Can Anyone Verify if SAN Platinum Whey Isolate has the GMP Stamp

[beastmode47]

Topic.

With all these topics on shady companies and shady label claims, I'm getting paranoid trying out companies I've never tried before.

[em-dubya]

I wouldnt buy a product just cause it has a GMP stamp. Thats really doesnt mean a whole lot

[beastmode47]

Why not?

From what I've been reading, GMP means a product meets label claims, clean facility, quality control, and testing of the final products for potency, purity and authenticity. This is much better than not having a GMP stamp of approval or a certificate of inspection. Means a whole lot more than nothing.

[Terrimonas]

All supplement companies / their contract manufacturers are required to follow the FDA's cGMP regulations now as it is. There is "official" cGMP Certified recognition through organizations like NSF and NNFA though.

I think all of SANs products have a GMP stamp http://sann.net/index.php/about/mission-statement

[beastmode47]

All supplement companies / their contract manufacturers are required to follow the FDA's cGMP regulations now as it is. There is "official" cGMP Certified recognition through organizations like NSF and NNFA though.

I think all of SANs products have a GMP Certified stamp http://sann.net/index.php/about/mission-statement

Sweet!

All companies are required to follow cGMP regulations but many do not have that stamp or officially GMP certified. SAN has my business if their creme brulee ends up tasting at least a 7 out of 10.

[Terrimonas]

Sweet!

All companies are required to follow cGMP regulations but many do not have that stamp or officially GMP certified. SAN has my business if their creme brulee ends up tasting at least a 7 out of 10.

The FDA does inspect manufacturing facilities so a lot of companies could use that same stamp as SAN but maybe don't.

[Marshall28]

There is a difference between GMP and cGMP

[TMac26]

There is a difference between GMP and cGMP

This.


cGMP > GMP

[beastmode47]

The FDA does inspect manufacturing facilities so a lot of companies could use that same stamp as SAN but maybe don't.

I don't see why a company wouldn't.

[Terrimonas]

There is a difference between GMP and cGMP

This.


cGMP > GMP

cGMP is just an acronym for Current Good Manufacturing Practices

I think you mean GMP / cGMP Certified (by orgs such as NSF and NNFA)

[cjwav34]

I just looked at my tub of Metaforce and SAN in GMP Certified.

[TMac26]

cGMP is just an acronym for Current Good Manufacturing Practices

I think you mean GMP / cGMP Certified (by orgs such as NSF and NNFA)

I thought cGMP was a bit more stricter standard than just GMP? As in the controls and standards are much tighter?

[em-dubya]

Why not?

From what I've been reading, GMP means a product meets label claims, clean facility, quality control, and testing of the final products for potency, purity and authenticity. This is much better than not having a GMP stamp of approval or a certificate of inspection. Means a whole lot more than nothing.

You've obviously never been in one then....some are VERY impressive while others not so much

[ajerone]

Anyone can claim GMP. If a company is cGMP, it is definitely something they would put on their label because 1) it costs more to manufacture certified products, 2) it adds to label attractiveness to see that. No reason a company would be cGMP and NOT put it on the label

[Terrimonas]

I thought cGMP was a bit more stricter standard than just GMP? As in the controls and standards are much tighter?

Just an acronym for "Current Good Manufacturing Practices" = cGMPs http://www.fda.gov/drugs/development.../ucm169105.htm

cGMP Certified is something of more value.

[TMac26]

Anyone can claim GMP. If a company is cGMP, it is definitely something they would put on their label because 1) it costs more to manufacture certified products, 2) it adds to label attractiveness to see that. No reason a company would be cGMP and NOT put it on the label

Just an acronym for "Current Good Manufacturing Practices" = cGMPs http://www.fda.gov/drugs/development.../ucm169105.htm

cGMP Certified is something of more value.

What ajerone is what I thought. GMP is "in house quality control" where as cGMP was regulated and inspected by the FDA. I could be completely wrong though. I could have swore I remember Des from Gaspari saying that in order to be cGMP you have to be subject to FDA inspections at anytime to maintain cGMP certification.

[Terrimonas]

What ajerone is what I thought. GMP is "in house quality control" where as cGMP was regulated and inspected by the FDA. I could be completely wrong though. I could have swore I remember Des from Gaspari saying that in order to be cGMP you have to be subject to FDA inspections at anytime to maintain cGMP certification.

Everyone should be following the FDA's cGMP regulations and facilities are subject to their inspection now. Look at what just recently happened to USPLabs.

[TMac26]

Everyone should be following the FDA's cGMP regulations and facilities are subject to their inspection now. Look at what just recently happened to USPLabs.

