Why use Caesin Protein powder?

[MuscleMike15]

Ive heard a lot about Caesin Protein and stuff but like why use it?

is it for people with really fast metabolisms?

cause i do not have a very fast metabolism and i was just wondering if i should use it

I heard that when u take Caesin before bed it keeps ur body anabolic and stuff instead of eating ur muscle but my metabolism stinks and i dont know if i should be taking caesin protein.

Is it just for people with fast metabolisms or could i use it?

Thanks in advance

[Neopragmatist]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/protein5.htm

[MuscleMike15]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/protein5.htm

thanks but idk if i should take it, because i dont have that problem at night where i go to sleep and wake up hungry as heck,

My metabolism is slow and i dont think my body is going to eat my muscle overnight.

Is it still good to take if my metabolism is slow?

[theone787]

thanks but idk if i should take it, because i dont have that problem at night where i go to sleep and wake up hungry as heck,

My metabolism is slow and i dont think my body is going to eat my muscle overnight.

Is it still good to take if my metabolism is slow?

metabolism has nothing to do with it. it digests very slowly and will feed your body's muscle throughout the night leaving you in a more "anabolic" state. muscle breaks down as you sleep due to the fact that you're not getting any nourishment. so, it would only make sense to take in a slow-release casein before bed to prevent muscle breakdown from happening

[lonewolf0420]

metabolism has nothing to do with it. it digests very slowly and will feed your body's muscle throughout the night leaving you in a more "anabolic" state. muscle breaks down as you sleep due to the fact that you're not getting any nourishment. so, it would only make sense to take in a slow-release casein before bed to prevent muscle breakdown from happening

well said.

[Waxesponge49]

metabolism has nothing to do with it. it digests very slowly and will feed your body's muscle throughout the night leaving you in a more "anabolic" state. muscle breaks down as you sleep due to the fact that you're not getting any nourishment. so, it would only make sense to take in a slow-release casein before bed to prevent muscle breakdown from happening

Wait I thought muscle repair takes place while in sleep mode. Your telling me the body eats muscle and repairs it at the same time? Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying. Would muscle repair completely cease if no nourishment is given to the body during sleep mode. I thought it would still repair.

[rhizome]

metabolism has nothing to do with it. it digests very slowly and will feed your body's muscle throughout the night leaving you in a more "anabolic" state. muscle breaks down as you sleep due to the fact that you're not getting any nourishment. so, it would only make sense to take in a slow-release casein before bed to prevent muscle breakdown from happening

Absolute BS. Your body doesn't eat away at itself overnight. Unless you are hibernating, you have plenty of liver glyocogen to take care of business. This broscience, nonsense, and parroting really needs to stop here.

You're a parrot. SQUAWK!

[theone787]

Wait I thought muscle repair takes place while in sleep mode. Your telling me the body eats muscle and repairs it at the same time? Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying.

The fact that you're not getting any nourishment during sleep does attribute to muscle breakdown

[rhizome]

Wait I thought muscle repair takes place while in sleep mode. Your telling me the body eats muscle and repairs it at the same time? Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying. Would muscle repair completely cease if no nourishment is given to the body during sleep mode. I thought it would still repair.

Thankfully you don't speak bird talk.

[rhizome]

The fact that you're not getting any nourishment during sleep does attribute to muscle breakdown

SHOW ME THE DATA!

[LactoseTolerant]

Your telling me the body eats muscle and repairs it at the same time?

That's exactly what happens. All your tissues are continually being broken down and rebuilt. What ultimately matters is the degree with which each is occurring.

[Neopragmatist]

Absolute BS. You're body doesn't eat away at itself overnight. This broscience, nonsense, and parroting really needs to stop here.

Exactly. Don't feel the need to eat before bed for the fear of losing muscle/catabolism. I'm surprised the supplement industry hasn't yet taken advantage of/sensationalized post-wake nutrition--"if you don't use our product right after you wake up, you catabolize, brah!"

[theone787]

We're all entitled to our own opinions thankfully.

[MuscleMike15]

so yes or no for caesin?

[theone787]

so yes or no for caesin?

I say yes. You're only going to benefit from it

[Neopragmatist]

Catabolism is that frightful thing you see when you take your eyes off your goal.

-Henry Ford

[Waxesponge49]

Thankfully you don't speak bird talk.

Yeah I've been on this board too long LOL.

The idea that eating something or drinking a shake before you go to bed is ABSOLUTELY necessary or else your body is going to eat it's muscle instead of repairing it sounds a little ridiculous to me. Granted it can't hurt by any means and I actually HAVE to eat something before I go to bed or else I can't sleep for some reason.

[theone787]

Yeah I've been on this board too long LOL.

