thanks for all the scientific facts and insight, i do learn everyday from our great members...i think that i may stay on keto longer, this is a great diet plan and the science that you bring is very informative and 90% makes sense, i have to go back and read this thread few times to really get the facts. today i went up in weight 183 pnds, but my waistline/abs are getting smaller. I think that I had to adjust my fats to cals ratio. So far so good and repps to all that helped me so far.
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03-23-2011, 03:47 PM #31IIFYM crews ....I Reps back.
Traditional Wet Shave Crew / I can't hardly wait for tomorrow to come so I can lift then Wet Shave again.
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03-23-2011, 04:31 PM #39
The primary determinant is a caloric deficit. Unless you suffer from a metabolic condition, mixed macro diets have approximately the same level of efficacy as a low carb diet. That's not to say that there are no advantages for using a keto diet, because there are tons; hormones, blood profile, adherence, food choices, lessened hunger, etc. Long term fatloss/weightloss just isn't one of them, or at least hasn't been scientifically shown to be one.
"Arterial plaque is primarily composed of unsaturated fats particularly polyunsaturated ones." (Felton, C V, et al, Lancet, 1994, 344:1195)
How to bulk: http://70sbig.com/food/
Diet = http://i52.tinypic.com/21bhop.png
...or something like this daily. Problem? ;)
FFMI = 24
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03-23-2011, 05:04 PM #41
I love your use of scientific evidence.
However, I counter with: Ketogenic Low-Carbohydrate Diets have no Metabolic Advantage over Nonketogenic Low-Carbohydrate Diets – Research Review
And Lyle Mcdonald's discussion of the above: here
There is more evidence fighting for both sides out there, but I am too lazy to go get it all. Do note, though, that I am a big proponent for a low carb diet. Attributing some magic metabolic advantage to it is just a disservice to dieters."Arterial plaque is primarily composed of unsaturated fats particularly polyunsaturated ones." (Felton, C V, et al, Lancet, 1994, 344:1195)
How to bulk: http://70sbig.com/food/
Diet = http://i52.tinypic.com/21bhop.png
...or something like this daily. Problem? ;)
FFMI = 24
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03-23-2011, 06:36 PM #49
If you are a lifelong bodybuilder/athlete/etc. then you won't see as great of a benefit from Keto vs a mixed macro cal deficit diet as a person who is obese or has struggled with weight in America their whole life (like 60% or so of Americans). More recent studies have shown that as many as 2 out of 3 people have some level of intolerance to carbohydrates and this is a main proponent of the weight gain/obesity epidemic going on. This is where the metabolic advantage of Keto that Atavis touched on comes in.
You control your own destiny; some of us take that responsibility more seriously than others
Cutting update:
Carb cycling with carb backloading
Currently 2 carb nights a week
Losing 2-3 lbs a week, goal weight and body fat % set for November 15th arrival date. Currently on track. Plan is laid out with updates scheduled along the way, but as always subject to change based on body's responses and speed of progress
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03-23-2011, 07:37 PM #50
my opine, it seems that theres great benefits in the long term, but isnt it too early to tell? This diet has just come into existence recently, theres no real long term data yet.
__________________IIFYM crews ....I Reps back.
Traditional Wet Shave Crew / I can't hardly wait for tomorrow to come so I can lift then Wet Shave again.
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03-23-2011, 09:14 PM #57
lol...it's all for the virtue of truth!
My 2 cents about keto vs other diets is that it could just be in the brain, but for some, like myself, gain fat much more easily when carbs are in the diet than when they aren't. It might not always be tremendously more easily, but it is significant and significant enough to warrant cutting them out to potentially lose fat more effectively.
There's the health benefits, etc. that have already been noted. I cut once doing a regular diet but that was so long ago and was when I was just starting out with lifting. I don't really feel like ever cutting on higher carb again, so I doubt I'll get any more personal experience with that method of cutting for at least a while.
All in all, low-carb > high carb for health and anabolic reasons, all fast loss effectiveness aside."OddLawnGnome: Edit: and one further question, how soon after eating post workout should I drink water? I don't want to accidentally flush all of the protein and such I just ate out of my system."
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