The real reason dating is broken in rich, modern countries

[Sybb]

So here's the thing:

We all know women are picky as hell. Much moreso than men. But there's a reason for this, and to understand this reason we need to go back in time, to less developed and civilized times. Many women died while giving birth, so to become pregnant was a huge risk for them. What do you do when you take a huge risk? You become careful. This is the biological reason why women are so much more picky than men. It's because of their instinct towards risk.

However.

In modern, rich countries, this risk is very low. A woman can now take pills to stop pregnancy, and due to public healthcare that didn't exist in the past, the risk of giving birth is very low. This means that while women's risk have decreased significally, their pickiness and huge advantages are still intact. Basically, they have gotten rid of their disadvantages, but they kept all their advantages. This is also what all the non high status men are reacting to now. Men are just starting to understand this, what huge advantage women have over them in the dating market.

Women will still just go after the top men, while still enjoying almost no risk. They eat the cake and still have it. Also, thanks to women being economical independent, and thanks to possibilies to get children without men (like fertilizer programs and such), women get even more incentive to ignore the non high status men, even if they can't get the top men. All these incentives means that they rather live alone than getting together with the vast majority of low status men. That's the problem we're having today.

But there's more.

What about lonely women? Well, if a woman is lonely, it's because she has chosen to be lonely. She has rejected men. Almost any woman can go out at any given time, online or in real life, to get attention and validation from men. This is why incel women don't exist.
Lonely men on the other hand are lonely because they have been rejected by women, not because they have rejected women. Any non high status man knows he can't just go out and get female validation or attention. Women will treat him like thin air, while men will give the average woman positive special treatment.

All the above is largely ignored by feminists and mainstream media. Men are always seen as the problem, while women can never do anything wrong. Think about it, when a woman has problems, it's NEVER her own fault. It's the fault of norms or society or men. When men have problems, they need to "work on themselves".

What the modern non high status man needs to do is to mentally get rid of women. Focus on work, hobbies, traning etc. The worst thing the modern man can do is to be a simp. Want sex? Look at porn, but NEVER pay for it. Any man who pays for OnlyFans is doing his own gender a huge disservice. Most OF users pay to talk to women, but since these conversations are very shallow, use AI instead for that need.

[Brommando]

The easier it becomes to live, the harder it becomes to procreate.

[phaginator]

Islam is right about women

[Fang2]

I think because social media has made a lot of people extremely anti-social. Back in the 80s....there were no smart phones. Men had to actually approach the woman they'd like. Everyone was waaaaaaaay more sociable back then. There was no tinder, or grindr for miscers, to find someone to date/bang.

[Sybb]

I think because social media has made a lot of people extremely anti-social. Back in the 80s....there were no smart phones. Men had to actually approach the woman they'd like. Everyone was waaaaaaaay more sociable back then. There was no tinder, or grindr for miscers, to find someone to date/bang.

True, but social media has also introduced global competition. Women have endless men to choose from today, not just the men at their school or workplace. This new, huge selection affects their behaviour.

Plus people consume love like music, we give a new man/woman a very short amount of time before we get tired of them, because we know the selection is so huge we can always find another one.

[robreynolds1234]

When it comes to women picking or liking a men it's all about the money...even to maintain a relationship you would need a solid financial backup....it's sad and unfortunate it's like that...but that's what it is..and so not everyone is rich...so not everyone gets love or the woman.

[Sybb]

When it comes to women picking or liking a men it's all about the money...even to maintain a relationship you would need a solid financial backup....it's sad and unfortunate it's like that...but that's what it is..and so not everyone is rich...so not everyone gets love or the woman.

Depends on the country. In poor country it is like you say. In rich countries, women can make their own money, which has led them to the path of single life, unless they can land a high status man, which most women can not.

[Tanerian]

It's good. The undesirable men will slowly stop spreading their seed, and offing themselves. The future is full of Chads and Chad-lites.

[robreynolds1234]

Depends on the country. In poor country it is like you say. In rich countries, women can make their own money, which has led them to the path of single life, unless they can land a high status man, which most women can not.

Yeah but even in rich countries...if women make their own money...they would still be seeking a rich men...or would rather be single then to settle for an ordinary person...

[robreynolds1234]

It's good. The undesirable men will slowly stop spreading their seed, and offing themselves. The future is full of Chads and Chad-lites.

