Speed work is useless waste of time

[MUSCLEBEAR925]

IN SUMMATION, PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ADJUST A WELL WRITTEN, PRE-MADE TEMPLATE SUCH AS SHEIKO WHEN THEY DONT YET HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROPERLY REGULATE VOLUME. LEARNING TO REGULATE YOUR TRAINING VOLUME CAN TAKE YEARS TO BECOME ADEPT. THAT BEING SAID, ANYONE CAN MAKE PROGRESS FROM AN "ADVANCED PROGRAM" IF IT IS TAILORED TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ABILITIES AND NEEDS. THAT'S WHY WESTSIDE IS CONSIDERED AN "ADVANCED" PROGRAM, YET A NEW LIFTER CAN MAKE GREAT PROGRESS IF SOMEONE ELSE IS DICTATING VOLUME, SETS, ETC.

THIS THREAD HAS EXHIBITED A BOY WHO WATCHES TOO MUCH CNN AND THINKS HE CAN MODIFY A PROGRAM WRITTEN BY BORIS F*CKING GREAT SOVIET SHEIKO DESPITE HIS VERY LIMITED EXPERIENCE (IF ANY) IN PROGRAMMING A WELL MADE TRAINING REGIMINE. MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO TURN OFF THE MONITOR, STOP BEING CONCERNED WITH "TRAINING THEORY" THAT YOU CAN'T YET IMPLEMENT CORRECTLY, AND JUST WORK YOUR ASS OFF. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE SWOLE JACKED DUDE IN THE ANIMAL ADS HAS A MASTERS IN KINSEOLOGY? **** NO, HE IS SOME DEADBEAT WAREHOUSE WORKER MAKING $11 AN HOUR BUT AT LEAST HE GIVES A DAMN WHEN IT MATTERS IN THE GYM! GO LIFT OR GET ****ED!

- Musclebear

[ChecksandGiggles]

GO LIFT OR GET ****ED!

This made me smile, Musclebear. Thanks for that gem.

[Pincegordo]

it might help you bench 405.





The range of useful speed work for a raw lifter and a geared lifter are going to be different. You're comparing apples to oranges here.

becky, i hate you so much.

My elbows feel like **** from speed work on bench, no matter how much weight i use.

[Pincegordo]

OH HEY BRO I BRIEFLY SAW YOU AT THE SCIVATION BOOTH AT THE OLYMPIA, YOUR BICEP PEAKS ARE UNREAL...SERIOUSLY, NOT TRYING TO KISS ASS TO AVOID A BAN BUT YOUR PEAKS ARE NUTS, ESPECIALLY FOR A NATURAL DUDE!!

- Musclebear

Jacob, I'm surprised you didn't ask the guy for a private posing session back at your hotel room.

[Phedder]

Exactly, in the same way that squats aren't gonna help my half marathon time.

Well, if you can squat for ~2 hours straight I'd think you could run a half marathon... Just sayin'

[Heavy_Beats]

Bottom of the barrow? Really? Really? Bottom of the Barrell you jackass. Also, the lack of and/or the inappropiate use of punctuation in your posts does not end with apostrophes, you also seem to have an aversion for commas.

You want a contribution? Here you go: nobody cares about a 230 lbs. man with a 1000 lbs. total who can't (see how that works?) put together a semi-coherent thought or his opinions on speed training or anything else related to lifting. You cannot practice what you attempt to preach. I will congratulate you on managing to seem retarded and pretentious at the same time though. That's a neat trick. Now, after you get off wikipedia looking for new interesting words, either go to the gym or kill yourself.

Do they have these where you live, over here in Australia (great southern land) we call them wheelbarrows, or barrow for short (Bloody oath!).


Your contribution is like tits on a bull, you yabba alot for a ticket who doesn't give a rats about my shonky grammer since I'm knackered from the heat but it's better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick since it is good for a lark. I won't be kicking any buckets and I already sfw today so I better do the Harold Holt and kip since I'm rooted.

