Drug laws

[KRANE]

Drug Addicts don't belong in prisons they belong in rehabilitation and what really hurts your tax dollars is these fat asses claiming the its inhumane to execute them when they chopped up a twelve year old girl and keep getting appeal after appeal which cost millions of dollars

Actually, an ouce of prevention, is worth a pound of cure.

Remember, drugs aren't the problem, they are the cure.

[eehee]

damn this thread makes me want to get high.

[Lager1]

damn this thread makes me want to get high.

weed, blow, pills

[Eshamed51]

I agree that might happen in some instances in some places. It's a lot of paperwork that they don't feel like doing.

But many people DO hard time for marijuana possession.


This is a serious problem. When nearly a million people are arrested every year for marijuana offenses, there is a huge problem.

Not only that but with the parole/probation system. Many, many people do years in prison for simple marijuana possesion if they are on probation/parole for a serious crime. Also failing a drug test for marijuana is one of the most common reasons people are in jail for violation of probation and judges do not take it as a joke. They will give you your full sentence for simply failing the drug test. Marijuana stays in your system the longest out of any drug thats being tested for. So its possible and ive seen it happen people getting anywhere from 5-10 years in prison for that marijuana possesion/failed drug test for marijuana while on probation/parole.

[RIKTER]

I agree that might happen in some instances in some places. It's a lot of paperwork that they don't feel like doing.

But many people DO hard time for marijuana possession.


This is a serious problem. When nearly a million people are arrested every year for marijuana offenses, there is a huge problem.

As you say, a million people were arrested for weed last year, and you also said "many" people do hard time, what 5-6 hundred thousand people in jail for lengthy sentences?? Of course not, so in reality a FEW do hard time and most of those have along list of priors and had enough weed to be charged with intent to sell or are in violations of their paroll, etc. If a million were arrested i would guess(yes guess, no hard numbers) that 3 million were given warnings and never saw the back of the squad car no less.

[Lager1]

As you say, a million people were arrested for weed last year, and you also said "many" people do hard time, what 5-6 hundred thousand people in jail for lengthy sentences?? Of course not, so in reality a FEW do hard time and most of those have along list of priors and had enough weed to be charged with intent to sell or are in violations of their paroll, etc. If a million were arrested i would guess(yes guess, no hard numbers) that 3 million were given warnings and never saw the back of the squad car no less.

It doesn't matter how many people were given warnings.

We know that nearly a million people were arrested. Even if some of them didn't see hard time, those people needed to be processed through the system and it all takes time and money.

Many people DO get hard time for these offenses. So it IS a problem, that's a fact.

[RIKTER]

It doesn't matter how many people were given warnings.

We know that nearly a million people were arrested. Even if some of them didn't see hard time, those people needed to be processed through the system and it all takes time and money.

Many people DO get hard time for these offenses. So it IS a problem, that's a fact.

First of all,it does matter how many people were given warnings as thats directly related to how serious those in charge take the crime to be. What is your definition of "many"? and how many of those are first time offenders with no priors doing hard jail time who were only caught with enough weed for their personal use?? Im assuming by you still claiming that "many" will see hard jail time that must mean out of a milion arrested for weed last year 5-6 hundred thousand saw hard jail time...again, of course not. Weed is like speeding in your car, you get caught, you pay a fine..unless its the 10 time or your going 150 in a 35.

[matcoon]

First of all,it does matter how many people were given warnings as thats directly related to how serious those in charge take the crime to be. What is your definition of "many"? and how many of those are first time offenders with no priors doing hard jail time who were only caught with enough weed for their personal use?? Im assuming by you still claiming that "many" will see hard jail time that must mean out of a milion arrested for weed last year 5-6 hundred thousand saw hard jail time...again, of course not. Weed is like speeding in your car, you get caught, you pay a fine..unless its the 10 time or your going 150 in a 35.

WTF does it matter how many go to jail for weed? If there are any, even a few, that is already to many. Possesion of weed is NOT a crime other than it is defined that way. You can disagree but it doesn't make you right, i don't care what anyone thinks, their wrong. If you disagree tell me why i'm wrong. It's not why should weed be legal, its why the f*ck should it be illegal in the first place.

This is how it works for most people. Why is weed bad? Because its a crime. Why is it a crime? Because its bad.

Again WTF. This is the reason people think this way. HOW can you say well only a small amount get in trouble so oh well? F*ck that. I am sick that people think that way, it is discusting. I hope people that think this way get in trouble for some bs thing and find out how it feels. The people who think that way only do because they don't have to worry about every getting in trouble. Oh some people get in trouble for it? Oh well, won't happen to me so i don't care haha.

I don't know if people read my other post i don't seem to get much acknowledgement around here but its not just oh well some people do hard time. Your also saying, oh well some people now have a criminal record that affects the rest of their life, and that is messed up.

