe. Speculation and assumtions mean nothing when hard studies show its safety. We all know that Tryptophan is a safe effective product and it's illegal. Why? Because some Japanese company was lazy with their product safety measures.

[jweave23]

Originally posted by sfetaz

Seriously I am drinking a diet coke as I read all the replies.

LOL! So am I I wish I could give you guys the specific numbers, but I remeber years ago my high school chemistry teacher telling us that certain aspartame experiments with rats had not been conclusive because the proportion of aspartame to body weight was the equivalent of about 5000 packets a day to a human (or something like that, you get the jist, it was a ridiculously high number).

[sfetaz]

The dictionary definition of safe means "not presenting or involving any danger or risk"

If you go by that definition of safe, nothing in this planet is safe. Eating fruit or vegetables is not safe because the plant might have grown with a poison in the seeds somehow.

Breathing is not safe because of polution and smog.

Exercising is not safe because you accelerate your heart which could lead to a sudden heart attack.

Driving is not safe because you can hit someone walking which will make you swerve off the road and hit a wall and die.

Walking is not safe because you can be the someone who got hit by the car!


Blinking is not safe because before you blink a bug may fly into your eye and you trap it in there and it damages your cornia!


You see my point? Life is not safe, but if we keep listening to what comes out of our ass then there is nothing to enjoy life with. Proven facts are 100x more valid than speculation. More studies show that aspatame is safe than studies that are not sure if it is safe or not.

[DaddyR]

I really hate all of the B.S. pseudo-science behind the anti-aspartame (and anti-anything made by human hands) freaks.

However, I personally don't take anything with Aspartame, having discovered that it was giving me mild headaches.

I am unconcerned about brain cancer or any of the totally idiotic crap about "excitotoxins". However, in my particular case, I was experiencing headaches as a side effect, and that has led me to avoid it.

Kind of like MSG: some people have a problem with it and therefore avoid it. Doesn't make it completely unsafe, or dangerous. Just something that some people choose to avoid.

[irpker]

http://www.ast-ss.com/articles/article.asp?AID=79

answers your questions.

It is an unbiased report from Paul Cribb.
AST has nothing to gain/lose from his report so that would not be a motivation.

[sflaboy25]

Originally posted by MoPhat
IMHO, I don't think aspartame will make your protein shake more or less effective. However, you may want to limit your intake of aspartame (and all artificial sweeteners for that matter.) If you get a chance, check out this website: www.dorway.com

freaksite!! they also say no to drinking milk! just take a look at those two people at the top of the front page. i wouldn't take any advice from freaks like that
sure aspartame has caused some side-effects in people...but what doesn't? just look at the risk you take getting in your car and driving. (about 500,000 each year killed in car crashes) or how about the thousands (150,000 last year) of people who die each year from prescription medications. quit worrying about small things and live your life already

[EDDOU1290]

FYI,,,,,,,,,there is MORE Methanol found in the natural diet than is consumed by using Aspartame. Heating tomatoes, spaghettie sauce, pizza sauce, or any tomatoe based product will create MORE methanol than using a few packets of aspartame will. It also occurrs in many other vegetables.

Headaches..........to RE-ASSURE any of you guys experiencing headaches....you are NOT imagining things........I personally use LOTS of aspartame, added to my coffee, cereal etc, and also eat commercially prepared foods containing it. I ingest it a LOT.
I do not have a personal problem with it and it has never given me side effects BUT I want to point out that I have talked to a LOT of people that do get headaches after eating or drinking anything containing aspartame.

While these people do NOT have PKU, the disease that affects a small percentage of the population and renders them unable to metabolize the phenylalaninie in aspartame, they do have a similar reaction to it.

I am assuming this is common and possibly not harmful. Best thing to do if you have a headache from it is to just avoide it. That's what everyone I know that does get headaches from it does.

[sfetaz]

http://www.ast-ss.com/articles/article.asp?AID=79

answers your questions.

It is an unbiased report from Paul Cribb.
AST has nothing to gain/lose from his report so that would not be a motivation.

Great article couldn't have said it better myself.

If I start seeing more of those on AST's site I might actually start buying their products because of their truthful nature. It's like the Bill Phillips days of EAS.

[tre14]

aspartame is not safe. it *probably* won't kill you, but you could develop other side effects.


FOX NEWS REPORT on aspartame. pretty interesting.
http://aspartame.com/fox5.rm

[EDDOU1290]

Thank You! SFETAZ

That is the one TRUE report I keep reading over and over and even 20/20 and John Stosel did a report of this nature called "Junk Science - The TRUTH About Scare Tactic Stories"

What amazes me is that I have read MORE anti-aspartame articles in fitness forurms, bodybuilding forums etc and it is bodybuilders that will put Anabolic Steroids in their bodies, Pro Hormones (yes I have used PH's myself so I'm guilty here too)
and these substances cause DEFINATE hormonal changes in the body,,,,,one of the most delicate balances, hormonal levels, and we/they think NOTHING of it!!!!