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Thanks again to the folks that have contributed their experiences with speed work, will rep once I am off recharge.

[FrostHammer]

There are no words to describe this blatant, inflammatory stupidity presented by the OP. He has to be trying to piss everyone off.

[DarkByDesign]

in late on this thread, in my limited lifting experiences, i found that doing some speedwork for a period before going for a max does actually help a bit personally. I think its the fact speedwork teaches your muscles to contract and exert forces really quickly, and when you go for a max lift that definitely helps.

One thing im not too sure about though is how say Powercleans related to Dynamic Bench. Arent both technically speed lifts? But on cleans you can max out on a weight, where as DE bench you cant really 'max out'...

edit: musclebear rules!

[dtaps24]

Okee, final post time:

1) The Father (God), The Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit (the creator Spirit) are distinct parts of the holy trinity. Heresy aside, saying Musclebear is like Jesus is an improper analogy and your summation of the holy trinity is inaccurate. If you are a Christian, go to Church and/or study the Bible. If you are not, please keep my Faith out of your mouth and I will reciprocate in kind.
2) Making a sweeping generalization about speed work based on your experience and expertise (which you have utilized to break the mythical 1,000 lbs. total) is assinine. You should be able to progress using ANY program right now. Go to the gym. Once you have a respectable total, come back and try something like: "Speed work has not proven useful to me" if you really want input.
3) It's not just your grammer Skippy, you use words and cliches that you do not understand. For instance, scraping the bottom of a barrel comes from the fact that food and beverages were stored in barrels, the stuff at the bottom was usually old and spoiled so someone who consumed it was desperate. Scraping the bottom of a wheelbarrow would seem like standard practice when moving things like dirt from one place to another. Also "behind the eightball" means in a tight spot, so I assume you were trying for behind the curve. If you don't want to be bothered with something you don't give it the time of day, it's not that you don't have it, you choose not to give it. So, you try to talk down to people (pretentious) whilst using the wrong words (retarded).

Last but not least: of ALL the programs out there, you choose Sheiko which stresses moving submaximal weight as explosively/fast as possible (speed) while in a fatigued state (volume) to argue against the merits of speed work? Really? Really? I haven't read the Talmant article that you referenced, and probably won't because I bet I could find 10 people on this Board who understand (and have had more success with) Sheiko better than Talmant. You would be hard pressed to find a a worse example of explosiveness/speed not working than Sheiko. That's like saying "volume training doesn't work because Myles Kantor wrote a supercool article about Smolov and a Tendo unit." Sorry if I ruined your next thread.

Good luck with whatever it is you are trying to accomplish. And stay in school and don't do drugs.

[Big Sexy J]

Really? Really?

[JacobRothenberg]

Jacob, I'm surprised you didn't ask the guy for a private posing session back at your hotel room.

You have it the other way around. I think Layne would have paid for a private flex show in his suite.

[rob1992]

Do they have these where you live, over here in Australia (great southern land) we call them wheelbarrows, or barrow for short (Bloody oath!).

the saying is scraping the bottom of the barrel, not barrow....


barrow?

srsly?

you thought it was barrow?

[TheFatNinja]

Speed kills in everything competitive. Sports with balls, running sports, motorsports, any sport, speed kills. Plain and simple. Obviously the entire stroke of a max effort lift is not gonna have a ton of bar speed. There should be some kind of speed/explosion in some part of your lift. Practicing speed/explosion DEFINITELY has it's place in powerlifting IMO. I think of speed as an explosion of power or force. Lifting the most you can lift on the bench press, squat, or deadlift is just like running a sprint where you run as fast or as explosively as you possibly can. Using speed helps you put FULL FORCE into your lifts. Practicing that with lower weight %'s is going to be beneficial and make a difference when you've got a personal record in your hands or on your back.

Just my 2 cents.

Awesome post!

