Hi fellas,
I have been working out for 9 months. Recently I feel my progress is not as good as the first days and I am thinking of starting to take Creatine. ( I am taking whey proteine at the moment)
1- Is Creatine Nitrate as harmless as Creatine Mono?
2- Some people say Creatine Nitrate has better effect than Creatine Mono. Is that correct? I don't mind the price difference if the Nitrate one is better than Mono.
Any idea would be appreciated.
Cheers
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Thread: Creatine Nitrate, any good?
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06-24-2010, 04:25 AM #1
Creatine Nitrate, any good?
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06-24-2010, 04:36 AM #2
1- Yes, it is safe to use however if you dose nitrates too high you will get headaches. You may get these at first before you build up more of a tolerance to it, if you do I suggest using some caffeine because in my experience it complely gets rid of the nitrate headaches.
2- It is by far the best form of creatine I have used. Pumps are insane and eliminates the need for any type of preworkout product for pumps. Strength gains were also nice.
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06-24-2010, 04:42 AM #3
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06-24-2010, 04:49 AM #4
According to NOHYPE, if you are going to use creatine nitrate you should also supplement with the antioxidants Vitamin C and NAC, as they help to remove free radicals as well as decrease nitrate tolerance. As such, the best product using creatine nitrate is C-bol as it is the only one containing those to antioxidants.
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06-24-2010, 06:01 AM #5
From what I've read it may not completely reverse tolerance and some studies have suggested it just enhances nitrate effects. The very few studies I have seen have used pretty high doses and the NAC was administered intravenously. From what I've ready NAC taken orally has poor absorption so high doses would be required.
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06-24-2010, 06:24 AM #6
What have you been reading? Cite the studies in which you speak of, as oral NAC and vitamin c are clinically effective in preventing nitrate tolerance. One primary mechanism of action is that they [effectively] prevent decrements in GSH pools which are necessary for the bioconversion of organic nitrates. And no, oral NAC does not aquire poor oral availability, nor does it have to be intravenously administered.
Last edited by NO HYPE; 06-24-2010 at 06:50 AM.
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06-24-2010, 06:32 AM #7
Creatine nitrate is [by far] the best creatine I've used thus far however, the anticipation of the release of Pump-BOL is driving me insane, as I cannot wait to utilize it with C-BOL.
Creatine monohydrate does not compare to creatine nitrate whatsoever. There are simply more physiological benefits to creatine nitrate.~
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06-24-2010, 06:32 AM #8
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06-24-2010, 06:37 AM #9
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06-24-2010, 06:41 AM #11
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06-24-2010, 06:41 AM #12
Don't nitrates generally constrict oxygen in the blood??? I'm sure this form of creatine is pretty revolutionary but someone please explain this concept. Honest question here, don't flame me all you chem wiz's out there!
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06-24-2010, 06:45 AM #13
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06-24-2010, 06:47 AM #15
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06-24-2010, 06:47 AM #16
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06-24-2010, 06:50 AM #17
whatever its always good to start with the basics and move up from there. thats like telling someone to use superdrol or m1t for their first ph/ds. honestly the few times that i tried c-bol i didnt notice anything different,
and i dont give a **** if he doesnt care about money. i always tell people the best and cheapest choice which is creapure by far.
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06-24-2010, 06:59 AM #18
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06-24-2010, 07:04 AM #19
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Vitamin C is a good addition since it may retard the production of nitrosamine production in the gut.
...nitrosamines can form in the gastric juice of the human stomach. This is commonly referred to as endogenous nitrosation. Bacteria in the mouth chemically reduce nitrate, which is prevalent in many vegetables, to nitrite, which in turn can form nitrosating agents. Many foods contain amines that can react with nitrosating agents in the acidic stomach to form nitrosamines. While it has been demonstrated that ascorbic acid can reduce nitrosation in the stomach, more research will be required for a fuller understanding of endogenous nitrosation and its ramifications for health and disease.
Nitrite readily produces nitrosamines by reaction with secondary amines at gastric pH
Because nitrate is reduced to nitrite by oral and gastric bacteria (Ralt &
Tannenbaum, 1981) the dietary intake of both is relevant to gastric nitrosation.
Nitrosamines are excreted partially in urine and exhaled
in air. Remaining nitrosamines are degraded to carbon
dioxide by active intermediates [14]. Active intermediates
are very important from the toxicological point of view as
many of them have carcinogenic activity.
Nitrosamines & gastric cancer w/ atrophic gastritis: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...65528209181060
Chemistry of ascorbic acid & nitrosamine production: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/53/1/247S.pdf
Nitrosamines and cancer:
http://journals.lww.com/eurjcancerpr...er_risk.5.aspx
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06-24-2010, 07:06 AM #20
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06-24-2010, 07:07 AM #21
This was never implied. How does the statement "he can recieve better results from creatine nitrate" imply that the physiological effects of creatine itself will be altered? I am well aware of the fact that intramuscular PCr concentrations will be identical however, nitrates will elicit enhanced vasodilatory mechanisms.
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06-24-2010, 07:11 AM #22
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The nitrate moiety has physiological effects that are unrelated to the effects of creatine. If it somehow enhanced intracellular storage, or increased phosphate donation, then it would be considered better than regular creatine. It doesn't.
If it was an ester then one could make the argument that the combination would effect the pharmacokinetics of creatine, but it's not; creatine nitrate is a salt and readily dissociates upon ingestion - as if they were two compounds ingested separately (an additive effect).twitter: @bullexinferis
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06-24-2010, 07:13 AM #23
Again, I am well aware of the fact that the physiological effects of creatine itself will be not be altered, and intramuscular PCr concentrations will be identical however, nitrates will elicit enhanced vasodilatory mechanisms. Does this not result in enhanced physiological benefits as I first stated?
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06-24-2010, 07:16 AM #24
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The two have never been tested head-to-head so it's only a guess on your part that creatine nitrate would be better than creatine mono.
Creatine-citrate was tested against creatine mono and shown to be inferior, so combining two seemingly benefical compounds together doesn't necessarily equate to a synergistic, or even additive, conclusion.twitter: @bullexinferis
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06-24-2010, 07:16 AM #25
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06-24-2010, 07:19 AM #26
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06-24-2010, 07:25 AM #28
Could one of you brilliant minds take a short break and attempt to answer my question above? You both seem very competent on the topic.
Again, dont nitrates generally constrict oxygen in the blood stream?Rolling back to the basics after making all the rookie mistakes in the past. On the road back to 230lbs clean with minimal supps & proper focus on diet and form.
~Strength-Determination-Merciless-Forever~
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