Tristan Thompson rejects 5-year, $80 million offer from Cavs

[FGCHENG]

So TT and Delly are now a better option than Kyrie and Love..... just lol.

Apparently people are forgetting that the Cavs (with Love and Kyrie) took a steamy chit on GS during the reg. season. With Kyrie and Love on the floor Green and Thompson/Curry actually have to work on defence and it gives Lebron other options on the floor (leaving him fresher and more dangerous).

I fully expect the Cavs to be in the mix for the league's best record this season... TT or no TT.

Lebron having more possessions >>>> Kyrie and Love having more possessions

Lebron is a high usage player, and he needs the ball in his hands for him to be effective. Love and Kyrie being in the game would mean Lebron would have less possessions. Their playing style would unquestionably speed up the pace of the game which plays in GSW favor.

And lol @ regular season. ATL Hawks beat the Cavs in the regular season and they didn't win a single game against them in the postseason. Regular season games means absolutely nothing when compared to a 7 game playoff series.

Again, I hope and pray Kyrie and Love gets healthy for this upcoming postseason. That way there will be no excuse when Lebron goes 2/7.

[nvrstopworking]

Lebron having more possessions >>>> Kyrie and Love having more possessions

Lebron is a high usage player, and he needs the ball in his hands for him to be effective. Love and Kyrie being in the game would mean Lebron would have less possessions. Their playing style would unquestionably speed up the pace of the game which plays in GSW favor.

And lol @ regular season. ATL Hawks beat the Cavs in the regular season and they didn't win a single game against them in the postseason. Regular season games means absolutely nothing when compared to a 7 game playoff series.

Again, I hope and pray Kyrie and Love gets healthy for this upcoming postseason. That way there will be no excuse when Lebron goes 2/7.

You must think that Lebron is the unquestioned GOAT then.... or you're just plain delusional.

Basketball's a team game. You need good teammates to win. Lebron was fawking gassed after a dozen games or so carrying the load by himself... and you want him to do it for 82.... PLUS the post-season?

Ridiculous.

[Day1086]

The most impressive thing LeBron did in the 2015 finals was control the pace. He slowed the game down by pounding the rock, and the rest of their depleted personnel makes for a great grind out defensive team. Which also happens to be the best strategy to take against the warriors.


I see it similar to David Lee being injured for the warriors in 2013. He was an allstar 20/10 player at the time, but a lot of warriors fans knew that playing smallball and having more minutes for the defensive minded draymond would be just as good or better than playing your star offensive player. And it worked out, warriors ended up exceeding expectations until curry was injured.


Kyrie going down was a legitimate hit, but not enough to swing the series.

Love going down on the other hand, while it would be bad against many teams, actually played into a better strategy against the warriors specifically.

Try to run with and outscore the warriors? Say goodnight. Try to slow the game down and defensively grind it out? Much better option.
















Also the warriors supporting cast played like absolute chit. Draymond was bad, klay was awful, bogut nonexistent, Iguodala won the MVP for being the only roleplayer to step up. Steph was Steph outside of a single game. 9 times out of 10 it would be a sweep regardless, cavs lucked into 2 very close wins, then lost 3 straight convincingly.

[FGCHENG]

You must think that Lebron is the unquestioned GOAT then.... or you're just plain delusional.

Basketball's a team game. You need good teammates to win. Lebron was fawking gassed after a dozen games or so carrying the load by himself... and you want him to do it for 82.... PLUS the post-season?

Ridiculous.

Didn't say 82. There's a reason why Lebron took those 2 weeks off in the regular season, and took several games off against teams like Celtics when they already locked the #2 seed. Lebron was going 70% hard during the regular season and saving himself for the postseason. The way Lebron plays, he just needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Is that a good or bad thing? I don't know. I just know going 2 for 6 in the NBA Finals is not GOAT status.

[nvrstopworking]

The most impressive thing LeBron did in the 2015 finals was control the pace. He slowed the game down by pounding the rock, and the rest of their depleted personnel makes for a great grind out defensive team. Which also happens to be the best strategy to take against the warriors.


I see it similar to David Lee being injured for the warriors in 2013. He was an allstar 20/10 player at the time, but a lot of warriors fans knew that playing smallball and having more minutes for the defensive minded draymond would be just as good or better than playing your star offensive player. And it worked out, warriors ended up exceeding expectations until curry was injured.


