Kobe is not a better shooter than lebron

[Mithridates1]

He hasn't been for a while.

Here are there shooting percentages from 15-23 ft for the 07-08 to 12-13 season:

Kobe:

07-08: 38%
08-09: 42%
09-10: 41%
10-11: 38%
11-12: 41%
12-13: 40%

http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe%20Bryant

Lebron:

07-08: 37%
08-09: 40%
09-10: 40%
10-11: 45%
11-12: 39%
12-13: 46%

http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James

In terms of 3 point shooting, both lebron's least and most efficient seasons are higher than kobe's least and most efficient, he also averages a higher percentage for his career. Kobe beats lebron in FT%, and midrange jumpers.

[bezarker]

Lebrick is a better choker...

[ClutchAnalyst]

Lebrick is a better choker...

I already quoted this exact post on that other thread.

now check out the volume


@ OP

[neighborr]

stfu about this chit *******s

[ClutchAnalyst]

so shooting wise Kobe gets the advantage in heavily contest midrange, FT

while lebron gets advantage in wide open 3's

okay cool

[Mithridates1]

Lebrick is a better choker...

This is also a common misconception. Allow yourself to be enlightened: http://swishnba.com/2013/10/11/kobe-...s-more-clutch/

Some excerpts:

Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)
LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)

Last 30 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till present day)
LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)

Last 2 minutes
Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in the last two playoffs; 2010 and 2011)
LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)

Last 5 minutes
Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)
LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)

Game 7 of a Playoff Series
Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)
LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (* NBA Record)

LeBron is clearly the better player when it pertains to game 7s

Elimination Games
Kobe 21.5 ppg on 41.4% FG with 5.8rpg and 3.5apg (19 games)
LeBron 31.5 ppg on 46% FG with 10.0rpg and 6.5apg (12 games)

LeBron is also clearly the better player when facing elimination.

[konohagakure]

jesus christ shut the fuk up already

i swear to god some of you guys are beyond ****ing retarded. kobe is one of the best shooters of all time, this is not even debatable. you going to argue that lebron is a better shooter than durant because his numbers are better than KDs too?

gtfo you box scoring watching *******.

[ClutchAnalyst]

This is also a common misconception. Allow yourself to be enlightened: http://swishnba.com/2013/10/11/kobe-...s-more-clutch/

Some excerpts:

Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)
LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)

Last 30 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till present day)
LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)

Last 2 minutes
Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in the last two playoffs; 2010 and 2011)
LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)

Last 5 minutes
Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)
LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)

Game 7 of a Playoff Series
Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)
LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (* NBA Record)

LeBron is clearly the better player when it pertains to game 7s

Elimination Games
Kobe 21.5 ppg on 41.4% FG with 5.8rpg and 3.5apg (19 games)
LeBron 31.5 ppg on 46% FG with 10.0rpg and 6.5apg (12 games)

LeBron is also clearly the better player when facing elimination.

lebron has better stats than kobe and durant yet will never be picked to take the last shot or the clutch shot

deal with it bro

at least send in your application to the NBA and tell them that you have super power abilities in reading box scores and stats better than them all

[ClutchAnalyst]

jesus christ shut the fuk up already

i swear to god some of you guys are beyond ****ing retarded. kobe is one of the best shooters of all time, this is not even debatable. you going to argue that lebron is a better shooter than durant because his numbers are better than KDs too?

gtfo you box scoring watching *******.

the guy didn't even post the volume. that's just a beginner level analysis.

usually when evaluating scorers and see their shooting abilities they will do film study and break down the play accordingly.

but no one will ever do that here, only box stat sheet reading allowed here.

[Mithridates1]

so shooting wise Kobe gets the advantage in heavily contest midrange, FT

while lebron gets advantage in wide open 3's

okay cool

ok you can argue that kobe's the better "pure shooter" because he's shooting heavily contested shots over double teams, but what does that say about him as an overall player? At the very least this proves that lebron's shooting inadequacies are overstated.

[Mithridates1]

jesus christ shut the fuk up already

i swear to god some of you guys are beyond ****ing retarded. kobe is one of the best shooters of all time, this is not even debatable. you going to argue that lebron is a better shooter than durant because his numbers are better than KDs too?

gtfo you box scoring watching *******.

your eyes and media hype can deceive you but stats will never lie brah

[NYPat]

lebron has better stats than kobe and durant yet will never be picked to take the last shot or the clutch shot

They will if they want a greater chance to win the game.

And lol at the irony of you putting Clutch in your name when LeBron > Kobe in clutch situations.

Inb4 stats and box scores don't matter blah blah blah.