[pntbll687]

Speed work without a doubt is very useful for explosiveness (sport specific), but in does not translate very well to maximal strength, because generally you arent going to try to lift something heavy slowly. It goes into a huge amount of detail on this topic in the book super training.

Speed work is effective for developing power, peak power though is displayed 50-60% where as at 100% power drops to 50% and time to execute the lift is increased by 280% (Super training)

Speed work helps increase rate of force development. And doing the speed work with submaximal weights does translate into maximal loads. If your rate of force development is to slow you will fail a lift, but if that same lifter reaches peak force faster the lift may be completed.


And all the programs that don't necessarily have DE days in them, if you use compensatory acceleration, pushing the bar as fast as possible, you are in a way doing DE work.

[Curls4Gurlz]

Inflammatory title is misleading.

The rest of this thread delivers.

[tom10]

I am far from an expert on westside training, but I was reading an article from westside-barbell.com by Louie that had something to do with this.

Louie said speed training is not optimal for strength gains (obviously), but he incorporated it because at one point in his career he could not handle two ME lifts per week per movement ie couldn't max out on two squat/dead movements in a week. Prilipen found the least amount of progress was found in lifters who used lighter weights weights relative to their 1RM (again, obviously), but they still made some progress. So, I would assume his thought process was that doing something (aka speed work which is easier on the nervous system) rather than just waiting for the next ME day the following week would produce better results.

[dizalwizal]

right , how you gonna have speed when the bar is heavy as **** ?

[isaku900]

right , how you gonna have speed when the bar is heavy as **** ?

stop bumping old ass threads.

the answer is, you train for it.

[austin.j.taylor]

stop bumping old ass threads.

the answer is, you train for it.

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I had fogot how lulzy this thread got.

[HamburgerTrain]

Speed work is so 2011.

[UHCougar05]

right , how you gonna have speed when the bar is heavy as **** ?

I guess you'll never know.

[stenzinator]

LOL at bottom of the barrow.

[.aeterna]

IN SUMMATION, PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ADJUST A WELL WRITTEN, PRE-MADE TEMPLATE SUCH AS SHEIKO WHEN THEY DONT YET HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROPERLY REGULATE VOLUME. LEARNING TO REGULATE YOUR TRAINING VOLUME CAN TAKE YEARS TO BECOME ADEPT. THAT BEING SAID, ANYONE CAN MAKE PROGRESS FROM AN "ADVANCED PROGRAM" IF IT IS TAILORED TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ABILITIES AND NEEDS. THAT'S WHY WESTSIDE IS CONSIDERED AN "ADVANCED" PROGRAM, YET A NEW LIFTER CAN MAKE GREAT PROGRESS IF SOMEONE ELSE IS DICTATING VOLUME, SETS, ETC.

THIS THREAD HAS EXHIBITED A BOY WHO WATCHES TOO MUCH CNN AND THINKS HE CAN MODIFY A PROGRAM WRITTEN BY BORIS F*CKING GREAT SOVIET SHEIKO DESPITE HIS VERY LIMITED EXPERIENCE (IF ANY) IN PROGRAMMING A WELL MADE TRAINING REGIMINE. MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO TURN OFF THE MONITOR, STOP BEING CONCERNED WITH "TRAINING THEORY" THAT YOU CAN'T YET IMPLEMENT CORRECTLY, AND JUST WORK YOUR ASS OFF. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE SWOLE JACKED DUDE IN THE ANIMAL ADS HAS A MASTERS IN KINSEOLOGY? **** NO, HE IS SOME DEADBEAT WAREHOUSE WORKER MAKING $11 AN HOUR BUT AT LEAST HE GIVES A DAMN WHEN IT MATTERS IN THE GYM! GO LIFT OR GET ****ED!

- Musclebear

Lmao, great post. Strong bump.

[bmontgomery87]

I honestly feel like speed pulls helped my deads.

If speed work sucked, Westside wouldn't do it / 10