Hey Guys,
I have a friend who keeps telling me that you cant gain muscle while losing weight and I keep telling him i am gaining muscle and i am losing weight... He still wont listen to me and tries to make it a competition between him and me. Its getting annoying and i want some peace of mind from someone who actually knows... Im quite happy if you prove me wrong aswell but you have to PROVE IT!!
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07-14-2009, 08:19 PM #1
Is it true that you can't gain muscle while losing weight?
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07-14-2009, 08:21 PM #2
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u cant unless u have really goood genes
qoute "Question: Can I lose fat and gain muscle at the same time?
Answer: Unfortunately, losing fat and gaining muscle are conflicting goals. Building muscle requires eating more calories than you burn while losing fat requires eating less calories than you burn. When you're trying to lose fat and reducing calories, you won't be taking in the number of calories your muscles would need to grow larger.
That isn't to say that if you lose fat, you have to lose muscle too or that you can't get stronger while trying to lose weight. If you follow a balanced program that includes cardio, strength training and flexibility and make sure you're getting adequate protein, you're on the right track.
When it comes to setting your goals, you can either choose to gain muscle or to lose fat. You could even split your goals goals into different phases--a fat-loss phase (in which you also preserve muscle mass) and a muscle-building phase. But, what you can't do is go after muscle-building and fat loss all at the same time. Learn more about building muscle and fat loss. " end qoute
btw its only possible for noob gains it can only get u so far
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07-14-2009, 08:23 PM #3
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07-14-2009, 08:26 PM #4
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07-14-2009, 08:31 PM #5
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07-14-2009, 08:32 PM #6
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07-14-2009, 09:25 PM #7
I am doing it. To win the bet you will need to do body measurements. You will also need a BF% tool. He will most likley go by scale weight and won't understand staying the same weight is loosing fat and gaining muscle.
Pick up the latest muscle & fit mag from Vshoppe. One of the girls in there gained scale weight but lost 4" on her waist and gained 2" on her back. Yeah, I would call that fat loss and muscle gain.
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07-14-2009, 09:31 PM #8
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07-14-2009, 10:54 PM #9
If anyone asks the question that OP did, the answer is Yes, No and Depends.
It is impossible to gain muscle and lose weight at the exact moment in time......I'll say it one more time.....the EXACT moment in time, due to the laws of thermodynamics, but it is possible to do so over a period of weeks, months and years. Essentially, you are losing weight at some points and gaining mass at other points, over the course of time.
The law of thermodynamics that applies here in layman's terms is that you can't create something from nothing (something being muscle and nothing meaning a deficit of calories).
It is very hard to find the correct balance in diet and training, but I and others have been able to do it over the course of time. Some call it culking (combination of cutting and bulking). You can achieve this easily by doing calorie cycling, where you eat 500 cals or so over your maintenance for 3-4 days and then eat 500 cals or so under your maintenance for 3-4 days, in addition to weight training. Or you can do it by accident, by overeating at key moments where muscle is created, while eating low enough at other moments to lose weight in a deficit.My Will Is Hot Molten Lava
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07-14-2009, 11:15 PM #10
I think the act of building muscle helps facilitate the burning of fat. The more exercise you do and more weights you lift will eventually the leave the body a choice of whether to burn fat or muscle. It would most always love to burn fat first, but if you don't watch your diet closely, it will breakdown your muscle and use protein for fuel.
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07-14-2009, 11:16 PM #11
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07-14-2009, 11:19 PM #12
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07-14-2009, 11:20 PM #13
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I have never seen anyone who is really muscular get it by losing fat,they do one or the other no one ever got huge arms and massive shoulders on a diet
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07-15-2009, 12:37 AM #14
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07-15-2009, 03:26 AM #15
Someone that has low body fat to begin with and is trying to build muscle and lose fat will tell you it isn't possible, which for the most part it isn't. People that might be classified as skinny fat or have damaged BMR's and haven't workout in their life, then it can happen...........newbie gains.
Last edited by baarat; 07-15-2009 at 03:36 AM.
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07-15-2009, 03:47 AM #16
hmmm.. as tj said it contradicts eachother.. cutting requires under calorie deficit and vice versa for bulking..
if your a noob and just begin hitting the weights u can do both... but after 6 months or so the muscle building progress slows down.. thats known as noob gains..
unless you cycle your calories awesomely you can slowly lose fat while very very very slowly gain muscle...
go have a look at pictures of pros when they are in their off seasonkaa maa haaa maaa HAAAAA!!!!!!
Is this real life??
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07-15-2009, 03:56 AM #17
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07-15-2009, 06:06 PM #18
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07-15-2009, 06:30 PM #19
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07-15-2009, 07:59 PM #20
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07-15-2009, 08:09 PM #21
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07-15-2009, 09:28 PM #22
Well put it this way..
A bodybuilder friend of mine uses a low carb diet daily with 1 day a week where he binges himself, eating ANYTHING, and as much of it as he wants.
He's big, and lean.
He gave me the advice that the low carb diet will see good muscle gains as long as you keep your protein intake to 2 grams per kilogram of lean body-weight.
And I have every reason to take his word with the results he has.
BUT. If you're a naturally skinny guy, chances are this won't work, but then again, why would you want to slim down when you don't have to?..Last edited by want2gainmuscle; 07-15-2009 at 09:30 PM.
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07-15-2009, 10:45 PM #23
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07-15-2009, 10:52 PM #24
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07-15-2009, 10:55 PM #25
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07-15-2009, 11:02 PM #26
hey troll
Gain muscle = calorie surplus
Lose weight = calorie deficit
Tell me the problem here
Body recomps...short periods of surplus and deficits take the longest time to achieve and your better off either cutting or bulking.
Good source considering anyone can post an article from that site...might as well have posted a wiki article.Last edited by LiftHeavy85; 07-15-2009 at 11:04 PM.
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07-15-2009, 11:16 PM #27
IMO (and its only my opinion and what Iv seen) you can in the very beginning of your training. When I started ~2years ago I went from a fat, flabby undertrained 73kg's to the same weight, but a lot more muscley, slimmer and stronger in about 4-5 months.
Call it bro science or whatever you want, but its what I have experienced.Official Rugby training thread: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107034291
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07-15-2009, 11:35 PM #28
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