Chrisitianity gets bashed by Atheists who seem as determined to get people to believe God doesn't exist as those Christians who try get people to believe God does. Christians define morality by the church teachings. How would an atheist determine what is moral and why? Do you believe others should adopt societies morality or create their own?
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06-23-2012, 07:00 PM #1Registered User
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Calling all Atheists? Spoken to a few, but how do You define what is Moral?
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06-23-2012, 07:02 PM #2Crypto-Theist Shill
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Originally Posted by AnotherBuckeye
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'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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06-23-2012, 07:04 PM #3Registered User
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If I were to label myself is prob be somewhat of an agnostic Buddhist but its simple bro. Be a man. Simple words to live by
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06-23-2012, 07:17 PM #4Banned
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Dont harm others.
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06-23-2012, 07:18 PM #5Registered User
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Same way you judge what is moral when the bible or whatever does not apply.
Do you think farting in a crowded lift would be a nice thing to do? (NB: I said nice not funny) ...bible doesn't teach you that. There are plenty of situations in modern life where the bible does not teach you what is right and what is wrong but you still manage to get by without it's guidance.
The answer is society, I was taught my morals and values mostly by my parents, so were you. You may find that now you can look to the scriptures for guidance but I doubt you were able to properly appreciate them until you were well into your teens. However you still had a good sense of right and wrong, maybe not a complete sense but some of it at least.
It is important to note that even in very religious societies what is right and what is wrong has shifted significantly over the past few thousand years. This is compelling evidence that society is the foundation for most peoples morals irrespective of religion.
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06-23-2012, 07:30 PM #6Pedicabo ego vos et irrum
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I can't believe this is even a question. OP is a fuktard.
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06-23-2012, 08:48 PM #7Registered User
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not sure how to respons to this thread...somewhere between...
define "harm" (no lee4, don't run down this philosophical rabbit hole) and...Originally Posted by DocHol1day
this.Originally Posted by A-GAME
lol, i'm atheist. i don't have time to respond to this thread, too busy raping and pillaging since there be noz heavenz.___________________________________________________________
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06-23-2012, 08:55 PM #8Registered User
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This.Originally Posted by DocHol1day
" The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog"
- Mark Twain
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06-23-2012, 08:55 PM #9Banned
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physically damaging another person or their property. decieving them in business transactions. polluting their environment.Originally Posted by lee4
i'm sure i could list more, but this is something that should really be approached with common sense.
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06-23-2012, 09:18 PM #10
Lets just answer what is immoral, anything that isn't immoral is usually okay.
Something is immoral if it causes harm to other people, society, causes suffering to animals, or is detrimental to the future of the planet.
And morals have absolutely nothing to do with why people are atheists, it's just that there's no evidence to believe in a god.
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06-23-2012, 09:22 PM #11Registered User
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Rationalizing morality is a tricky thing to explain because there are so many parts to its influence. But, to indoctrinate individuals with crutches such as the Bible, it only causes more harm to society. Because once that crutch breaks for a few individuals who have solidified their morality via crutches in adult age, they can become very confused and dangerous people.
The Bible and the Quran are McDonald's quality served artificial morality which is and always will be weaker than self or socially proscribed rationalized morality. Hell we already have evidence people don't follow the Bible at all, because social morality is more powerful.
Originally Posted by PaulG
Probably the greatest intrinsic question a theist can ask. My good man, it is not an easy one to answer either, especially when trying to rationalize a conformed ideology of atheistic morality with society. An individual may be inherently a social evil even under the guise of religion, and use that social medicine through out life to stay a productive citizen. It is no doubt that over the centuries religion has become more and more common place as natural socialistic functions of society. The term social medicine is something I just made up, but, it's implications are simple. Overtime, a social deviant can still conform just enough to society with the right amount of programming through social medicine like religion to pass on their genes. With religion it creates a social bubble of absoluteness(God is watching you, meaning nothing you can instinctively rationalize can exploit thought to become socially deviant). With atheism and others, this valuable social clutch if removed can have profound impact on ones social instincts.
