RANT: Sailing An Ocean of Bud Light Lime

[im2manly]

PM, I'm glad you're doing well but I don't know whether to laugh or cry that a bowling alley pays you more than one of the wealthiest companies in the world.

This is what I was thinking. The owner of a bowling alley in the US probably barely clears 60k and the "manager" must make south of 40k. I guess bowling must be big over there.

Edit: it also seems like a terrible waste of PM's talent.

[PowderMonkey]

PM, I'm glad you're doing well but I don't know whether to laugh or cry that a bowling alley pays you more than one of the wealthiest companies in the world.

Well, to be fair, I was near the bottom of the ladder at Apple, I'm around the middle and and moving up at Strike. The pay in Apple retail is not that great, but it is significantly above other retail jobs. There is this massive divide between Apple retail and Apple corporate, and what I find upsetting/depressing is that more than one manager told me that the best way to cross it would be to leave the company and then come back. Few people move directly from retail to corporate, and in such cases they aren't taken seriously for the first year or so because there is this huge stigma in corporate about the retail team. This is changing for the better with the new head of retail, but it's still there. Which is retarded.

Having said all of this, Apple is still the best company I have worked for.

[PowderMonkey]

This is what I was thinking. The owner of a bowling alley in the US probably barely clears 60k and the "manager" must make south of 40k. I guess bowling must be big over there.

Edit: it also seems like a terrible waste of PM's talent.

I make more than the hypothetical owner in the US, and I'm not even the venue manager =)

I started on the iPhone app so that I can launch into my own stuff. I want to be running my own business(es?) down the line and my current goal is to be self-sufficient and running at least one business in less than 2 years from now.

My current job is enjoyable and pays the rent and allows me to get started on this

But yes, you're right. I'm not looking for a career in venue management, by any means.

[Miketoc]

I make more than the hypothetical owner in the US, and I'm not even the venue manager =)

I started on the iPhone app so that I can launch into my own stuff. I want to be running my own business(es?) down the line and my current goal is to be self-sufficient and running at least one business in less than 2 years from now.

My current job is enjoyable and pays the rent and allows me to get started on this

But yes, you're right. I'm not looking for a career in venue management, by any means.

Yeah money isn't everything, you can be making a lot and hate life. Balance is a lot. Best of luck on the apps and biz venture, being your own boss can be a lot of work but very rewarding.

[im2manly]

Good stuff, PM. You sound very ambitious. I wish you all the best. I like the idea of opening my own firm so long as I have some other partners (I refuse to open the "Law Offices of Manly", when Manly, Orlando, & Doritoson, LLP, sounds so much better). I also have to think about my family though. That would be unreal stress.

[darinaldi]

Yeah money isn't everything, you can be making a lot and hate life. Balance is a lot. Best of luck on the apps and biz venture, being your own boss can be a lot of work but very rewarding.

This is true.

My last full-time job paid me considerably more but I was miserable; I am much, much, much happier now despite making less.




And I'm not spending half my salary on bar tabs to cope with how awful the work environment is.

[Orlando1234977]

nah

y'all don't get to throw up on every page then tell someone to clean it up if they wish

enjoy the pile of garbage you created

see you guys next february

I'M OUT

PEACE

Please let us know if you tipped the fedex guy for your new chair.

[im2manly]

Lol @ giants for working out nicks and welker

[chazzy1864]

A combination of:
-Can't write Mac/iPhone apps while you work at Apple, unless the apps are for Apple. This is something I enjoy doing but I put up with it for 3 years because Apple is a great place to work. Still, this was something that gnawed at me the whole time I worked there
-Hit a glass ceiling, because even though I worked there for several years, knew the systems and culture inside out, I didn't have the "experience" on paper and so kept getting passed over for jobs
-Had a terrible manager who gave me a very bad annual review (he was fired shortly after this happened and I was in the process of getting this review overturned when I left)
-Got pretty much headhunted for this job, it's "management experience" should I ever head back to Apple, working roster is better, pay is significantly better, it's in a fast growing company with very good personal development options as well. And they serve alcohol so pretty much get free booze after work (within reason)

Gotcha. Yeah, I can see that app thing being an issue.

I could understand them saying that you can't write apps on company time, but what you're doing on your off time shouldn't matter.