Kyrie going down was a legitimate hit, but not enough to swing the series.

Love going down on the other hand, while it would be bad against many teams, actually played into a better strategy against the warriors specifically.

Try to run with and outscore the warriors? Say goodnight. Try to slow the game down and defensively grind it out? Much better option.

Also the warriors supporting cast played like absolute chit. Draymond was bad, klay was awful, bogut nonexistent, Iguodala won the MVP for being the only roleplayer to step up. Steph was Steph outside of a single game. 9 times out of 10 it would be a sweep regardless, cavs lucked into 2 very close wins, then lost 3 straight convincingly.

I'm confused..... were the Warriors "bad" or was the CLE defence "good"? Because you seem to be painting 2 very different pictures in the very same post.

Bottom line is this: The Cavs lost to the Warriors with that "strong, defensive-minded, grind-it-out team". So why the hell would they blow up their cap by signing TT to a max deal? He'd actually have a stronger case if CLE DID win last season.... but now? lolno.

Didn't say 82. There's a reason why Lebron took those 2 weeks off in the regular season, and took several games off against teams like Celtics when they already locked the #2 seed. Lebron was going 70% hard during the regular season and saving himself for the postseason. The way Lebron plays, he just needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Is that a good or bad thing? I don't klnow. I just know going 2 out of 6 in the NBA Finals is not GOAT status.

In 2 of those trips to the Finals he carried teams there that had no business even getting past the 2nd round.

The Finals losses when he was in MIA? Legit.

The Finals losses when he was a Cav? No one else was winning those series.

2/4 is a more honest number.

[Day1086]

I'm confused..... were the Warriors "bad" or was the CLE defence "good"?

Both.

It took both in order for them to lose 4-2.


Warriors are far and away better than the cavs healthy or not.

[waisoserious]

I would also add it took curry and klay to have uncharacteristically bad games for the series to reach 6 games

[FGCHENG]

I'm confused..... were the Warriors "bad" or was the CLE defence "good"? Because you seem to be painting 2 very different pictures in the very same post.

Bottom line is this: The Cavs lost to the Warriors with that "strong, defensive-minded, grind-it-out team". So why the hell would they blow up their cap by signing TT to a max deal? He'd actually have a stronger case if CLE DID win last season.... but now? lolno.



In 2 of those trips to the Finals he carried teams there that had no business even getting past the 2nd round.

The Finals losses when he was in MIA? Legit.

The Finals losses when he was a Cav? No one else was winning those series.

2/4 is a more honest number.

That number really speaks to the inferiority of the Leastern Conference. His teams were able to get out of quite possibly the weakest conference in league history only to get trounced by the far superior Western Conference team.

This means Lebron getting to the Finals was not impressive since it was against inferior teams in an inferior conference.

[Daewoo_Lanos]

This is one of the smartest thing I've ever heard you say. That's correct.

lol @ this clown telling me when im right. go fuk yourself.

[naeDBrah]

TT is worth that amount, I have not seen a re-bounder at the 4 like this in my lifetime. He kept the Cavs in a lot of games, and extended a **** ton of possessions. We know LeBron is by far and away the best player there, but without Thompson dominating the post the Cavs would have gotten worked in the playoffs last season

Dennis Rodman...

[anci2]

Age: 23

Who was Dennis Rodman, you potato?

It's been 20 years almost since the '96 Bulls, and that wasn't even close to Rodman at his peak. For someone to have seen Rodman play in his prime and understand what he was doing and not just stare at the screen like a 5 year old, you'd have to be like 35.

[srom12]

I can't believe there are morons out there that still think the absence of BOTH IRVING AND LOVE made the team better. The effect of Thompson's rebounding would probably be more than offset by Love's offensive game and LeBron's higher efficiency.

Healthy Love, Irving and LeBron would have rekt GSW and its not even close. TT would still clean up a lot of rebounds coming off the bench with ~30MPG in the playoffs. Love haters are acting like his defense is worse than Enes Kanter. Never go full retard.

[Spill512]

This.

If lebron hadn't bricked a record number of shots then TT wouldn't have had the chance to pull down all those offensives boards.

#legoat.

He really does make his teammates better.