We essentially start all over as social species, back to square one. And, it will be a generational change since most people do not think for themselves.
It is important to understand that whilst over the centuries, religion has evolved social structures to fit and meld most of what we know of society. An atheist today might goto a counselor for social problems whilst for generations people of religion have been going to their pastor or religious leader. It is a dramatic change in environment. The atheist in this case would be essentially be downgrading the social environment it is in. No, real intrinsic leadership, no absolute concrete wall of morality, and no community support. All which religion can provide at a more evolved social stratus.
The problem here is that our societies have evolved to be religious and not to be moral on the basis of humanity. It will take just as long as religion has existed to integrate a better social environment than that which religion can provide within a social group today. It may take a thousand years for an influence intellectual to break the barriers in the unknown of social environments we're born into.
I can tell you for one, desensitization of things such as violence portrayed in the media doesn't help one bit. Nor, does the antisocial superficial behavior people have in society. The lack of empathy for your fellow man is not something even religion cannot conjure due to the social mind viruses floating around in our societies. Objective morality is simply a society that can empathetically create a perfect sense of health of the mind, body and spirit of society. Without this basic understanding of societies, animals alike. One would have to place themselves as a deviant(most of us are programmed to be something we're not) to our societal instincts, in which the society should either try to repair, prevent or terminate that individual.
If you imagine thousands of years from now, perhaps an influential and power social scientist realizes and creates social conditions to create and instill perfect morality within you. As of now boys and girls are entirely on their own, ready to be exploited by a floating mind virus, even in religion because humans tend to ignore the importance of social structures.
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06-23-2012, 09:25 PM #12Registered User
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Well let's see there's a whole field of study called ethics. And I'm pretty sure religion isn't the foundation of that.
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06-23-2012, 09:31 PM #13Registered User
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i agree with this on an intuitive level, but part of me is pushing to inquire further...Originally Posted by DocHol1day
define "damage", "property", "deceive", and "pollute".
~seriously, don't...i get your point
just feeling like over analyzing everything ATM. don't humor me, please.
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06-23-2012, 09:41 PM #14Banned
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i feel like youre trying to find a logical fallacy between my beliefs regarding various welfare programs and what i define as harm.....Originally Posted by lee4
i agree with this on an intuitive level, but part of me is pushing to inquire further...
define "damage", "property", "deceive", and "pollute".
~seriously, don't...i get your point just feeling like over analyzing everything ATM. don't humor me, please.
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06-23-2012, 09:46 PM #15Registered User
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Categorical Imperative by Immanuel Kant
1. Your action must have universality, it's not okay to do something if it's not desirable for everyone to do it. Before stealing from a wishing well you must first imagine a world where everyone steals from a wishing well and none of the money ever goes to cancer research.
2. Humans cannot be used as means to an end.
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06-23-2012, 09:57 PM #16Registered User
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EDIT: ^^^and then this m'fer comes along!!! fuk me.
well, since you mention it...there are logical issues with everything if you spend enough time...Originally Posted by DocHol1day
but...no, i've just spent all day studying and am celebrating with a drink, yet can't shut my head off...yet. lol.
i'm being sincere when i plead for your not humoring me.___________________________________________________________
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06-23-2012, 09:58 PM #17Misc Island
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Any person with any credability thats an athiest or whatever they brand themselves as it really doesnt matter, Would not claim to know there is no god and they would not force people to beleive god doesnt exist. Its about logical and rational thinking and exploring evidence.Originally Posted by AnotherBuckeye
The Church, Christianity or the bibles teachings are not that moral. Nor are some of the "rules" even applicable to todays living. Why cant we define our own set of morals and standards our society lives by and gradualy refine them.
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06-23-2012, 10:00 PM #18This.Originally Posted by DocHol1day
Treat people nice and everyone is happy.
