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12-10-2012, 11:28 PM #121
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12-11-2012, 12:24 AM #122
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I am not going to call you ignorant, but there is a clear difference between a guy like you speak of and someone that doesn't have horse poo genetics.
You see, there are literally guys that can take a few bike rides a week on the T track, one bike ride a week on the D track and a few short bike rides on the A track every day and look like they are riding the bike all day at very high speeds.
I ASSURE you some of them are just genetic anomalies that don't do as much bike riding as you assume. Drug addicts? Come on man.
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12-11-2012, 12:26 AM #123
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12-11-2012, 12:44 AM #124
Look, the true pro level people in this world will explode even off the most basic cycle. That's the whole drug response thing. However, at the top of the food chain these guys are all taking similar amounts and have been since the 60s. Various generations have openly spoke about this...from Ric Drasin talking about the drug usage in the 70s, to Ronnie and Yates talking about the 90s. There is a response to AAS that separates the pros from the rest of the world, but that gap narrows at the top among the elite. You're not going to find someone Kai's size on anything less than 4-5 grams of AAS + slin/gh no matter how great their genes are.
As far as being a drug addict goes....99% of pros and top amateurs will do pretty much anything for AAS money. Schmoes/g4p exists for a reason. They need their dose and will do crazy things to get it sometimes if they don't have a consistent sponsor. On top of that, narcotics and other pharmaceutical drugs are big at the high levels of BB'ing. Try sleeping on 1.5-2 grams of tren ace with all the other stims in your system and tell me how that works out for ya. Odds are you're going to need some ******, ***** or GHB. Amphetamine use is common as well...guys talk about dragging ass and feeling like death in the last few weeks of contest prep, so how does one go about getting a 'bump'? More drugs.
Control BP? Lisinopril and blood thinners.
Pain? Opiates
Tren/EQ mental sides? benzos
Are they on all of the above at once? Some are, not all. But don't think for a second that the same guys willing to do double digit amount of injections per week to pose on stage aren't willing to take some s hit to ease the sides of the intense doses they're on...that's ignorant.
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12-11-2012, 12:45 AM #125
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12-11-2012, 12:46 AM #126
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12-11-2012, 12:47 AM #127
lol there's guys on this board doing 1.5 and they don't even compete.
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In fact this guy is:
Also a great example of how subtle good SEO use can be (bicep and triceps). He openly talks about his protocols on another board and he aspires to go pro one day (he's 20 now)
Here he is next to Antoine
So why would 500 more than that be farfetched for the top of the food chain?Last edited by Brofessional; 12-11-2012 at 01:07 AM.
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12-11-2012, 01:47 AM #128
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^ I dont know enough about that side of bodybuilding to contribute but do guys at that level seriously use seo?
Too many guys just taking whatever to get to be a pro these days IMO.
Dont know about you guys but unless I responded really well to that kind of supplementation i wouldnt even bother.I Discovered A Meal Between Breakfast And Brunch
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12-11-2012, 01:50 AM #129
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12-11-2012, 01:55 AM #130
Motocross, legit about 7-8 things at any one time which you need to concentrate on. Off the track, spending numerous hours just doing the same corner over and over again until you get it perfect everytime. Lucky im not a pro, could not live that lifestyle.
edit: training i can guarantee theres more dedication. Not so much about diet.
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12-11-2012, 01:57 AM #131
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12-11-2012, 02:02 AM #132
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12-11-2012, 02:10 AM #133
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12-11-2012, 02:15 AM #134
Its not getting easy,its just that most sports at pro level demand 100% commitment in trainning/nutrition/rest,not just bodybuilding.Add to that that many sports demand very hard and laborious trainning.
The thing with bodybuilding is that even if you bodybuild in an amateur level(if you bodybuild not just weightliftig) you get to do 80-100%of the things the pros do .You sleep,eat,train,weigh everything you eat e.t.c at 24hour basis,365 days a year.Ιn most other amateur sports(competing or not) you can be way more elastic without damaging your gains.The way i see it nutrition is so much and integral part of bodubuilding,that you just cannot be relaxed with it either you are a pro or an amateur.Add to that HEAVY trainning,living by the clock AND the fact that most people out of the pro ranks Have real jobs,combining all those things is most stresfull than what other amateurs go through.Another example of sport at amateur level that is that stressfull is some martial arts or SERIOUS mma."The art of living well and the art of dying well are one."
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12-11-2012, 02:15 AM #135
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some people might be ......those that have tried to get it into olympics for example but it does not meet the olympic definition of a sport meaning it needs to be based on athleticism and physical dexterity
i like both BB and sports for various reasons but tire of people claiming BB is a sportEveryday is a lesson. Listen.
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12-11-2012, 02:26 AM #136
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12-11-2012, 02:42 AM #137
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12-11-2012, 06:30 AM #138
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12-11-2012, 07:23 AM #139
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I enjoy that you completely ignored all points I made. Phelps eats according to his training. The same way a bodybuilder does. His nutrition just happens to consist of more calories and large carb consumption due to his particular event. Again, how does any of that make it not a lifestyle? It doesn't.
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12-11-2012, 08:40 AM #140
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12-11-2012, 08:44 AM #141
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12-11-2012, 09:26 AM #142
Having dieted down to the low end of single digits 3 times in my "career" and having done track and field for years i can honestly say dieting on 300g of carbs a week for 35 weeks doesn't even come CLOSE to waking up at 4:30 in the morning and doing 400m/100m sprints 10 minutes after getting up in the cold (warm weather is even worse).
It depends on the individual, and that is obvious. However, other more traditional sports get even harder at a professional level as the competition demands a much higher level of skill and preperation. Brb running the 100m dash under 10 secs. Insane sacrifices are made to get there even for talented athletes.
/inbiased opinion from a junior competitorLast edited by JanesLastResort; 12-11-2012 at 09:44 AM.
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12-11-2012, 09:37 AM #143
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12-11-2012, 09:43 AM #144
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12-11-2012, 09:43 AM #145
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12-11-2012, 09:49 AM #146
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12-11-2012, 09:53 AM #147
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There's definitely a degree of subjectivity to this discussion. I absolutely loath running and I too would probably find any sport involving heavy cardio to be much harder than bodybuilding.
But I know a number of people at the gym I train at that love cardio and think it's a walk, or maybe run , in the park. Most of those people keep their distance from the weights, because to them, resistance training is hell.Bench: 215x12 (17/12/2011) PR since torn RC
"Being the best in your circle is not enough; you have to think bigger to become a champion. Don’t think like a small fish in a big pond or else when you get to the ocean you’ll be eaten alive." - Fouad Abiad
"Proper preparation prevents poor performance," - Kai Greene
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12-11-2012, 10:00 AM #148
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