What was he again? Like 2%fg from outside of 5 feet? LeLayUp strikes again.

[Daewoo_Lanos]

I can't believe there are morons out there that still think the absence of BOTH IRVING AND LOVE made the team better. The effect of Thompson's rebounding would probably be more than offset by Love's offensive game and LeBron's higher efficiency.

Healthy Love, Irving and LeBron would have rekt GSW and its not even close. TT would still clean up a lot of rebounds coming off the bench with ~30MPG in the playoffs. Love haters are acting like his defense is worse than Enes Kanter. Never go full retard.

fkn lol @ these delusion of these idiots

strong Day ruining the baller name by actually believing it.

[nvrstopworking]

Both.

It took both in order for them to lose 4-2.


Warriors are far and away better than the cavs healthy or not.

Based on......?

[turk75]

As a Cavs fan TT is not worth that sorta $$.. Guy needs a reality check.

[krs128]

Confirmed for idiot

I think Thompson is more valuable than Kyrie Irving and I am 100 percent serious about that

Boards matter a lot, and he is damn good at pulling them down

he kills their offense. he has no offense of his own, and clogs the lane that both Kyrie and Lebron live in. do the few offensive boards he grabs make up for that?

[TexasMajor]

he kills their offense. he has no offense of his own, and clogs the lane that both Kyrie and Lebron live in. do the few offensive boards he grabs make up for that?

ROFL.

Lebron has been known his whole career to clog lanes and disrupt post play. He cannot co-exist with a big man. Fact.

But now its Thompsons fault.

So much delusion.

[sdballer5588]

I have never read such unbelievable delusion that ends in thoughts like "Losing Kyrie Irving was not enough to swing the series".


Also what are we basing the healthy cavs being substantially worse on? We basing it on the 1 game LeBron played in and they dominated the Warriors? No?

[HoustonMiscer]

What is TT's ceiling? Can he develop into a star big man or is his current offensive game the best it will get?

[BullBoy8]

It is gonna be annoying having to hear, "see, the cavs would have won last year if they were completely healthy vs the warriors" if both teams are healthy christmas day and the cavs win. I hope the Warriors sit Curry and Klay on Christmas.

[sdballer5588]

What is TT's ceiling? Can he develop into a star big man or is his current offensive game the best it will get?

TT's ceiling is exactly what he did in the finals. Gets too many minutes on a team that has no real offense so his offensive rebounding gets hilariously overvalued vs a team who is a TERRIBLE defensive rebounding unit SPECIFICALLY when they run the unit they played for the entirety of their 4 wins.

It's mind blowing how stupid some of you guys are being about such a simple concept.

It is gonna be annoying having to hear, "see, the cavs would have won last year if they were completely healthy vs the warriors" if both teams are healthy christmas day and the cavs win. I hope the Warriors sit Curry and Klay on Christmas.

Both teams were already healthy for a game last year. Guess who won?

[AirCanada]

TT's ceiling is exactly what he did in the finals. Gets too many minutes on a team that has no real offense so his offensive rebounding gets hilariously overvalued vs a team who is a TERRIBLE defensive rebounding unit SPECIFICALLY when they run the unit they played for the entirety of their 4 wins.

It's mind blowing how stupid some of you guys are being about such a simple concept.

These idiots don't realize that every Warrior who played over 20 minutes a game in the Finals is 6'7 and under. Congratulations on outrebounding a bunch of midgets...not to mention that Love was a better offensive rebounder than Thompson ever has been before he started shooting 3s and taking himself out of the paint on offense. And he's literally twice the defensive rebounder that Thompson is.

And some clown is out here calling Thompson the greatest rebounding 4 in the past 15 years. Dude isn't even the best rebounding 4 on his own team.

[FGCHENG]

These idiots don't realize that every Warrior who played over 20 minutes a game in the Finals is 6'7 and under. Congratulations on outrebounding a bunch of midgets...not to mention that Love was a better offensive rebounder than Thompson ever has been before he started shooting 3s and taking himself out of the paint on offense. And he's literally twice the defensive rebounder that Thompson is.

And some clown is out here calling Thompson the greatest rebounding 4 in the past 15 years. Dude isn't even the best rebounding 4 on his own team.

