This will make you ANGRY! Documentary about ADD

[Lawdog1379]

Ok, so my entire childhood till about 17 was merely a dream, influenced by drug companies. Cool!
Then would you like to explain to me why I was unable to concentrate on anything, merely everything at once, or focus entirely on just one thing? Or how about having random uncontrollable fits of rage where it felt like I was just watching myself wreak havoc? And why when I took the medicine for it this did not happen, yet when I missed it it did?

Children are children. They are growing up and their bodies go through a rollercoaster of emotional and physical changes. Parents and schoolteachers do not want to deal with it. Parents don't want to physically correct their kids and schoolteachers CANT because of lawsuits.

If I was your father I would attend class with you. Sit down next to you and watch you. Make sure your paying attention in class and treat you like a baby. I GUARANTEE your ADD would be cured. You would make damn sure that paying attention was your main priorty in life just to prevent the mass redicule of your peers from ever happening again.

[Mernalous]

Children are children. They are growing up and their bodies go through a rollercoaster of emotional and physical changes. Parents and schoolteachers do not want to deal with it. Parents don't want to physically correct their kids and schoolteachers CANT because of lawsuits.

If I was your father I would attend class with you. Sit down next to you and watch you. Make sure your paying attention in class and treat you like a baby. I GUARANTEE your ADD would be cured. You would make damn sure that paying attention was your main priorty in life just to prevent the mass redicule of your peers from ever happening again.

Read my other edited post further down the page. I had helpers sit with me in class, worse then having your father in class, had mother as a teacher there, neither helped one eyota. I hear about all these crap about people being designated as ADD after one sitting or whatever, I went through a battery of tests, and even had a rage during one. I assure you, that if ADD doesn't exist, then I have something else.

[bigmass98]

(yes long)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...99239524875493

Cliffs(only watched first few minutes so far)

-40 years ago, noone took medicine for ADD
-ADD is a made up problem for active kids for drug company's to make money
-Parents want an easy way out by saying their kid has ADD
-Kids do crazy stuff on their medicine

40??? my mom (RIP) used to beat the **** out of me 10 years ago for opening my mouth lol

[steezemcgreazee]

Now by no means I am saying your lieing , but how did you sit down and put enough concentration into what you just typed? If you have ADD would you not be able to focus enough to type and think out even half of what you just typed? To me this seems pretty well thought out.

if you dont have ADD you would never understand what we go through everyday, i can concentrate on things like for however long i need, but if im not interested i loose concentration every few seconds, i can hardly get a sectence off without day dreaming.
i cant do anything with math at all, ive been getting D's in math class for as long as i can remember

ADD has nothing to do with kids acting up or being bad , you all seem to keep thinking this, ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDER, means you cant concentrate

i might be having problems because ive had like 8 concussions from skiing but idk

[E-10]

(yes long)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...99239524875493

Cliffs(only watched first few minutes so far)

-40 years ago, noone took medicine for ADD
-ADD is a made up problem for active kids for drug company's to make money
-Parents want an easy way out by saying their kid has ADD
-Kids do crazy stuff on their medicine

i agree ADD is a sissy way out of life. Might as well give them a bong or a six pack every day. Drugs use is Drug use and if you require DRUGS to function every day just from normal life then your a druggie.

[hausheer769]

parents just need to take a more active role in there kids lives

[E-10]

Read my other edited post further down the page. I had helpers sit with me in class, worse then having your father in class, had mother as a teacher there, neither helped one eyota. I hear about all these crap about people being designated as ADD after one sitting or whatever, I went through a battery of tests, and even had a rage during one. I assure you, that if ADD doesn't exist, then I have something else.

Poor diet. Lack of physical activty. Too much Playstaion etc etc.

[MaddenMuscle]

(yes long)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...99239524875493

Cliffs(only watched first few minutes so far)

-40 years ago, noone took medicine for ADD
-ADD is a made up problem for active kids for drug company's to make money
-Parents want an easy way out by saying their kid has ADD
-Kids do crazy stuff on their medicine

Your right, im so pissed off right now.

[Geno]

You want to tell me that I don't have ADD?

Think again.