-it's a really really really fun job
-pay is pretty decent
-hours are pretty good
-management job
-free bowling/laser tag/rock climbing/trampolining

I still suck at bowling but I am getting better

Ha, actually sounds like a blast. I would love to get some free bowling time (and rock climbing).

Yeah money isn't everything, you can be making a lot and hate life. Balance is a lot. Best of luck on the apps and biz venture, being your own boss can be a lot of work but very rewarding.

This is definitely true.

[ThickAsABrick]

Fck it, dude, let's go bowling.

[darinaldi]

Anyone talking about "playing baseball the right way" is as much of a stupid f*cking assh*le as anti-vaxxers and Tea Party supporters

[chazzy1864]

Anyone talking about "playing baseball the right way" is as much of a stupid f*cking assh*le as anti-vaxxers and Tea Party supporters

What constitutes "the right way?"

[im2manly]

Anyone talking about "playing baseball the right way" is as much of a stupid f*cking assh*le as anti-vaxxers and Tea Party supporters

Why are you not writing books?

[darinaldi]

What constitutes "the right way?"

Apparently, whatever the Cardinals and old bloviating sports writer idiots think, and anyone violating those rules deserves getting hit by a deliberate pitch or choked out by your own assh*le teammate.

[im2manly]

Joe Maddon not even once.

[chazzy1864]

Maddon is awesome. Was so upset when the Rays let him go.

[Orlando1234977]

Yeah money isn't everything, you can be making a lot and hate life. Balance is a lot. Best of luck on the apps and biz venture, being your own boss can be a lot of work but very rewarding.

Good stuff, PM. You sound very ambitious. I wish you all the best. I like the idea of opening my own firm so long as I have some other partners (I refuse to open the "Law Offices of Manly", when Manly, Orlando, & Doritoson, LLP, sounds so much better). I also have to think about my family though. That would be unreal stress.

Depends on what stresses people. I was X to the nth times more stressed as an auditor working for a company and bosses (and making peanuts) than I ever was in sales or being independent/owner. Everyone's different. People are people. Next week I get papa.

[Hishiad]

Lencho got me, Big Ben going down will be a rough one. The fact 2 starting WRs goose egged sucks hard.

PM is living the dream! If I could clear 60k running a bowling alley I'd be doing it lol

[darinaldi]

PM is living the dream! If I could clear 60k running a bowling alley I'd be doing it lol

To be fair, I assume PM is talking $60K AUD and not $60K USD, and the cost of living is higher than in much of the US.


Running a bowling alley does sound quite fun however, especially if it gives you the freedom to design apps and pursue other projects.

[Miketoc]

Depends on what stresses people. I was X to the nth times more stressed as an auditor working for a company and bosses (and making peanuts) than I ever was in sales or being independent/owner. Everyone's different. People are people. Next week I get papa.

Yeah that's why I classified it as a lot of work, not as high stress. I don't necessarily think the two go hand in hand.

[Hishiad]

To be fair, I assume PM is talking $60K AUD and not $60K USD, and the cost of living is higher than in much of the US.


Running a bowling alley does sound quite fun however, especially if it gives you the freedom to design apps and pursue other projects.

And free bowling + beer....


And yes, I meant if I was making 60k in US money I'd be watching the Dude roll every Tuesday night in league play.

[Dominik]

This is what I was thinking. The owner of a bowling alley in the US probably barely clears 60k and the "manager" must make south of 40k. I guess bowling must be big over there.

Edit: it also seems like a terrible waste of PM's talent.

Average Salary for Strike Bowling Bar Employees

$54K.

No one working in hospitality is surviving on tips over here. Minimum wage is around $18/hr.

[PowderMonkey]

Gotcha. Yeah, I can see that app thing being an issue.

I could understand them saying that you can't write apps on company time, but what you're doing on your off time shouldn't matter.

Ha, actually sounds like a blast. I would love to get some free bowling time (and rock climbing).

This is definitely true.