[ClutchAnalyst]

ok you can argue that kobe's the better "pure shooter" because he's shooting heavily contested shots over double teams, but what does that say about him as an overall player? At the very least this proves that lebron's shooting inadequacies are overstated.

no, i mean ill give credit where it's due.

lebron can shoot threes, especially recently, i dont know why nba players leave him open (besides the fact that he can get to the hoop easily and score)

but the point im trying to make is spacing....

as much as i dislike dwight howard, i must admit, him + pau gave a lot of spacing to Kobe, and Kobe's midrange stats were off the charts for the volume he was shooting at. it's a shame that he tore his achillies right before the playoffs.

[ClutchAnalyst]

They will if they want a greater chance to win the game.

And lol at the irony of you putting Clutch in your name when LeBron > Kobe in clutch situations.

Inb4 stats and box scores don't matter blah blah blah.

nope, polls of players and coaches and gm's in the past have picked kobe for a long duration in the 2000s, if not almost all of it, and in recent years, they have picked Durant.

[NYPat]

nope, polls of players and coaches and gm's in the past have picked kobe for a long duration in the 2000s, if not almost all of it, and in recent years, they have picked Durant.

Are these "intangible" polls?

[ClutchAnalyst]

stats don't lie, but liars use stats

if you need to argue that kobe is a better shooter than lebron, you might as well just give up watching basketball now. even the biggest kobe hater will acknowledge he's one of the greatest shooters of all time



# of nba gms who will choose prime lebron over prime kobe to take the game winning shot of game 7 = none

stats at surface observational basis can manipulate very easily. i stand by this statement. i study mathematics, and am just now getting into the more technical and theoretical classes.

there's a very famous quote about this, there are 3 types of lies: big lies, small lies, and statistics.

[1800_Cool_Guy]

This is also a common misconception. Allow yourself to be enlightened: http://swishnba.com/2013/10/11/kobe-...s-more-clutch/

Some excerpts:

Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)
LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)

Last 30 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till present day)
LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)

Last 2 minutes
Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in the last two playoffs; 2010 and 2011)
LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)

Last 5 minutes
Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)
LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)

Game 7 of a Playoff Series
Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)
LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (* NBA Record)

LeBron is clearly the better player when it pertains to game 7s

Elimination Games
Kobe 21.5 ppg on 41.4% FG with 5.8rpg and 3.5apg (19 games)
LeBron 31.5 ppg on 46% FG with 10.0rpg and 6.5apg (12 games)

LeBron is also clearly the better player when facing elimination.

Your logic doesn't matter.

5>2 is what truly matters.


You know what else matters? Five NBA players pick Kobe > Lebron. Those are the real stats OP.

[ClutchAnalyst]

Are these "intangible" polls?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ot-over-lebron

http://dimemag.com/2012/02/dwyane-wa...mes-last-shot/

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/10/nba-...ch-lebron-kobe

there was another one from like 2009-2010 that picked kobe over everyone in the league

and a sports illustrated in 2008 that surveyed the league players and picked kobe

notice how even Durant gets picked over Lebron despite less clutch stats lol

[NYPat]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ot-over-lebron

http://dimemag.com/2012/02/dwyane-wa...mes-last-shot/

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/10/nba-...ch-lebron-kobe

there was another one from like 2009-2010 that picked kobe over everyone in the league

and a sports illustrated in 2008 that surveyed the league players and picked kobe

notice how even Durant gets picked over Lebron despite less clutch stats lol

Quote from the first link:

"Not too long ago, the discussion was about how LeBron wasn’t clutch. That no longer seems to be a discussion.

Since LeBron came into the league in 2003-04, nobody in the NBA has made more game-tying and go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of playoff games than LeBron, who is 7-of-16 on those shots. His 43.8 field goal percentage on those clutch shots ranks the best in the NBA since his rookie season among players with at least 10 attempts. The league average is 28.3 percent on those shots."

The bold is not a stat.

Edit: Although I do give you credit for the player polls.

[Mithridates1]

stats don't lie, but liars use stats

if you need to argue that kobe is a better shooter than lebron, you might as well just give up watching basketball now. even the biggest kobe hater will acknowledge he's one of the greatest shooters of all time



# of nba gms who will choose prime lebron over prime kobe to take the game winning shot of game 7 = none

I've never heard anyone call kobe one of the greatest shooters of all time, scorer yes shooter no.

[BeastModeFTW]

why doesn't anybody account for turnovers in the final 24 seconds considering that a turnover is worse than a missed shot.

[KCBadBoy]

Only on the sports misc.