I was medicated from 1st grade through 10th grade, in some form or another and gave it up in 11th grade because I decided that I would rather struggle some more than give away my personality to some pill. Since then, every damn day has been a struggle. Even on the pills, I'd stuggle to do anything. Few of them actually over rode my ADD. It's 1:12 in the morning and I haven't done a bit of my homework yet. I have 3 days worth of math assignments that I haven't done the past 2 nights, and a physics assignment that's going to kick my ass. It's not that I'm intentionally avoiding it, I cannot, in all honesty sit down and do the work. It takes every bit of discipline in my body to get anything at all done, and in the end, most nights, I don't do a thing. It's not for lack of wanting, or sincerity,or hard work, believe me. I could often ask for nothing better than the ability to have the concentration to sit down and get my work done.

My dad and his brother both made it with ADD and are succesfull, but their parents weren't exactly what you'd call appropriate by todays standards in their discipline methods.

I think many people now are over diagnosed, plenty of people don't really have it. Unfortunately, some of us do have it, and bad as well.

Yes, I am going to tell you that you don't have ADD. You just typed a half page thesis on why you can't focus and can't do your homework. But in doing so, you proved that you can focus and can do work - it's just hard to do the work that you don't want to do. Guess what? It's hard for the rest of us as well.

If your dad had parented (and maybe even used those INNAPROPRIATE disciplinary methods on your lazy ass) properly instead of medicating you to the hilt and handing you an excuse not to do your best, then you would be a much better man today. I feel sorry for you because the extraordinarily poor job your parents did has mentally handicapped you - possibly for life.

[5x10]

the drug war we should be fighting is against the drug companies and doctors who prescribe this crap
heres an example of drug pushing

my wife' chest hurt
she went to the doc to make sure its not her heart
her sternum/ breast cavity was inflamed due to bench press
so he gave her anti-inflammatories and 60 MUSCLE RELAXERS!?!?!?
the doc told her to take three relaxers a day
i took 1 and it knocked me out

she didnt even have any muscle problems, why did they give her 60?

[Geno]

Read my other edited post further down the page. I had helpers sit with me in class, worse then having your father in class, had mother as a teacher there, neither helped one eyota. I hear about all these crap about people being designated as ADD after one sitting or whatever, I went through a battery of tests, and even had a rage during one. I assure you, that if ADD doesn't exist, then I have something else.

You have something for sure - an extremely poor set of parents who are too sorry to bust your ass when you needed it.

[E-10]

Drug reps visit my wifes work a few times a week. The buy lunch for the whole staff. Pass out free pens, note pads, pictures, clocks etc etc ALL with there DRUG name on it. The doc gets some free samples.


I've went to docs before and just straight up asked for xyz meds and got them. Of course i had a need. But I was able to use the PDR and pick out which acne meds I wanted to try. Also requested some topical pain relief pads instead of narcotics. Crazy thing was the docs didn't even really care or ask why. just wanted to see what the normal daily dose was so they could write the script. Then off to the next patient. Saves him time and you get the drugs you want.

[b.spencer]

Until this current school year, I was a special ed teacher.

I can tell you that from my perspective, ADD/ADHD is waaaay over diagnosed and overmedicated. ADD/ADHD diagnoses (if you can all them that) are growing so fast that it i almost overwhelming the SPED system. Virtually all of the referrals for eval come from teachers who want placid automatons they can program, not real live children. Any classroom discipline problem that takes a bit of thought to solve is called ADD. Parents are not that much better. There are proved behavior mod strategies that work with "overactive" kids that teach them how to channel it into appropriate times and places. They work for most of them.

There are some who have an actual brain chemistry imbalance and need the drugs (Personally, I believe there is an environmental trigger in these cases). I've seen the drugs to miracles in some children who really need them. But that number is few.

[shane130]

You want to tell me that I don't have ADD?

Think again.

I was medicated from 1st grade through 10th grade, in some form or another and gave it up in 11th grade because I decided that I would rather struggle some more than give away my personality to some pill. Since then, every damn day has been a struggle. Even on the pills, I'd stuggle to do anything. Few of them actually over rode my ADD. It's 1:12 in the morning and I haven't done a bit of my homework yet. I have 3 days worth of math assignments that I haven't done the past 2 nights, and a physics assignment that's going to kick my ass. It's not that I'm intentionally avoiding it, I cannot, in all honesty sit down and do the work. It takes every bit of discipline in my body to get anything at all done, and in the end, most nights, I don't do a thing. It's not for lack of wanting, or sincerity,or hard work, believe me. I could often ask for nothing better than the ability to have the concentration to sit down and get my work done.

