Kai fans explain yourself

[Darren in Gym]

Definite political statement there. No way was Phil so dominant from prejudging that he didnt need to stand next to Kai

[T3mpest]

In what way though? If it's just about size/width shouldn't Ramy > Kai?

Now your just being ignorant on purpose. Ramy lacks seperation and wasnt' as conditioned as he'd need to be to be in that group. It's never about pure size, but Ramy and Wolf both have large frames that makes the "larger" regardless of actual muscle.

Kai and Phil are both shorter guys. Kai has the wider frame, but he is also the thicker looking of the two tonight from several angles, most notably the rear and the side. Kai has the actual muscle/height ratio to keep up with Phil while still having the detail and shape, I don't have to explain BB'ing basics to you, but if that's how delusional you have to get to make Phil a clear favorite I guess that's what you'll say then right?

Phil was lacking his usual crispness in certain bodyparts and Kai was getting harder as they posed, there should have been at least one comparison between the two at the end, especially with the thickness and overall size advantage Kai has along with both of them not being 100% crisp.

[chenko]

In what way though? If it's just about size/width shouldn't Ramy > Kai?

thickness, winning majority of poses....only pose phil was better was back lat and that is horses for courses otherwise kai has so much more muscle
phil's edge in conditioning was only slight next to kai and kai tightened up more posing he did to almost negate it
kai's edge in muscularity was much more significant and aint nothing phil can do about that

still need more explanation?

[lth]

coal man you're a douche if you really believe phil deserved to be sent back without a comparison when he clearly was out massed by kai, and lost alot of poses to wolf and rhoden....ridiculous

[T3mpest]

Yes, but there was no need for Kai to gain more weight, he needed to be more conditioned to battle with Phil. He was always bigger, and like someone said, he needed to sacrifice some weight in favor of conditioning.

He did that last year and he lost. If Kai comes in at 100% he IS going to be quite a bit bigger than Phil, just like he was tonight. Last year, yeah, he was streamlined and in shape, but he was flat as all hell and he lost easily because of it. Phil had too much pop to his muscles compared to Kai and Kai had almost NO size advantage. Phil has more quality so Kai does need a size advantage to be competitive. If Kai was a bit more dry here, he still could have been basically just as big, but just as sharp or moreso than Phil. Phil really didn't look that dry to me at all, watery abs especially. We will see how they end up tmw I suppose, but it wouldn't be impossible for Kai to look outright better than Phil period if he tightens up just a hair and Phil stays the same.

[Chocpie]

Anyone think Phil's structure looked awkward as hell? His legs made his upper body look extra narrow.

[Coal Man]

coal man you're a douche if you really believe phil deserved to be sent back without a comparison when he clearly was out massed by kai, and lost alot of poses to wolf and rhoden....ridiculous

Whoa...please point out where I said Phil should have been sent back? Go on...I'll wait.

[JanesLastResort]

don't feed the troll.

[mbamboocha112]

haha fk off if you really believe that

just hiding behind the fixed judging to prove your point, strong

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[DPNZ]

Did you guys see how muscley Phil was?!

[BartPimpson]

Anyone think Phil's structure looked awkward as hell? His legs made his upper body look extra narrow.

He has huge arms that dwarf his torso. His delts look bigger than his pecs. He's one of those guys where the more mass he has, the more out of balance he looks.

[RoroCwalker]

All of you admitted he was off. Now you're pissed because he's bigger than Phil.

Get over it. Kai was always bigger and wider. He lost his sharpness this year to play the mass game and just ended up too heavy.

Also, so far: Rhoden > Kai.

In 4 hate.

I will upload the stream after it's done converting, we will watch it again and determine if that statement holds it ground.

Solo, Kai looked off. Next to Phil, his size was too overpowering and Phil didn't show enough detail to slap Kai away.

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Width should be important in bodybuilding!!

[weltweitefurcht]

Anyone think Phil's structure looked awkward as hell? His legs made his upper body look extra narrow.

Yea a lot of people bring that up. I do agree with you.. but he definitely has an interesting physique. One of the freakiest bodybuilders. He has that myostatin muscle mutation look going on for sure... but I do cringe when I see how unbalanced he is.