Even the fitness crowd, bodybuilders etc that have never used anabolic steroids OR PH's,,,,most have bought protein powders or BCAA's in capsule form, and they contain L-Aspartic Acid and L-Phenylalanine >>>ASPARTAME! Even if the protein powder is sweetened with good old white table sugar the aminos that make up Aspartame are there, just as they are there in the capsules of BCAA's.

Is this not hypocrisy at it's finest???

[EDDOU1290]

i just read a few posts up that someone said to drop aspartame and try sucralose ..........now being sold under the SPLENDA name...... JUST AS WITH ASPARTAME, IF YOU SEARCH THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF INTERNET ARTICLES OUT THERE NOW THAT WILL TELL YOU WHAT OF 100 DIFFERENT AFFLICTIONS AND DISEASES YOU CAN GET FROM USING SPLENDA/SUCRALOSE!

Are people not catching on to this junk yet? These people want us to eat twigs and berries! If man maketh anything man be damned!

And so many of these bad ingredients occur in abundance in NATURE!

I like what my doctor told me > your past rate of consuming sugar would have killed you much faster than aspartame ever will.
You might have to ingest 500 packets a day for the next 30 years and THEN you might have a problem with aspartame.......
but you WERE consuming 125 teaspoons of sugar a day in your coffee and this does not include sodas and other sweets, you were 70lbs overweight,,,blood pressure and cholesterol through the roof.......THAT would have killed you MUCH MUCH sooner!

I dropped sugar,,,,switched to Aspartame,,,started exercising, lost 70lbs of fat in 6 months,,,,,,,blood pressure and cholesterol returned to NORMAL , same readings as when I was 17 in High school (am 35 now) and I've NEVER felt better in my life.....

[tre14]

im converted. aspartame is good. im only gonna use when cutting though.

[sfetaz]

Well tre14 I am listening to the Fox 5 news story (I am 5 minutes into it) and I hear absolutly nothing that is proof of dangers of aspertame. So far you have some people who are assuming aspertame is dangerous and causing them problems without any proof.

[sfetaz]

And I just listened to the entire news story, and I feel stronger about my views than ever before. I feel even stronger that aspertame is safe, and I feel stronger that the government is corupt.

The symptoms reported by people are not only minor things, but issues that make sense when ingesting Amino Acids. Some amino acids can effect one's mood and/or pain receptors. A few people on these board report headaches from taking aspertame products, but the other 99% do not.

Just because the government is corrupt, which I truly believe, does not mean that all studies ever done are invalid. No one can name a legitamite human study based on actual usage data (meaning the amount the average person ingests in a day for an extended period of time) that shows any dangers.

The one thing that entire 15 minutes of listening that was worth anything was the woman saying just drink water! Can't argue with that, even if I love Pepsi One!

[EDDOU1290]

Hey guys,
A quick suspicious note........I tried getting to that video, Fox report on Aspartame.......the hosting web site is aspartame.com
of course a scare tatic web site. This may sound silly but when I clicked on the link right from the post in this thread, I was getting a transfer rate of something like 13k/sec....then I went to the web site directly and tried it there,,,it was down to 2k/sec.

I'm on a high speed DSL connection,,,,,,,on most sites I get a file transfer rate from 96k/sec to 189k/sec....

This is telling me one of two things:

either tens of thousands are trying to access the file at the same time I am (which I doubt) OR

it's a low budget site hosted on a low budget server, which says to me it by a bunch of amateurs that are on a mission.....

just thought I'd share.........

[EDDOU1290]

Again though, not to be repetitive, I DO know a few people, personally and very well, so I know they're not blowing smoke, that do get headaches.......
must be just a sensativity to the aminos........

[tre14]

Originally posted by EDDOU1290
Hey guys,
A quick suspicious note........I tried getting to that video, Fox report on Aspartame.......the hosting web site is aspartame.com
of course a scare tatic web site. This may sound silly but when I clicked on the link right from the post in this thread, I was getting a transfer rate of something like 13k/sec....then I went to the web site directly and tried it there,,,it was down to 2k/sec.

I'm on a high speed DSL connection,,,,,,,on most sites I get a file transfer rate from 96k/sec to 189k/sec....

This is telling me one of two things:

either tens of thousands are trying to access the file at the same time I am (which I doubt) OR

it's a low budget site hosted on a low budget server, which says to me it by a bunch of amateurs that are on a mission.....

just thought I'd share.........

your probably right but that doesn't change the fox5 report.