My dad and his brother both made it with ADD and are succesfull, but their parents weren't exactly what you'd call appropriate by todays standards in their discipline methods.

I think many people now are over diagnosed, plenty of people don't really have it. Unfortunately, some of us do have it, and bad as well.

sounds to me ur just lazy, i get bored and i cant concentrate but i get my sit done. their was a kid in my class who was ALLOWED to disrupt the class if he got mad or bored. if i did that i get a detention

[Illuminatus]

Psychiatry is RAPE!!!


In my early twenties I was locked in a mental hospital FOR SMOKING WEED!
They told me I had bipolar, bio-shizo, borderline personality and FUKING SCHIZOPHRENIA!!!

I was locked in a little room for 52 days. I was injected daily.

I gained 55 pounds.

They take away your rights.

It was a living hell.


FUK PSYCHIATRISTS! WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!!!

I HAVE SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES RUINED BY THESE DRUGS!!!

[JuanDenver]

obviously add is just a copout/money maker for drug companies.

god knows how america/world survived before these drugs.

[JuanDenver]

Ok, so my entire childhood till about 17 was merely a dream, influenced by drug companies. Cool!
Then would you like to explain to me why I was unable to concentrate on anything, merely everything at once, or focus entirely on just one thing? Or how about having random uncontrollable fits of rage where it felt like I was just watching myself wreak havoc? And why when I took the medicine for it this did not happen, yet when I missed it it did?

youre no different than any one else. i got through college with the same problem. but the difference is that i had the disipline to sit down for hours a day and read a book. i would FORCE my self to do it even though i couldnt help but be distracted. i had to take a break every 15-45 minutes in order to reward myself for any hard work i put in.

and as for your "rage", that would be your parents fault for caving into your tantrums because thats how you got your way.

[raidz]

their was a kid in my class who was ALLOWED to disrupt the class if he got mad or bored. if i did that i get a detention

Thats your teachers fault. Disability or not, disruption in classrooms is usually not tolerated.

[raidz]

So let me get this strait, you're going to come in here and defend ADD, then tell me I'm lazy and don't have it?

What is it that true ADD patients have that I don't? You defend it's existence, now tell me, what is it that I'm missing to make me ADD?

I never said you didn't have it. I can't diagnose you either way but some of the stuff you were listing makes me think you might be using the disorder as an excuse in some circumstances. Not trying to discredit you or say you don't have it.

[xucardsfan08]

We gotta bunch of Scientologists here.

If you do not have the disorder, you cannot possibly fathom what it is like to have the disorder. For the record, ADD isn't the proper name now, the DSM-IV classifies all ADHD into three different categories.
I was diagnosed in college after seeing my doctor although I should have been diagnosed in high school.
It is just plain ignorance that people think its a made up disease. Did you know there is no scientific test for schizophrenia? Does that mean it is fake as well?

ADHD has been around forever, despite gaining notoreity recently. I will agree that it is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean there are not people who do have it.
Here is an example of one SCIENTIFIC difference between a ADHD brain and non-ADHD brain:

Per Wikipedia:

In 493 BC, physician-scientist Hippocrates described a condition that seems to be compatible with what we now know as ADHD. He described patients who had "quickened responses to sensory experience, but also less tenaciousness because the soul moves on quickly to the next impression". Hippocrates attributed this condition to an "overbalance of fire over water”.

[raidz]

Give me a fcuking break. They diagnosed me with that crap when I was a kid and told my mother I should go on Ritalin and other various drugs. My mother refused and just used good old fashion ass kicking. Well guess what. I made it through high school. Never ONCE spent a day in jail and I now have a very nice career. I did CRAZY things when I was young and also had a hard time concentrating on doing homework. However you know what? I surely didn't have a hard time spending every miniute of the day on a computer. You don't have ADD. You just don't want to do anything that you have created in your mind as a waste of time AND your parents probably don't kick your ass. If I was your father lol oh you better bet you'd be doing your homework. Just the thought of sitting down and working on your homework would give you a religous experience. That and the fact that my foot would be a permanent resident in your ass.

Did they officially diagnose you or was it some school counselor or general practitioner?

You probably didn't have ADD.