Could be, we've entered a highly competitive era..where everyone wants to be right and perfect...if they don't meet the standards, they just off themselves anyways....and the society will off them too..but there is a difference between being a Chad and a rich man?

[Sybb]

It's good. The undesirable men will slowly stop spreading their seed, and offing themselves. The future is full of Chads and Chad-lites.

True, but what will happen with society when you literally have hundreds of millions of lonely men who get more and more bitter and angry? It could end in social collapse on a scale we have never seen before.

[robreynolds1234]

True, but what will happen with society when you literally have hundreds of millions of lonely men who get more and more bitter and angry? It could end in social collapse on a scale we have never seen before.

And if everyone was a Chad and a rich men...that would get boring real soon too....then a new competition will start?

[Sybb]

Yeah but even in rich countries...if women make their own money...they would still be seeking a rich men...or would rather be single then to settle for an ordinary person...

Yes, women always date upwards, because they naturally see themselves as less than men. Men don't date upwards, they date any woman who looks moderately good. That's also a huge difference, because when society becomes hyper competetive like today, it's men who lose out, not women.

[robreynolds1234]

Yes, women always date upwards, because they naturally see themselves as less than men. Men don't date upwards, they date any woman who looks moderately good. That's also a huge difference, because when society becomes hyper competetive like today, it's men who lose out, not women.

But also there's an important point, most men date any woman who just looks moderately good because they are looking for short-term fun be it romance or sexxxxxx....but women mostly look for long-term and stable relationship so they make sure they find the best pick.

[Sybb]

But also there's an important point, most men date any woman who just looks moderately good because they are looking for short-term fun be it romance or sexxxxxx....but women mostly look for long-term and stable relationship so they make sure they find the best pick.

Very true and good point. You often hear women complain about this when they find their high status man, only for him to cheat on her a few months later because he know he can get any woman he wants.

However, the fact still remains that women have it endlessly easier to get attention and validation, which means they'll never suffer from feeling useless or being lonely like men do.

[DrLarkens]

The reason that dating broke down in Western countries:

1. For the vast majority of males, woman will never be attracted to you for your physicality; women are hardcore eugenics. This is why when we look at hookup apps like tinder/bumble, the vast majority of men are left out of it or have extremely poor rates for getting casual sex. Men's big draw in attraction comes from resource acquisition, which is why men tend to notice an increase in their dating power as they get older and make money. We even see this in the amount of single men drastically dropping as we move over from 20s into 30s and beyond.



Example, avg guy swips on 6000+ profiles, got only 3 dates out of it and none lead to sex.

2. Men gave woman the ability to provide for themselves. Now that feminism have pushed woman towards competing with men for jobs, a lot of woman are finding out that they don't need to settle for men like in the past. They don't need to latch on to a guy that they don't really like because he's essential for their survival. And thus, woman are opting to remain alone or hold out for a guy that they actually want.




3. Media companies have convinced woman that they need to raise their standards and not settle for an avg guy. Society and the media in general tell woman that they are perfect and deserve X guy, rather than having to work for it. Many woman are also of the belief that they are the prize and men are lesser than them. This type of mentality results in woman not respecting the avg guy, which is why they often treat guys like dog ****.


4. Feminism has created a gender war between the sexes that spills over from online into the real world. Many western, woman see men as their oppressor and the enemy. They think it's demeaning to have to submit to a man and are all about equality.

5. Social media has resulted in woman being gas lighted online by both men and woman. Thousand of horny men go on multiple woman's accounts and tell them how perfect they are, and tons of female go on female accounts calling them pretty. This type of treatment is going to make an avg 5/10 think that she's an 8/10.

6. Women are hypergamous by nature and are not happy settling down with guys that are lesser than the men that they use to date. Women also tend to not respond favorably to men simping and treating them too well. So what happens when a woman in her physical prime (18-24) gets to have fun with a really hot and/or rich guy for a ONS/situationship? Well that's going to be her new standard for the man that she expects to get commitment from. And If she has to settle for a less attractive guy for LTR, she is going to be unhappy with him. This unhappiness can present in form of her being passive aggressive to her just waking up one morning and divorcing you.



7. More woman are opting to join soft harems and be a side hoe for a hot and/or rich guy than settle for being the only girl for an avg guy.