[armaniac]

I agree with OP in that we've always known that Kai was/is already bigger than Phil so I'm not sure why most are acting like his size was going to be the deciding factor. This is now the 3rd year in a row where Kai needlessly concerns himself with bringing big muscles when he should really be focusing on dialing in his conditioning to be as sharp as possible, even if that requires losing some size.

After the changes Kai made when he replaced Oscar for Farah I really thought that Farah understood that with Kai it was always about the conditioning, not I'm confused and trying to figure out wth Farah was thinking. What exactly was the plan?

[spamy]

All of you admitted he was off. Now you're pissed because he's bigger than Phil.

Get over it. Kai was always bigger and wider. He lost his sharpness this year to play the mass game and just ended up too heavy.

Also, so far: Rhoden > Kai.

In 4 hate.

Phil has already plenty of groupies wanting to suck his d!ick.

[extremenergy3]

Anyone else think Wolf looked better than Kai? It may be an underdog syndrome, but when they showed the hammies of Kai and Wolf next to each other, Wolf was killin' it. They have opposite structures completely, so that's really up in the air to judge preference, but conditioning went and size seemed to be in Wolf's favor.

I don't really have anything to say about Phil... he wasn't up there long enough, but I think we'll really get to see the comparisons really well tomorrow.

[lee4]

why do i get the feeling kai fans will be posting those grainy comparison shots for years to come while they scream conspiracy.

HD clearly show phil ahead of everyone. does that mean he should have been sent back? no.

if kai deserved to be ahead of phil with kai's current condition, then ramy is equally as conditioned and bigger than kai. yet none of you are screaming how this is ramy's show right now???




honestly, i think dex and rhoden deserve to be competing with wolf for the #2 spot right now. they seem to be the only ones O ready.

[stealth_swimmer]

haha fk off if you really believe that

just hiding behind the fixed judging to prove your point, strong

I think you're hiding behind a love for size at the expense of quality.

Phil probably should've been compared more, but he beat Kai in conditioning and proportion(by a longshot in proportion). IMO, Wolf is closer to Phil than Kai. I had Wolf beating Kai in comparisons, which honestly shocked me

[lee4]

mr. O right here folks. you're blind if you can't see that this is clearly owning heath right now. their conditioning is SO comparable.




not even sure why THIS walked on stage...

[Jojo3000]

Hey look another phil ass sniffer

[Coal Man]

Hey look another phil ass sniffer

What's up with you guys with cocks/ass sniffing, etc. I don't discriminate man but you may wanna keep your thoughts to yourself

[sedrik]

Kai over Phil in BDB, Side Chest, Side Tri, FBD and FLS.
This is subjective as fuk so no point arguing.

[DedicateD93]

I think you're hiding behind a love for size at the expense of quality.

Phil probably should've been compared more, but he beat Kai in conditioning and proportion(by a longshot in proportion). IMO, Wolf is closer to Phil than Kai. I had Wolf beating Kai in comparisons, which honestly shocked me

No, as someone said above Phil looked awkward in some poses. Phil was holding water also, maybe slightly ahead of Kai in conditioning. Kai clearly dwarfed him though.

[flangmasterj]

Kai over Phil in BDB, Side Chest, Side Tri, FBD and FLS.
This is subjective as fuk so no point arguing.

[Spartacus81]

Here on boards are way to many fans who think that size is most important factor in judging. Wolf is bigger than Kai and Phil and he still wont place ahead of them. Phil is clearly winning, he is in better conditioning than last year and fuller, even though he can fill up even more,while on the other hand, Kai is bigger but less conditioned than last year. Its not all about size so get over with, Phil is a clear winner here.

agreed.

[DavisForman]

Finally one of you isn't trolling me.

Appreciate your answer but the only noticeable size advantage I see is from the back. And stomach.

[boyoboyo]

OP takes this **** waaaay too seriously.

Just a glance at the guys sig tells you all you need to know.

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the only thing Phil has on Kai is glutes..
other than that Kai owns Phil on almost everything

[BlackNumero]

I think last night's prejudging Phil won, but I don't think he should have been sent back. People wouldn't be nearly as mad at Phil if he wasn't sent back.
When you look at the high def pictures Phil looks like the winner. But he does not win all of the poses. Was he winning enough to be sent back? No, I don't think so.

I think everyone, both Phil fans and analysts, have said that Phil probably should not have been sent back.