My sons teachers couldn't say he needed it but would go all the way around the fukking world by saying he may need to see a doctor. why, so he can make your job easy? I almost started him on it when he was 8yrs old and his reply was, "You want me to be a robot?'' ??? needless to say he never took any meds. and now I am thankful I didn't.
Oh BTW I have never spanked my kids. It's that look I gave them... lol that's all it took. plus restrictions. I have great, well behaved children. Thank God!

There are other rotes to treat add, not just maledictions.
i.e.: Behavior Therapy, Coping Skills, Tutoring...

lol at people blaming their lazyness and stupidity on having add

LOL at you generalizing peoplee with add as stupid lazy, asshat.

Interesting. Selective ADD, or am I reading this wrong?

Realistically, it's not outside the realm of "normalcy" to avoid or put off that which does not interest you in favor of putting your time into things you find fun or exciting, like the Misc., for example. However, it's a learning process while aging and going to school to override the impulse to procrastinate and man up to your responsibilities.

People who have ADD have a lack of impulse control so it is usually harder for them to control procrastination ect. They usually need to do something very stimulating to get tasks completed.

******** owns...if you abuse it and get addicted to it, its your own fault...But if you need to learn 5 chapters of a 500 level biochem class in 1 night I am damn glad I have it....


It gets a bad wrap because yes it is a CNS stimulent, yes it is addictive, yes it will make you bipolar, but in terms of function it is unmatched...if you have it use it when you need it and use the smallest dose possible. Retards always have to sniff it or use it for weight loss and screw up its use for everyone else.

It will not make you bipolar, it can cause mania or psychotic episodes. It is easily addictive and not controlled well enough by PDo's these days.

......If I was your father I would attend class with you. Sit down next to you and watch you. Make sure your paying attention in class and treat you like a baby. I GUARANTEE your ADD would be cured. You would make damn sure that paying attention was your main priorty in life just to prevent the mass redicule of your peers from ever happening again.

If that were true you would be a millionare.

[draco]

We gotta bunch of Scientologists here.

If you do not have the disorder, you cannot possibly fathom what it is like to have the disorder. For the record, ADD isn't the proper name now, the DSM-IV classifies all ADHD into three different categories.
I was diagnosed in college after seeing my doctor although I should have been diagnosed in high school.
It is just plain ignorance that people think its a made up disease. Did you know there is no scientific test for schizophrenia? Does that mean it is fake as well?

ADHD has been around forever, despite gaining notoreity recently. I will agree that it is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean there are not people who do have it.
Here is an example of one SCIENTIFIC difference between a ADHD brain and non-ADHD brain:

Per Wikipedia:

How was your high school experience? What has changed since being diagnosed? Would it have been better knowing this earlier? No hate, just curious about this subject.

[raidz]

obviously add is just a copout/money maker for drug companies.

god knows how america/world survived before these drugs.

Thats a pretty general observation to making. I don't believe add can make a civilization fall. Give me example of how ADD is a copout if you don't mind.

We gotta bunch of Scientologists here.

If you do not have the disorder, you cannot possibly fathom what it is like to have the disorder. For the record, ADD isn't the proper name now, the DSM-IV classifies all ADHD into three different categories.
I was diagnosed in college after seeing my doctor although I should have been diagnosed in high school.
It is just plain ignorance that people think its a made up disease. Did you know there is no scientific test for schizophrenia? Does that mean it is fake as well?

ADHD has been around forever, despite gaining notoreity recently. I will agree that it is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean there are not people who do have it.
Here is an example of one SCIENTIFIC difference between a ADHD brain and non-ADHD brain:

Per Wikipedia:

Reps on reload, I have a suspicion most of the posters in here are going on emotion rather than scientific facts.

Psychiatry is RAPE!!!


In my early twenties I was locked in a mental hospital FOR SMOKING WEED!
They told me I had bipolar, bio-shizo, borderline personality and FUKING SCHIZOPHRENIA!!!

I was locked in a little room for 52 days. I was injected daily.

I gained 55 pounds.

They take away your rights.

It was a living hell.


FUK PSYCHIATRISTS! WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!!!

I HAVE SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES RUINED BY THESE DRUGS!!!

Maybe the Doctors were partly Accurate......