I would rather have guilty people go free than even a few inocent people be wrongfully punished.

[anonymous]

Decriminalize it, make trafficking in large amounts a crime.. or be stricter on any crime committed under the influence (includes drinking and driving) or some junky piece of **** stealing your DVD player. As it is now being 'addicted' is actually a mitigating factor in some cases!

Not that I care much about rec drugs as I stopped using any years ago.. but I wish politicans weren't so keen to witch-hunt AAS. hopefully with the economic collapse that will take a back seat

[GettinRipped07]

Do you really think if we legalize hard drugs that people are going to automatically jump on the band wagon? Would you? Of course not because you know that risks and have good judgement. If it were legal and regulated, it would be very hard for minors to come into posession. Only adults 18+ or 21+ could be able to buy it like alcohol. Alcohol is by far the hardest drug to buy on the street when you are underage, because it is tightly regulated. Have warnings on the packages of the drugs like alcohol and tobacco.

In places were drug use is legal, the rate of useage and overdose went down dramastically after they became legal. It takes a lot out of using them when people try to rebel. Even in europe and holland when marijuana became decriminalized/legalized, the use of hard drugs even went down.

Proper education when you are young is what we need to be providing to our youth.

And may I remind everyone that hundreds of studies have proven that driving while high on marijuana, on any amount, is not even equal to the amount of reckless driving and accidents where people have a BAC of .08%?!!? These studies conclude that marijuana does not impair your driving anymore than smoking a cigarette does. If you are truly a smoker then you would know burn rides on backroads with good tunes are some of the best things in life. It all depends on the person, if you don't feel safe to drive then don't. Most people I know are better driver's when they are stoned because they concentrate more on the road, drive SLOWER and more CAUTIOUSLY, and obey more LAWS. This has been proven in the studies. You react better because you are driving slower and paying attention, much less road rage.

[SilverSpork]

That's it, if drugs are legalized, I'm going to sell my house, all my clothes, buy enough bread to make 50lbs of toast, throw a massive crack party and have rabid sex with homeless people.

Well....that's what would happen according to some in here.

[KRANE]

Not that I care much about rec drugs as I stopped using any years ago.. but I wish politicans weren't so keen to witch-hunt AAS. hopefully with the economic collapse that will take a back seat

On the contrary, there's always an opportunity to show the people you're doing something by making a quick example of incarcerating those nefarious drug people.

It's not why should weed be legal, its why the f*ck should it be illegal in the first place.

It seems incredible doesn't it? But people just don't seem to get it. They're uneducated about the history of their country and it's struggles. What's worse, they are unaware of the foundation of the meaning of it's constitution.

The masses are just to content to sit back and let some old fat politician dictate to them how they should live their lives. This was NEVER the way things was meant to be.

[OatsandSteak]

Cops say legalize that ****:

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Other than the brilliant argument that everyone will start smoking crack if drugs are legalized I can't think of any logical reason why drugs are illegal.

[72cutlass]

i'd like to see the amount of money 1 ounce of marijuana would generate if say x% tax were put on it versus the amount of money it takes to process incarcerate and otherwise deal with finding someone in possession of 1 ounce

[OatsandSteak]

Cops, politicians and people who teach the effects of drugs say it should all be legalized.

[OatsandSteak]

[matcoon]

For anyone that uses the argument more people will use drugs, more people will get addicted, more crime, ect. I don't agree but even if true is it worth your freedom?

Check out this video, he talks about guns mostly but also about drugs, and the gun stuff can be applied to drugs and their legalization.

[KRANE]

Cops, politicians and people who teach the effects of drugs say it should all be legalized.

Excellent brah, was that ever aired on tv; and is the drug problem the same in Canada?

[matcoon]

Cops say legalize that ****:

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Other than the brilliant argument that everyone will start smoking crack if drugs are legalized I can't think of any logical reason why drugs are illegal.

Yeah i saw these videos before and was thinking about posting them. People need to listen to reason. Stop listen to the d*mn government who is making money by keeping them illegal.

I saw a video where a cop (or former cop) said he used to jail people for a joint and at the time thought he was doing the right thing but now knows he was doing something very injust. I would feel so bad if i was responsible for people going to jail for something none criminal like that.

Thats why i hate cops, even though some are not to bad. I hate people that will enforce something so incredible wrong.

[OatsandSteak]

Excellent brah, was that ever aired on tv; and is the drug problem the same in Canada?

People would like to believe drugs aren't a problem here but they are. I have quite a few friends that are dealers and I'm getting the first hand realization of what illegality does.
We have less people in prisons of course, way less than the States but 1 person unjustly in jail over a drug charge is too many.

[KRANE]

Thats why i hate cops, even though some are not to bad. I hate people that will enforce something so incredible wrong.

