Not to mention I play sports but I've gotten great results with all pros even though my lifts are shyt. Having lost 100lbs, unfortunately, my goal is to become very slim with muscles and I'm about 75% towards that goal.
I'm very afraid to become skinny fat again and feel like hypertrophy programs bail me out from getting fat. I hear stories of guys become fat doing SS or Stronglifts.
I've just got serious about my diet. 6'5 195lbs. Fat 252g protein 187g and carbs 0g. I do keto go overboard on the weekend (see...I'm insane).
All from animal sources.
If I had to choose strength over hypertrophy, it would because of basketball. Btw I'm cutting forever.
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07-03-2015, 08:09 PM #1
Srs. Can someone convince me change my routine from a hypertrophy to a strength?
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07-04-2015, 12:46 AM #7
no, i know what i talking. because i tried both hypertrophy and strength. 2 years ago, i used hypertrophy. look way bigger than i use strength training now after off for a year.
hypertrophy PR
squat 95kg
deadlift 100kg
bench press 70kg
strength PR (current)
squat 100kg
deadlift 100kg
bench press 67.5kg
almost same PR but my body when use hypertrophy was 1.5x bigger at 10% body fat. now same 10% body fat.
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07-04-2015, 12:56 AM #8
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hypertrophy routines fall into the intermediate/advanced category, by then a lot of people already have a decent base for a body, they just want to get bigger. Also hypertrophy routines tend to attract people who are going for that lean, cut but big look.
Its a bit unfair to compare hypertrophy routines to people who do Stronglifts/SS b/c first of all muscle building and weight gain is due to diet and secondly SL and SS are beginner programs and are therefore done by beginners. Most beginners don't have a solid base of muscle so they are encouraged to get a little bit fat to build that solid muscle base to later cut into. And people who get really fat are just simply consuming way too much calories. If you are skinny to begin with though it is unlikely that you will get fat unless you just go balls to the wall with bulking.positivity brah crew
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07-04-2015, 01:43 AM #9
Ok. I'm not saying I've gain mass besides noob gains from 8 months ago, but I'm at 13% bf and maintain lean muscle. But if I switch to SS or SL, will I still look the same (lean) as I do now, in addition, to GAINING whatever strength whilst cutting? Or will my current body become more flabby while gaining strength?
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07-04-2015, 02:47 AM #13
strength training *is* hypertrophy training and hypertrophy training *is* strength training
simply different rep ranges.
A wise man includes all of it in his routine."A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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07-04-2015, 12:39 PM #18
okay. It's very hard to get big. If it happens, it happens. I put weight lifting before sports, meaning that I will never drop the weight if I feel that I'm getting too exhausted.
Like I said. I used to be skinny fat and I don't want to lose my current 4 pack, cut triceps and chisel thighs by transitioning to strength training.
From what I've seen, it's hard to gain mass with strength training.Hi.
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07-04-2015, 12:41 PM #19
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I don't make much progress at all unless I do work at all different rep ranges, straight sets at 10-12 reps some days, 4-6 reps other days, pyramids on other days... I'm focusing on strength and hypertrophy, and they seem to go hand-in-hand, at least for me... I think there are two main ways to change our body, either bulk, or cut. I'm bulking, that requires strength and hypertrophy, so I do it all, and it seems to work really well... If I focus on 4-6 reps for strength, every day, I start to fail a lot easier and my maxes will even go down. I have to build up to a heavy day, then go back to lighter weights and build back up to a heavy day again.
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07-04-2015, 04:08 PM #20
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Again, you AREN'T going to get fat on a strength training program, or for any training program for that matter unless you consume way too much calories. Working with higher rep ranges isn't going to magically chisel your body nor is working with lower rep ranges going to make you fat. Many programs blur the distinction between strength or hypertrophy because many programs also include both of these aspects in some sort of way. You can always add accessory exercises in addition to your compounds just to hit those smaller muscles and get that higher rep range work in
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07-04-2015, 06:38 PM #22
you really sure?
okay, watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSp9AxOUWlg
see what you say. so stronger has bigger muscle?
i have seen alot of this similar cases including my few friends who are powerlifter, smaller body than bodybuilder. they beat bodybuilder in lifting stats.Last edited by usertag; 07-04-2015 at 06:48 PM.
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07-05-2015, 12:30 AM #23
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Not really sure what you are talking about, all those guys had pretty big quads - which is where the power for the lift is generated.
Technique and specificity of training. I was talking about a single muscle not a complex lift. Read this (which has citations to peer reviewed literature):
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/...ionalmyth.html
There is no such thing as a muscle that is made bigger without being made stronger:
Usually strength athletes don't train muscles which aren't useful to them so of course those particular muscles don't get big. Also, they often have a higher BF than a bodybuilder or physique athlete which makes them look smaller in a picture.
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07-05-2015, 12:41 AM #24
in video, the small and normal body guy pwned big bodybuilder in overhead press.
i think you mean stronger = bigger muscle is when they lift even higher like deadlift 300kg. of course they big.
but what i mean is 2 guys lift SAME or slightly higher weight like
Powerlifter squat 110kg x 3 x 5
Bodybuilder squat 100kg x 4 x 12
not
Powerlifter squat 250kg x 3 x 5
Bodybuilder squat 100kg x 4 x 12Last edited by usertag; 07-05-2015 at 12:47 AM.
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07-05-2015, 12:48 AM #25
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You can tell he is an oly lifter just by looking at him. Might not have big arms but then he doesn't need them. You really need to read replies properly or you'll learn nothing, like I already said he doesn't need big muscles in his arms for his sport.
And it's not an overhead press, it's a push jerk - power comes from LEGS (which are big).
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07-05-2015, 03:48 AM #26
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