Just LOL at Trump's New Healthcare EO

[Renegade83]

Denninger says it best :

**** you Mr. President and your "Executive Order."

Double-**** you Rand Paul.

There is no "reform" in your Executive Order; selling insurance across state lines and allowing "skinny" plans does nothing to address cost.

You could, via Executive Order, direct the FTC to go after medical providers of all stripes for refusing to publish prices, declaring such an action to be a deceptive practice and thus in violation of Federal Law and Regulation. Every single business we deal with daily, with the exception of health care, posts prices and thus allows us to shop before we buy. It is only health care that lacks this essential element of a market and in any other line of work such would have long-ago led to enforcement actions and even indictments.

You could, via Executive Order, direct Jeff Sessions to enforce 15 USC Chapter 1 against all medical firms as regard disparate pricing based on one's insurance status, a clearly-extortionate and illegal act under 100+ year old law which forbids any collusive act intended to limit competition and/or fix prices. Said law has been challenged twice by the insurance industry all the way up to the United States Supreme Court with the first such challenge in 1979 (Group Life & Health .v. Royal Drug, 440 US 205) claiming an exemption for health insurance providers under McCarran-Ferguson. THEY LOST. I have repeatedly heard from myriad "lawmakers" that health insurance and medical providers are exempt from anti-trust; this is a bald lie given that there are two cases which went to the United States Supreme Court and were lost after attempting to assert exactly this claim. What's even more outrageous is that after the second loss the State of California wrote a section into their BPR code (similar to the federal CFRs) that explicitly exempts health providers from the effects of that US Supreme Court decision yet it is a fact that no state regulator or legislature can exempt someone from a federal law. That such a claim continues to be made by lawmakers, including Matt Gaetz just recently here in a Town Hall meeting in Florida, is an outrage and a deliberate fraud upon the public in which you are not only complicit you are the chief fraud enabler and promoter.

You, Mr. President, had not one but two items in your platform when running for President that addressed these issues, with one of them requiring the publication of prices. As soon as you were elected that provision disappeared and has never been seen or heard since.

You're a damned liar Mr. President, and watching you at the dias this morning I want to ****ing puke at the crap you are running on the American people with the full support of Rand Paul, who likewise wants to screw Americans by extending anti-trust protection to all medical providers. He has in fact repeatedly tried to pass such a provision which would make legal that which currently is not, and which has been ruled illegal twice at the US Supreme Court but which your Administration, just like the previous ones, refuse to enforce.

The actions of this industry are illegal and between them medical firms steal over $3 trillion a year from Americans, enough for each and every American family to afford the payment on a middle-class house.

**** you Mr. President, **** you Rand Paul, and **** you Congress.

Just LOL. No healthcare reform, no tax reform, but hey coals comin back! MAGA!

[jdo1]

So what you expect him to do since the Senate and Congress won't work together?

[Kane_89]

So what you expect him to do since the Senate and Congress won't work together?

How about actually putting in the time and effort to persuade them to make a deal? He hasnt done sh*t.

[TaeBoNinja]

So we posting random blog posts now? "Amazon is in trouble. Serious trouble."

It's hilarious have most on the Left can never articulate their own views. They just search for other's and then parrot them. OP is a complete waste of oxygen.

[Renegade83]

So what you expect him to do since the Senate and Congress won't work together?

Wasn't he supposed to be the shining savior deal maker? Too busy tweeting about the ****ing NFL and pulling aid from Puerto Rico to actually do his job. Posting prices on the ****ing door shouldn't be that hard to get both sides of the aisle behind.

[Cleveland33]

"selling insurance across state lines and allowing "skinny" plans does nothing to address cost."

When 70% of counties in the country have fewer than 2 providers, yes selling across state lines will drive costs down.

I can't even understand an argument FOR not selling across state lines, it makes zero sense.

[Renegade83]

So we posting random blog posts now? "Amazon is in trouble. Serious trouble."

It's hilarious have most on the Left can never articulate their own views. They just search for other's and then parrot them. OP is a complete waste of oxygen.

Please point out where he is wrong. Tip : He's not.

[dhawkeye1980]

How about actually putting in the time and effort to persuade them to make a deal? He hasnt done sh*t.

How about obama and the democrats not get us in this mess in the first place?

[Renegade83]

"selling insurance across state lines and allowing "skinny" plans does nothing to address cost."

When 70% of counties in the country have fewer than 2 providers, yes selling across state lines will drive costs down.

I can't even understand an argument FOR not selling across state lines, it makes zero sense.

Insurance isn't wildly expensive because there isn't competition between insurers, its wildy expensive because pricing is completely obscured. I'm sure everyone can attest to getting a medical bill in the mail and been like "how the **** does this cost that much?"

Personal example, had to get a lumbar MRI without contrast. Hospital billed $3k+, insurance knocked it down to $1800, I called and bitched and got it down to $1400. I could have paid $600-$800 cash for it at an independent MRI providers.