[ClevageGobbler]

Jumpshooting:

Kobe Bryant (Regular Season Averages)

3-10ft - 45%
10-16ft - 44.2%
16<3pt - 40.7%
3pt - 33.4%

LeBron James (Regular Season Averages)

3-10ft - 43.8%
10-16ft - 35.6%
16<3pt - 38.8%
3pt - 34.2%

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Jumpshooting:

Kobe (Playoffs Averages)

3-10ft - 46.8%
10-16ft - 44.9%
16<3pt - 40%
3pt - 33.4%

LeBron James (Playoffs Averages)

3-10ft - 40.1%
10-16ft - 34.9%
16<3pt - 36.7%
3pt - 33.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...bryanko01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jamesle01.html

[Mithridates1]

Jumpshooting:

Kobe Bryant (Regular Season Averages)

3-10ft - 45%
10-16ft - 44.2%
16<3pt - 40.7%
3pt - 33.4%

LeBron James (Regular Season Averages)

3-10ft - 43.8%
10-16ft - 35.6%
16<3pt - 38.8%
3pt - 34.2%

-----------------------------------------------

Jumpshooting:

Kobe (Playoffs Averages)

3-10ft - 46.8%
10-16ft - 44.9%
16<3pt - 40%
3pt - 33.4%

LeBron James (Playoffs Averages)

3-10ft - 40.1%
10-16ft - 34.9%
16<3pt - 36.7%
3pt - 33.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...bryanko01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jamesle01.html

Interesting, I was counting from the season after lebron's first championship run cause we all know he was a crap shooter at the beginning of his career, but it does seem that lebron's shooting regresses in the playoffs while overall kobe's stays the same. His playoff FG% is still .48% to kobe's .45, just goes to show low-efficiency shots are still low-efficiency shots

[ClutchAnalyst]

Quote from the first link:

"Not too long ago, the discussion was about how LeBron wasn’t clutch. That no longer seems to be a discussion.

Since LeBron came into the league in 2003-04, nobody in the NBA has made more game-tying and go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of playoff games than LeBron, who is 7-of-16 on those shots. His 43.8 field goal percentage on those clutch shots ranks the best in the NBA since his rookie season among players with at least 10 attempts. The league average is 28.3 percent on those shots."

The bold is not a stat.

Edit: Although I do give you credit for the player polls.

the reocurring theme here is that clutch being defined only as the last minute shot or whatever is false.

clutch is also making plays on both ends to help the team catch up, making shots in the 4th quarter to start a comeback, cutting down the lead to be able to contend for the W in the final moments.

and lets not act like Kobe doesnt have a chit ton of those in his career. cherry picking stats for the final second shot to win or tie and then disregarding the monstrous comebacks he riles up and single handedly bringing the team back in the ball game, is just wack

[Daewoo_Lanos]

This is also a common misconception. Allow yourself to be enlightened: http://swishnba.com/2013/10/11/kobe-...s-more-clutch/

Some excerpts:

Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)
LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)

Last 30 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till present day)
LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)

Last 2 minutes
Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in the last two playoffs; 2010 and 2011)
LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)

Last 5 minutes
Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)
LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)

Game 7 of a Playoff Series
Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)
LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (* NBA Record)

LeBron is clearly the better player when it pertains to game 7s

Elimination Games
Kobe 21.5 ppg on 41.4% FG with 5.8rpg and 3.5apg (19 games)
LeBron 31.5 ppg on 46% FG with 10.0rpg and 6.5apg (12 games)

LeBron is also clearly the better player when facing elimination.

Everyone knows Lebron is the best game 7/elimination game player in NBA history bro.

He's also turned himself into a 3 pt shooting god next to Kobe.

Kobe is possibly the worst elimination game star player in NBA history.

[broboma2012]

the reocurring theme here is that clutch being defined only as the last minute shot or whatever is false.

clutch is also making plays on both ends to help the team catch up, making shots in the 4th quarter to start a comeback, cutting down the lead to be able to contend for the W in the final moments.

and lets not act like Kobe doesnt have a chit ton of those in his career. cherry picking stats for the final second shot to win or tie and then disregarding the monstrous comebacks he riles up and single handedly bringing the team back in the ball game, is just wack

this is so rich. so very hearty. so delicious.

brb lebron has 'monstrous comebacks he riles up and single handedly bringing the team back in the ball game'

brb narrative: ray allen saved lebron's career!



what about the game 7 and elimination game stats?

[iTunesBrah]

lol clearly Kobe's % will be lower because he shoots a much higher % of shots.


the LeJabroni's are out tonight.

[ClutchAnalyst]

this is so rich. so very hearty. so delicious.

brb lebron has 'monstrous comebacks he riles up and single handedly bringing the team back in the ball game'

brb narrative: ray allen saved lebron's career!



what about the game 7 and elimination game stats?

oh yeah that alone determines him as less clutch

derp

[SholaMeobi]

ITT: Kobe fans get rekt again