[Clueeless]

Women don't even want attention from low status men. Everyone would be happier alone, expect high status men and beautiful women.

[Sybb]

The reason that dating broke down in Western countries:

1. For the vast majority of males, woman will never be attracted to you for your physicality; women are hardcore eugenics. This is why when we look at hookup apps like tinder/bumble, the vast majority of men are left out of it or have extremely poor rates for getting casual sex. Men's big draw in attraction comes from resource acquisition, which is why men tend to notice an increase in their dating power as they get older and make money. We even see this in the amount of single men drastically dropping as we move over from 20s into 30s and beyond.



Example, avg guy swips on 6000+ profiles, got only 3 dates out of it and none lead to sex.

2. Men gave woman the ability to provide for themselves. Now that feminism have pushed woman towards competing with men for jobs, a lot of woman are finding out that they don't need to settle for men like in the past. They don't need to latch on to a guy that they don't really like because he's essential for their survival. And thus, woman are opting to remain alone or hold out for a guy that they actually want.




3. Media companies have convinced woman that they need to raise their standards and not settle for an avg guy. Society and the media in general tell woman that they are perfect and deserve X guy, rather than having to work for it. Many woman are also of the belief that they are the prize and men are lesser than them. This type of mentality results in woman not respecting the avg guy, which is why they often treat guys like dog ****.


4. Feminism has created a gender war between the sexes that spills over from online into the real world. Many western, woman see men as their oppressor and the enemy. They think it's demeaning to have to submit to a man and are all about equality.

5. Social media has resulted in woman being gas lighted online by both men and woman. Thousand of horny men go on multiple woman's accounts and tell them how perfect they are, and tons of female go on female accounts calling them pretty. This type of treatment is going to make an avg 5/10 think that she's an 8/10.

6. Women are hypergamous by nature and are not happy settling down with guys that are lesser than the men that they use to date. Women also tend to not respond favorably to men simping and treating them too well. So what happens when a woman in her physical prime (18-24) gets to have fun with a really hot and/or rich guy for a ONS/situationship? Well that's going to be her new standard for the man that she expects to get commitment from. And If she has to settle for a less attractive guy for LTR, she is going to be unhappy with him. This unhappiness can present in form of her being passive aggressive to her just waking up one morning and divorcing you.



7. More woman are opting to join soft harems and be a side hoe for a hot and/or rich guy than settle for being the only girl for an avg guy.

1) I agree.

2) True.

3) Very true. The narrative where women are always good enough, and men need to "work on themselves" stems from feminists in the media, and can be seen all the time. When women as a group have problems, it's NEVER their own fault.

4) I agree here too.

5) You're good.

6) The whole balance between men and women has become completely facked up.

7) Yes, because their nature tells them to go after the top 10% of men. In the past they couldn't do this because of economical reasons, but now they can. I wonder though what will happen to cat ladies when they turn 50 and live alone. Will they really think they made the right decision in life?

[Clueeless]

The reason that dating broke down in Western countries:

1. For the vast majority of males, woman will never be attracted to you for your physicality; women are hardcore eugenics. This is why when we look at hookup apps like tinder/bumble, the vast majority of men are left out of it or have extremely poor rates for getting casual sex. Men's big draw in attraction comes from resource acquisition, which is why men tend to notice an increase in their dating power as they get older and make money. We even see this in the amount of single men drastically dropping as we move over from 20s into 30s and beyond.



Example, avg guy swips on 6000+ profiles, got only 3 dates out of it and none lead to sex.

2. Men gave woman the ability to provide for themselves. Now that feminism have pushed woman towards competing with men for jobs, a lot of woman are finding out that they don't need to settle for men like in the past. They don't need to latch on to a guy that they don't really like because he's essential for their survival. And thus, woman are opting to remain alone or hold out for a guy that they actually want.




3. Media companies have convinced woman that they need to raise their standards and not settle for an avg guy. Society and the media in general tell woman that they are perfect and deserve X guy, rather than having to work for it. Many woman are also of the belief that they are the prize and men are lesser than them. This type of mentality results in woman not respecting the avg guy, which is why they often treat guys like dog ****.


4. Feminism has created a gender war between the sexes that spills over from online into the real world. Many western, woman see men as their oppressor and the enemy. They think it's demeaning to have to submit to a man and are all about equality.