Love is what you call a stat paddler when it comes to rebounding. Most of his rebounding comes from him being alone under the basket, or him fighting with his teammates for the rebound, etc.. I can't think of one game when Cavs won because of Love's rebounding. I can think of several when it comes to Thompson and his offensive rebounding ability. Love is selfish when it comes to his stats. Why do you think he had all these "fitting in" problem with the Cavaliers this season? He cares about his stats regardless of what people say. Thompson doesn't care about his stats, and he plays the game the right way, and that is to win the game with everything he's got.

Cliffs: Love statpads to get his rebounds, he won't constest a shot just so he can quickly turn around to look for a rebound. Thompson is just pure hustle and effort.

[nvrstopworking]

I've never been a huge Kevin Love booster but it's hilarious how criminally underrated he's become.

Reminds me a lot of what people said about Bosh when he joined the Heat. Weren't some people saying that Haslem was a better fit than him back then? Just lol.

[BullBoy8]

Both teams were already healthy for a game last year. Guess who won?

Nice. Bulls went 3-0 vs the heat in 2010-11 and lost 4-1 to the heat in the playoffs. Nets went 4-0 vs Miami a couple years back and got swept in the playoffs. Why didn't those two teams beat Miami in the postseason since they both went undefeated in the regular season?

[AirCanada]

Love is what you call a stat paddler when it comes to rebounding. Most of his rebounding comes from him being alone under the basket, or him fighting with his teammates for the rebound, etc.. I can't think of one game when Cavs won because of Love's rebounding. I can think of several when it comes to Thompson and his offensive rebounding ability. Love is selfish when it comes to his stats. Why do you think he had all these "fitting in" problem with the Cavaliers this season? He cares about his stats regardless of what people say. Thompson doesn't care about his stats, and he plays the game the right way, and that is to win the game with everything he's got.

Cliffs: Love statpads to get his rebounds, he won't constest a shot just so he can quickly turn around to look for a rebound. Thompson is just pure hustle and effort.

When Love was with the Wolves, he had a higher percentage of contested rebounds than Thompson did. Not to mention that if it's a choice between Thompson and Love going for an uncontested rebound, I'd want Love getting it so he can actually create stuff like this:



That's the type of thing that makes it laughable to even consider Thompson making the same amount as Love, which is what he wants...and that's on one of the only parts of the game that Thompson is competent at.

[WafflesBrah]

With Irving and Love Cavs would have more depth... it would not hurt their team if both of them were playing in the finals. GSW is a very deep team while Cavs had no one for them off the bench that was worth of value that can give good minutes. A big boost would of been having TT off the bench and Delly also. Delly isn't cut out to be an NBA starter. Ridiculous the claims you guys make to reiterate how GSW would sweep even with Irving and Love. It'd be a different series and I really dislike the Cavs.

[carjoch_831]

80 mil is already overpaying TT.
Let him sign the qualifying offer and trade him + trade exception (from haywood trade) before season ends for a better big.

[sdballer5588]

These idiots don't realize that every Warrior who played over 20 minutes a game in the Finals is 6'7 and under. Congratulations on outrebounding a bunch of midgets...not to mention that Love was a better offensive rebounder than Thompson ever has been before he started shooting 3s and taking himself out of the paint on offense. And he's literally twice the defensive rebounder that Thompson is.

And some clown is out here calling Thompson the greatest rebounding 4 in the past 15 years. Dude isn't even the best rebounding 4 on his own team.

Thompson's defense is also WILDLY overstated, like when people say "bnut he can switch PnRs!" he got TORCHED on PnRs switching onto smaller guys. Absolutely torched.

It's like people just say stuff SPECIFICALLY so it can tear down LeBron.


Thompson IS a good offensive rebounder, but keep it in your pants, he was outrebounding a bunch of midgets while he was on his own team of players shooting sub 40%.

Nice. Bulls went 3-0 vs the heat in 2010-11 and lost 4-1 to the heat in the playoffs. Nets went 4-0 vs Miami a couple years back and got swept in the playoffs. Why didn't those two teams beat Miami in the postseason since they both went undefeated in the regular season?

Again, you are entirely ignoring the point, which is that you have a BETTER case claiming the Cavs would win than the Warriors, because you would be going off of your own imagination to say Warriors.


I understand thinking is difficult for you, but just shut up.