Ah good point. Lets be honest here though about USP. Jacob started selling that stuff out of his garage, he probably just expanded it.

[ajerone]

Anyone can claim that they use "good manufacturing processes." its very open to interpretation.

[em-dubya]

Just an acronym for "Current Good Manufacturing Practices" = cGMPs http://www.fda.gov/drugs/development.../ucm169105.htm

cGMP Certified is something of more value.

What ajerone is what I thought. GMP is "in house quality control" where as cGMP was regulated and inspected by the FDA. I could be completely wrong though. I could have swore I remember Des from Gaspari saying that in order to be cGMP you have to be subject to FDA inspections at anytime to maintain cGMP certification.

You've obviously never been in one then....some are VERY impressive while others not so much

Still the same with cGMP^^^^ You will find some good ones and some very crappy ones....It really doesnt mean as much as you think

[em-dubya]

Ah good point. Lets be honest here though about USP. Jacob started selling that stuff out of his garage, he probably just expanded it.

Gaspari did as well ,except he expanded a little out of the neighborhood

[poison]

SAN does not spike our protein. Moreover, the vast majority of our proteins are from glanbia, both concentrate and isolates, with every assurance that brings.

[TMac26]

Gaspari did as well ,except he expanded a little out of the neighborhood

Well I mean Jacob literally just probably just expanded his garage. Went from a two car to a four car.

[beastmode47]

SAN does not spike our protein. Moreover, the vast majority of our proteins are from glanbia, both concentrate and isolates, with every assurance that brings.

I know your proteins aren't spiked with individual essential amino acids (like the beastly glycine). My concern is actual protein grams meeting the label claims. I've been finding out that some proteins are not meeting such claims. Very risky to do business with many protein companies out there and I just wanted to know whether SAN is GMP stamped or not. Now that I know, I will be getting your creme brulee with my Hydrowhey next month.

[em-dubya]

SAN does not spike our protein. Moreover, the vast majority of our proteins are from glanbia, both concentrate and isolates, with every assurance that brings.

SAN buys directly from Glanbia?? I was not aware of that

Well I mean Jacob literally just probably just expanded his garage. Went from a two car to a four car.

lol gotcha

[beastmode47]

SAN buys directly from Glanbia?? I was not aware of that



lol gotcha

SAN should just sell themselves to Glanbia. More profit right there. No longer need to make cheese just for the sole purpose of acquiring whey, since Glanbia produces tons of cheese, all the waste products of whey will be at their disposal.

[TMac26]

SAN should just sell themselves to Glanbia. More profit right there. No longer need to make cheese just for the sole purpose of acquiring whey, since Glanbia produces tons of cheese, all the waste products of whey will be at their disposal.

Problem is, ON will then just fold up SAN. And all the products that makes SAN great will disappear. The more huge companies like Glanbia buy up smaller companies like SAN, the more they can dictate the price of whey, raws, etc. They will create a monopoly of the whey market, and when that happens. Everybody loses.


Whose to say that if Glanbia controlled 90% of whey production they just decided to increase the price of whey 10 fold? Who would stop them?

[em-dubya]

SAN should just sell themselves to Glanbia. More profit right there. No longer need to make cheese just for the sole purpose of acquiring whey, since Glanbia produces tons of cheese, all the waste products of whey will be at their disposal.

There are only a few companies that actually buy directly from Glanbia thats why I asked. Many buy from brokers that "source from Glanbia" like here http://trade.indiamart.com/details.mp?offer=4092424046)
Thats where the problems arise


edit :sorry link doesnt work but look at Nakoda Dairy Pvt Lmt

[beastmode47]

Problem is, ON will then just fold up SAN. And all the products that makes SAN great will disappear. The more huge companies like Glanbia buy up smaller companies like SAN, the more they can dictate the price of whey, raws, etc. They will create a monopoly of the whey market, and when that happens. Everybody loses.


Whose to say that if Glanbia controlled 90% of whey production they just decided to increase the price of whey 10 fold? Who would stop them?

How will ON fold up SAN? ON =/= Glanbia. Glanbia owns both BSN and ON. ON has no say with BSN products, and both are still independent of one another.

[beastmode47]

There are only a few companies that actually buy directly from Glanbia thats why I asked. Many buy from brokers that "source from Glanbia" like here http://trade.indiamart.com/details.mp?offer=4092424046)
Thats where the problems arise


edit :sorry link doesnt work but look at Nakoda Dairy Pvt Lmt

Interesting. I'd be interested to know the companies that buy from these brokers. I can see looks of worries if that list was produced.