5. Social media has resulted in woman being gas lighted online by both men and woman. Thousand of horny men go on multiple woman's accounts and tell them how perfect they are, and tons of female go on female accounts calling them pretty. This type of treatment is going to make an avg 5/10 think that she's an 8/10.

6. Women are hypergamous by nature and are not happy settling down with guys that are lesser than the men that they use to date. Women also tend to not respond favorably to men simping and treating them too well. So what happens when a woman in her physical prime (18-24) gets to have fun with a really hot and/or rich guy for a ONS/situationship? Well that's going to be her new standard for the man that she expects to get commitment from. And If she has to settle for a less attractive guy for LTR, she is going to be unhappy with him. This unhappiness can present in form of her being passive aggressive to her just waking up one morning and divorcing you.



7. More woman are opting to join soft harems and be a side hoe for a hot and/or rich guy than settle for being the only girl for an avg guy.

Those YouTube videos are only made to make money of weak people.

[yewotm8]

None of that chit matters. The basis of civilization is the propertization of women. They are owned by their father until given to the husband in marriage. "Who giveth this woman to this man?" is not just a phrase. Christianity made this act a sacrament, one of the most important functions of the church, and it's destruction was very damaging to it.

If women make their own decisions about who to fuk and marry, you get no kids and no families. Women with options always think they can do better, and it needs to be made clear to them that they have none. Then suddenly they will love their beta husbands and have many children with them.

We haven't "advanced" as a society, we've regressed. We've lost important social technology that allows people to actually form families and have children. We are savages without the basic structure of civilization.

Make women property again.

[dingler]

The misc becomes more and more pathetic every day. Men and women contribute equally to dating problems. Both men and women are down with non-committal sex now adays. This ruins the desirability of women and lessens the chance of men wanting to commit.

[Clueeless]

The misc becomes more and more pathetic every day. Men and women contribute equally to dating problems. Both men and women are down with non-committal sex now adays. This ruins the desirability of women and lessens the chance of men wanting to commit.

I would argue women have insane expectations on men today, and only the very top men can reach those expectations. That's the base problem.

The media is also all on women's side. Remember how the media use to talk about harmful beauty standards for women? They would never ever talk about harmful male standards that women have, standards which are impossible to reach for most of us.

[BespokenBrah]

[Clueeless]

None of that chit matters. The basis of civilization is the propertization of women. They are owned by their father until given to the husband in marriage. "Who giveth this woman to this man?" is not just a phrase. Christianity made this act a sacrament, one of the most important functions of the church, and it's destruction was very damaging to it.

If women make their own decisions about who to fuk and marry, you get no kids and no families. Women with options always think they can do better, and it needs to be made clear to them that they have none. Then suddenly they will love their beta husbands and have many children with them.

We haven't "advanced" as a society, we've regressed. We've lost important social technology that allows people to actually form families and have children. We are savages without the basic structure of civilization.

Make women property again.

This sounds like something coming from someone who can't get a woman.

[Sybb]

The misc becomes more and more pathetic every day. Men and women contribute equally to dating problems. Both men and women are down with non-committal sex now adays. This ruins the desirability of women and lessens the chance of men wanting to commit.

It's the insane standards of modern women that has ruined the most, though. Imagine men only dating perfect 10/10 blonde photo models. That's what modern women are doing, but the other way around.

[eddiehaskell]

men just have to get used to a world where dating isn't really a thing. today's men are children of men where dating was a thing so they are sorta upset because they expect the same. muh dad dated in the 90s so why can't i do the same in 2020-2024?

[JoeWinko]

why dating is broken in rich modern countries?
i can't say why for straight people but for gay guys, it's because gay guys are too judgemental & too slutty... it seems like every guy i have ever talked to on grindr just wants to suck off as many men as possible -_-

[Omnivium]

S

What's with this cartoon chit? You jack off to cartoons?

[Sybb]

What's with this cartoon chit? You jack off to cartoons?

What's wrong with cartoons? It's not as the women on your computer screen will ever hug you, either.

[Clueeless]

men just have to get used to a world where dating isn't really a thing. today's men are children of men where dating was a thing so they are sorta upset because they expect the same. muh dad dated in the 90s so why can't i do the same in 2020-2024?

It's mostly due to global competition having an extremely harsh effect on most people. Only the best men and women today will be able to form a relationship. In the near future, hundreds of millions will be lonely.