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06-23-2012, 10:26 PM #19Banned
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Originally Posted by lee4
Yea I don't believe I've ever studied kant but that post makes me wanna brb amazon.com a used book...
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06-23-2012, 10:29 PM #20Abu Curls :p
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???Originally Posted by lee4
It is impossible to lay hands on that which is not predestined for us, and that which is predestined for us will reach us wherever we are.
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06-23-2012, 10:32 PM #21Registered User
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Empathy, common sense, sense of community.
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06-23-2012, 10:41 PM #22Crypto-Theist Shill
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Given your acceptance of cutting people's heads off for apostasy I'd say your disqualified from participating in this thread.Originally Posted by Kurd4evah
'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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06-23-2012, 10:48 PM #23Facilitating the i̵̬͠l̴̺͒
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if allah (PIITB) approves, who are you to argue?Originally Posted by lasher
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06-23-2012, 10:57 PM #24Banned
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Any morality without an absolute standard and final judgement is arbitrary, based upon egoism, and ultimately weak and pliable under the force of an irate, tireless minority. Unique 20th century events such as the 100 million+ killed under atheistic communism or the holocaust and the action T4 program are the result of atheistic "morality". Today the fruits are the millions of babies killed every year via induced abortion and increasing euthanasia. Communism, Nazism and abortion are all opposed by Christianity, but under atheism they are given the opportunity to rise to power in societies which forget God.
Friedrich Neitzche defined it in "The Genealogy of Morality":
Cliffs:(T)he problem with the other origin of the “good,” of the good man, as the person of ressentiment has thought it out for himself, demands some conclusion. It is not surprising that the lambs should bear a grudge against the great birds of prey, but that is no reason for blaming the great birds of prey for taking the little lambs. And when the lambs say among themselves, "These birds of prey are evil, and he who least resembles a bird of prey, who is rather its opposite, a lamb,—should he not be good?" then there is nothing to carp with in this ideal's establishment, though the birds of prey may regard it a little mockingly, and maybe say to themselves, "We bear no grudge against them, these good lambs, we even love them: nothing is tastier than a tender lamb."(emphasis mine)
-Might makes right
-Sadism where desired
-Make fun of Christianity for kicks (lambs)
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06-23-2012, 10:58 PM #25Registered User
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easy,
"do unto others as you would have done unto u"
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06-23-2012, 11:01 PM #26Registered User
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Tell me ur kidding...Originally Posted by Harbinger
are we to assume
a. Allah or God would condone murder?
b. It is a good muslim who follows this interpretation becouse it is 'allahs' will
Thankyou........ You have just illustrated what is insane about Islam'Did you Know'..you can use old motor oil to fertilize your garden?
What would Tyler Durton do?
"The best activities for your health are pumping and humping." .......... Arnold Schwarzenegger
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180 >>>>> SQ >>>> 255
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110 >>>>> PR >>>>> 160
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06-23-2012, 11:16 PM #27meaningless words to live by.Originally Posted by deadlift375
Hitler was a man btw.
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06-23-2012, 11:24 PM #28Abu Curls :p
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Your Christian right?Originally Posted by lasher
It's the same thing in Christianity.It is impossible to lay hands on that which is not predestined for us, and that which is predestined for us will reach us wherever we are.
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06-24-2012, 12:06 AM #29Registered User
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After an entire thread of people explaining the simple concept of atheism not being a belief-system you still regurgitate the same nonsense.Originally Posted by Adrogeus
How long did it take you to learn how to tie your shoes?
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06-24-2012, 12:22 AM #30Banned
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Originally Posted by Judgment
Do you think that because atheists don't believe in the supernatural that they don't have any beliefs?Noun
belief (plural beliefs)
(in the plural) One's religious or moral convictions.
I can't do that. It's against my beliefs.
just feeling like over analyzing everything ATM. don't humor me, please.
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