At first glance lit would seem so but let's break down why they have that rule
-Apple is arguably the most valuable company in the world and as such, is very visible to the public and gets a lot or public scrutiny over even relatively minor things. Look at the attention that flared up around foxconn as an example - foxconn are a very big manufacturing company in China and actually have very very good working conditions for China, and they also make stuff for pretty much every major technology brand on the planet (e.g. Sony, Microsoft, Samsung, lg, etc etc to name but a few), and yet all of the attention from when that all happened reflected only on Apple. Now think about the scenario where an actual Apple employee has apps for sale in the App Store. Let's say one of them does reasonably well and is promoted on the front page of the App Store. Having worked at Apple I can absolutely say that if this happened it would solely be on the app's merit, but from the public eye, it would be very easy to accuse apple of playing favourites in this case. Looking back at the foxconn example and how much of a fuss was made over that, the media would have an absolute field day and the credibility of the App Store could very well be compromised.
-Apple also makes apps themselves. They don't write books. If I write a book and sell it, and make heaps of money while I work at Apple, that's fine. If I write an app and sell it and make heaps of money, I'm potentially competing in the same market as my employer. If this happens, is it because I have some inside knowledge about how the app market works or some special inside knowledge of the technology that gives me an edge over other app makers? (Spoilers: no. But again think of this from the outside media perspective)

Fck it, dude, let's go bowling.

Show up here after work and you will get free bowling and a couple of free beers

Lencho got me, Big Ben going down will be a rough one. The fact 2 starting WRs goose egged sucks hard.

PM is living the dream! If I could clear 60k running a bowling alley I'd be doing it lol

It's pretty great, I won't lie


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To be fair, I assume PM is talking $60K AUD and not $60K USD, and the cost of living is higher than in much of the US.


Running a bowling alley does sound quite fun however, especially if it gives you the freedom to design apps and pursue other projects.

Average Salary for Strike Bowling Bar Employees

$54K.

No one working in hospitality is surviving on tips over here. Minimum wage is around $18/hr.

All of this.

It's enough to live on I'm Sydney but not stellar
Median house price in Sydney is about $1.2-$1.5 million at the moment and rising.

I currently pay ~$850 in rent per month for my room in a 4 bedroom house (my other housemates pay similar amounts. The house rents for ~$3,000 per month, it's about 40 minutes away from the city centre, and this is considered cheap in Sydney)

So I'm not doing too badly but it's not a hot job by any means. But it's enabling me to make myself a hot job so I'm okay with it

[Dominik]

To be fair, I assume PM is talking $60K AUD and not $60K USD, and the cost of living is higher than in much of the US.

Actually this time last year our dollar was buying 0.95 USD and the year before that it was above parity (around $1.05). It died in the ass this year.

PM, you need to get out of Sydney. The cost of living there is stupid. I realize it's not a whole lot better up here but it's still an improvement.

[PowderMonkey]

Actually this time last year our dollar was buying 0.95 USD and the year before that it was above parity (around $1.05). It died in the ass this year.

PM, you need to get out of Sydney. The cost of living there is stupid. I realize it's not a whole lot better up here but it's still an improvement.

Yeah pretty much the only thing keeping me here at the moment is the possibility of Dropbox working out. Their only Australian office at the moment is in Sydney. It would be a fairly good pay increase for not a whole lot more work.

Mum lives in Brisbane and my brother lives in Ballarat, so I'm very likely to end up in Brisbane or Melbourne within the next 2-3 years.

[Dominik]

Hard to beat Sydney where you're surrounded by beautiful beaches but Brisbane is okay. This was the view from my balcony for many years.



Caught a nice sunset after a storm a few months ago.



https://vimeo.com/140871867

This post was made to influence your next move.

[adamdavidson47]

Blue Jays Magic Number: 1

A win or a Yanks loss and the Jays clinch their first division title since 1993.

[im2manly]

I should get a MBA specializing in finance. I could work for O! I wonder if they give out full scholarships.

[Final_Rep]

A coworker just built himself a gaming rig. Told me that during his vacation he took recently that he played Crysis 3 in 3d. Normal gaming doesn't compare.

He also said that since he built his rig, he hasn't touched his PS4 (and he was addicted to Destiny).

That being said, he is someone who is all about the graphics.

Crysis 3 in 3D and 4k? lol

My new TV is 3D (the kind with the passive glasses) and I haven't even bothered to try it yet.

The Taken King eats up all of my free time. If you played vanilla and had problems with the game, there is a VERY good chance they fixed whatever pissed you off. So much content right now.

This is what I'm waiting to try. Currently way too much has to be done at the house before I can even think about gaming again. Much progress made over the last few days though.

[im2manly]

Nyc/nj about to get f'd in the a by Hurricane Joaquin. Feel real bad for snj as they still haven't recovered from Sandy.