[Ten_Hearts]

How about obama and the democrats not get us in this mess in the first place?

“We have a president that can't get anything done so he just keeps signing executive orders all over the place.”

[Renegade83]

How about obama and the democrats not get us in this mess in the first place?

Last time I checked, Obama isn't President and we haven't invented time machines yet. Circle-jerk-blame-gaming isn't going to move the ball forward.

[Cleveland33]

Wasn't he supposed to be the shining savior deal maker? Too busy tweeting about the ****ing NFL and pulling aid from Puerto Rico to actually do his job. Posting prices on the ****ing door shouldn't be that hard to get both sides of the aisle behind.

They'll never put pricing on the door, nor should they.

You start itemizing the costs and people are going to start demanding you leave certain aspects off.

[TaeBoNinja]

Please point out where he is wrong. Tip : He's not.

Have him come here to post that crap instead. I'm not responding to a cringey clickbait post on another website.

[Renegade83]

Have him come here to post that crap instead. I'm not responding to a cringey clickbait post on another website.

You've responded twice whining about it. Just LOL.

Again, are we going to debate the facts or not? Would it be better if I didn't give credit to the author and claimed it as my own? Will your feels be less triggered?

[Kane_89]

How about obama and the democrats not get us in this mess in the first place?

Not Obama's fault Trump isnt smart enough to get things done.

[Renegade83]

They'll never put pricing on the door, nor should they.

You start itemizing the costs and people are going to start demanding you leave certain aspects off.

Please elaborate here. Also, some doctors are ALREADY DOING THIS and doing great:

https://surgerycenterok.com/

https://fmma.org/

[metallicide]

How about actually putting in the time and effort to persuade them to make a deal? He hasnt done sh*t.

Why should anyone have to beg the people that run our country to do what's right for American citizens...

[Kane_89]

Why should anyone have to beg the people that run our country to do what's right for American citizens...

Because members of Congress are influenced by their constituents. Some people benefit from O-care and some dont.

If you respresent a state where the majority of your constituents support O-care, What are you going to do?

[PlanoLifter]

How about obama and the democrats not get us in this mess in the first place?

Too late, you half wit.

[jdo1]

Wasn't he supposed to be the shining savior deal maker? Too busy tweeting about the ****ing NFL and pulling aid from Puerto Rico to actually do his job. Posting prices on the ****ing door shouldn't be that hard to get both sides of the aisle behind.

Why does he need to fix healthcare? I thought Obamacare was working as intended to be "affordable" for everybody?

[PlanoLifter]

Why does he need to fix healthcare? I thought Obamacare was working as intended to be "affordable" for everybody?

Why would Trump campaign with a promise to fix healthcare together with a plan that he claimed would be so easy to implement when he clearly knew nothing about how to fix it? And yet he's not been able to convince anyone to implement his allegedly great plan. A great deal maker he certainly is not.

[Renegade83]

Why does he need to fix healthcare? I thought Obamacare was working as intended to be "affordable" for everybody?

"I have no argument, so, OBAMA."

You do realize Trump campaigned on price transparency right?

[dhawkeye1980]

Lmao at all the cope in this thread. OMG trump cant fix obamas mess! This is like hiring a new CEO and getting mad he doesnt fix the bankruptcy the old CEO left...smh

[Rayzor84]

Liberals fuming that Trump decided to sidestep a lame congress to get chit done.

[RogerSterling]

How about obama and the democrats not get us in this mess in the first place?

You must be too young to know that insanely high (and rising) healthcare costs and deceptive practice by the healthcare industry were hot button issues long before obama.

But I've seen your other posts, pretty sure you're one of those "obama was golfing on 9/11!!!" types so not a surprise you blame Obamacare for healtcare problems in this country.

[Renegade83]

Liberals fuming that Trump decided to sidestep a lame congress to get chit done.

Except that it accomplishes nothing, because it doesn't address the COSTS OF SERVICES that insurance covers.

[PlanoLifter]

Lmao at all the cope in this thread. OMG trump cant fix obamas mess! This is like hiring a new CEO and getting mad he doesnt fix the bankruptcy the old CEO left...smh

If a new CEO can't fix the problems that an old CEO created the new CEO is usually fired. At least in the real world.

[Ephedra]

If a new CEO can't fix the problems that an old CEO created the new CEO is usually fired. At least in the real world.

The new CEO is trying to fix these issues but it's like the board of directors (congress) won't allow the new CEO to change course from the failed ways of the past.

[JoshSP1985]

If a new CEO can't fix the problems that an old CEO created the new CEO is usually fired. At least in the real world.

You mean let down nice and soft their fall broken by a nice big pile of cash... but yeah

[Kane_89]

The new CEO is trying to fix these issues but it's like the board of directors (congress) won't allow the new CEO to change course from the failed ways of the past.

And usually when the new CEO has poor performance and cant sell himself and his skills to the board, they replace him with someone who can.

Dont campaign and sell yourself as being the best dealmaker and smartest guy in the world when youre clearly not.