[AHS-Wrestler]

I'm done here. I've explained everything I can possibly explain. I'm not going to sit here and be bad mouthed by a bunch of people who don't know me and who geniunely don't know my circumstances. The last few years I've given everything I have to learning to be independent and do my work. It hasn't come very far but everyday is learning and working experience. Get over yourselves and you're ass beating raising. I was raised like that too. My parents didn't, and don't put up with any bull****.

I'm done here.

Ever consider that maybe since you had been on drugs that your body developed an addiction to them and now that you have gotten off the drugs your body can't function normally. It's just an easy way out for the parents. Honestly how could you tell at Grade 1? Every 6 year old is wild and spontaneous. How often do you see a 6 year old doing something diligently with extreme focus regularly?

I wasn't around then but years ago when someone couldn't concentrate it was basically because they were ****ing stupid, plain and simple. Some people are smart, some aren't. Doesn't mean they need drugs.

[raidz]

Ever consider that maybe since you had been on drugs that your body developed an addiction to them and now that you have gotten off the drugs your body can't function normally. It's just an easy way out for the parents. Honestly how could you tell at Grade 1? Every 6 year old is wild and spontaneous. How often do you see a 6 year old doing something diligently with extreme focus regularly?

Unless he was abusing them everyday on high doses his body did not chemically or physically change long term.

I wasn't around then but years ago when someone couldn't concentrate it was basically because they were ****ing stupid, plain and simple. Some people are smart, some aren't. Doesn't mean they need drugs.

If only if it were that simple.

[xucardsfan08]

How was your high school experience? What has changed since being diagnosed? Would it have been better knowing this earlier? No hate, just curious about this subject.

I got by in high school with a B average w/o studying at all just based on my intelligence. What prompted me to consider getting diagnosed was looking back at my report cards and for each class, every year, the same comments kept coming up (they had default comments to choose from):
1) Bright student
2) Talks too much/Doesn't pay attention

My economics teacher caught me daydreaming in every class and referred to it as [insert my last name]-land. I've never had big discipline problems outside your normal kid behavior. I am very impulsive however and I forgetful of daily activities. In addition to my medication, I have to make a schedule of everything I am going to do on a certain day otherwise I'll forget half the stuff.

[edible_eye]

Did you know there is no scientific test for schizophrenia? Does that mean it is fake as well?

There's a direct causal, genetic link - that of a previous diagnosis of Schizophrenia on the father's side as well as significant diagnostic criteria on CT-SCAN / MRI. Both the prefrontal cortex (the front of the brain where immediate processing occurs) and limbic system (sits atop the brain stem and is primarily responsible for emotional reactions) are directly affected.

Schizophrenia is diagnosed by way of subjective report, much like ADD / ADHD.

ADHD has been around forever, despite gaining notoreity recently. I will agree that it is overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean there are not people who do have it.
Here is an example of one SCIENTIFIC difference between a ADHD brain and non-ADHD brain:

Per Wikipedia:

Scan done while patient on meds. or off meds.? Illicit drugs involved? Alcohol? What, exactly, are we looking at here?

As for the first part of your post here, sure - while ADD is a valid diagnosis, there is actually no specific diagnostic criteria to definitively say, "Yes. Your child has it." It is diagnosed, rather, as a rule out - a patient without schizophrenia, without Bipolar Disorder, etc. - can be diagnosed with ADD. To blithely spout that someone has ADD just because he or she can't concentrate and is out of control is both inappropriate and inaccurate. Why?

The evaluation process for a clear diagnosis needs to occur over time and with more than one visit. This type of involvement doesn't happen, by and large. And that, unfortunately, is the reason it is largely overdiagnosed.

That said, medication has been created to perform a certain function and it performs that function quite well - as evidenced by people in this thread who are not diagnosed and yet have still taken them and found to benefit their studying or whatever. Just because someone responds to a medication does not mean one has gained justification to support a diagnosis.

Most people are diagnosed out of convenience. To believe otherwise is to be both unread and uninformed.

[Squirty]

I have ADD and I can tell you it's REAL.

[edible_eye]

People who have ADD have a lack of impulse control so it is usually harder for them to control procrastination ect. They usually need to do something very stimulating to get tasks completed.

Children, by their very nature, have a lack of impulse control. It's always easier for someone to procrastinate, especially if they've been given a crutch to justify it. As for something stimulating - that describes just about everyone.

[Squirty]

parents just need to take a more active role in there kids lives

if it were only that simple