The idea that eating something or drinking a shake before you go to bed is ABSOLUTELY necessary or else your body is going to eat it's muscle instead of repairing it sounds a little ridiculous to me. Granted it can't hurt by any means and I actually HAVE to eat something before I go to bed or else I can't sleep for some reason.

completely agree...there's no reason not to do it

[~Hades~]

So the elephant in the room is telling me to ask this question: What makes the body eat the muscle during sleep as a opposed to eating the fat?

I'm guessing the muscle gives the body more energy but that doesnt seem like a very good answer.

[Waxesponge49]

So the elephant in the room is telling me to ask this question: What makes the body eat the muscle during sleep as a opposed to eating the fat?

I'm guessing the muscle gives the body more energy but that doesnt seem like a very good answer.

Actually fat has more potential energy than muscle per gram at least.

Fat = 9 cals per g
protein = 4 cals per g
carbs = 4 cals per g
Alcohol = 7 cals per g

I think the body may feed on both. I dont know about sleep hours I'm talking in general.

[odinlives]

I say yes to casein. Whether it helps me build while I sleep I don't know. I know I sleep alot better the nights I take it before bed and that I'm not waking up with an acid filled stomach. I guess it just depends on each person. I was wondering the same thing at first so I bought a 2 pounder to try it out and now I just bought a 4 pounder. I like it.

[UNCnate]

Use it if you can afford it.

I like some about an hour before bed. I wake up and Im not starving like I am without it.

If you cant afford it, some milk and cottage cheese should suffice.

[Neopragmatist]

completely agree...there's no reason not to do it

No one is disputing the fact that extra protein/casein before bed can be beneficial. However, much like the science of PWO/glycogen depletion, facts become distorted and regurgitated falsely. If you want to use casein before bed, go ahead--it's absolutely fine. But don't go around preaching false ideas and putting fears into people with a fairytale you heard at your local gym--rather, provide us credible scientific data. And make sure that data applies to us (the majority) and not the test subjects who were severely depleted/fasted.

[theone787]

No one is disputing the fact that extra protein/casein before bed can be beneficial. However, much like the science of PWO/glycogen depletion, facts become distorted and regurgitated falsely. If you want to use casein before bed, go ahead--it's absolutely fine. But don't go around preaching false ideas and putting fears into people with a fairytale you heard at your local gym--rather, provide us credible scientific data. And make sure that data applies to us (the majority) and not the test subjects who were severely depleted/fasted.

lol chill out son...

everything i said was my own opinion which is usually why i end most of my sentences with 'imo.' Have you given us any scientific evidence to prove your point?? i don't think you have so don't be hypocritical

[Neopragmatist]

lol chill out son...

everything i said was my own opinion which is usually why i end most of my sentences with 'imo.' Have you given us any scientific evidence to prove your point?? i don't think you have so don't be hypocritical

None of your statements above stated "imo". If you want evidence, do your own homework and enlighten yourself. This issue has been discussed before and I'm not wasting my time with your ignorance.

Make sure to eat every 96 minutes with ample protein (no less than 2.5g/lbs everyday) and add 60g of waxy maize + 20g of glutamine or else you'll catabolize. IMO.

[theone787]

None of your statements above stated "imo". If you want evidence, do your own homework and enlighten yourself. This issue has been discussed before and I'm not wasting my time with your ignorance.

Make sure to eat every 96 minutes with ample protein (no less than 2.5g/lbs everyday) and add 60g of waxy maize + 20g of glutamine or else you'll catabolize. IMO.

that time of the month for you bro?? Screw you if you think i'm being ignorant. Like i said, before you talk ****, prove your point first before trying to make me look like an idiot. i came in this thread to give this kid my advice and what i would do, not for you to come in and cry about what i'm saying.

[Neopragmatist]

that time of the month for you bro?? Screw you if you think i'm being ignorant. Like i said, before you talk ****, prove your point first before trying to make me look like an idiot. i came in this thread to give this kid my advice and what i would do, not for you to come in and cry about what i'm saying.

^^^Ignorance.



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U MAD?

[theone787]

^^^Ignorance.



oh and...




























U MAD?

hahahahah, i'm just not even gonna say anything cause you're making an ass out of yourself for me.

[LactoseTolerant]

So the elephant in the room is telling me to ask this question: What makes the body eat the muscle during sleep as a opposed to eating the fat?

I'm guessing the muscle gives the body more energy but that doesnt seem like a very good answer.

Burning muscle as opposed to fat does two thing; 1) it provides energy and 2) it reduces energy expenditure. The big picture is more complicated than that but this is something to consider.

[LactoseTolerant]

Actually fat has more potential energy than muscle per gram at least.

Fat = 9 cals per g
protein = 4 cals per g
carbs = 4 cals per g
Alcohol = 7 cals per g

I think the body may feed on both. I dont know about sleep hours I'm talking in general.

If you get into the thermodynamics, it's easier to initiate oxidation of protein and carbs than it is for fat.