Don't hate the cops--it's the "system" that is the foundation of this problem. In that, we're ALL a part of it.

[Lager1]

i'd like to see the amount of money 1 ounce of marijuana would generate if say x% tax were put on it versus the amount of money it takes to process incarcerate and otherwise deal with finding someone in possession of 1 ounce

But you gotta understand, the money it takes to process and incarcerate people PAYS PEOPLE'S SALARIES. When you have nearly 1 million people per year being arrested for marijuana offenses, you have a HUGE CUSTOMER BASE for the corrections industry. The customers are the "criminal", and they are paid for at the taxpayer's expense.

If we would legalize marijuana, it would kind of be like if we stopped using gasoline for cars.

[Pay_Me]

Yeah i saw these videos before and was thinking about posting them. People need to listen to reason. Stop listen to the d*mn government who is making money by keeping them illegal.

I think it's even bigger than making overall government money. Even though municipalities get fine revenue off of it.

Look at how much money the pharmaceutical industry spends a year on lobbying. So individual politicians make bank off of it.

If marijuana is legal and has already repeatedly been documented to help with a range of medical issues. Who's going to buy our expensive ass pills that we claim to do same thing, yet have a host of side effects?!?!?

[Lager1]

I think even bigger than making overall government making money. Even though municipalities get fine revenue off of it.

Look at how much money the pharmaceutical industry spends a year on lobbying. So individual politicians make bank off of it.

If marijuana is legal and has already repeatedly been documented to help with a range of medical issues. Who's going to buy our expensive ass pills that we claim to do same thing, yet have a host of side effects?!?!?

I honestly wonder if it will ever be legalized...I mean, it's been 70 years...maybe in my lifetime.

But until then, I'm continuing to smoke to my hearts content.

[OatsandSteak]

But you gotta understand, the money it takes to process and incarcerate people PAYS PEOPLE'S SALARIES. When you have nearly 1 million people per year being arrested for marijuana offenses, you have a HUGE CUSTOMER BASE for the corrections industry. The customers are the "criminal", and they are paid for at the taxpayer's expense.

If we would legalize marijuana, it would kind of be like if we stopped using gasoline for cars.

Money would be made/lost in both scenarios. People like lawyers and law clerks would lose cases if drugs were legalized but with legalization there would be money and jobs added to the economy anyway.

Nevermind, I see where you were going with your post.

[Eshamed51]

Weed is like speeding in your car, you get caught, you pay a fine..unless its the 10 time or your going 150 in a 35.

I know for a fact here (ive gone to jail for marijuana Possession) for a first time offender you will go to jail most if not all of the time. Ive never gotten a ticket nor as anyone i know. They offer you 6 months drug offender misdemeanor probation or up to 364 days in county jail. Usually a month or less for the first couple times. If you take the jail time your drivers license is suspended for 2 years. So you may think its some joke but spending time in jail and losing your license for a natural plant is pretty crazy to me. If you take the probation you have to pay them money every month, court costs, and a drug test every month till your done. Also if you screw up the probation your going back to jail. Most of the country other then states like california and denver is like this.

[OatsandSteak]

When I get into detail while talking to people about legalization they overwhelmingly agree with me but when I just say something as innocent as "weed should be legalized", the support isn't there.

It's hard to get the support from people when you don't give a full detailed explanation on why legalization is a good idea. So I can understand why politicians who are for legalization get shunned because they are usually not in the public eye and don't have enough media coverage to make their case.

[matcoon]

I honestly wonder if it will ever be legalized...I mean, it's been 70 years...maybe in my lifetime.

But until then, I'm continuing to smoke to my hearts content.

Unfortunatly i don't think it will ever be legalized if it hasn't already been legalized. I've heard someone say if its not legalized in 5 years from now then i have no hope. But I could have said the 5 years ago, 10 years ago and so on.

Think about our parents, that generation was brought up toking all the time and nothing has changed, so i don't think it ever will.

I also don't think it will change because of the economic problems, our system might actually collapse.

Think of how much money is being made by the courts, the police, and prisions...If legalization happened, a lot of people are out of a job. And of course you have the alcohol, tabacoo, pharmisutical, plastic, lumber...companies that won't let it happen either.

Also think about all of the drug dealers who would be poor. Selling drugs illegally is a source of income for a large amount of people. We now have less money coming in from some places and a lot of people out of work.

It's such a sad thought. Guess maybe the only thing to do is take advantage and make some money selling? Might be to risky though.

[OatsandSteak]

What's sad to me is that our only reasoning for remaining in this utter failure of illegality is that people may lose jobs. Personally I don't see anyone losing actual employment other than drug dealers. Lawyers will still prosecute, DEA/ATF officials are still in law enforcement and will have jobs, correctional officers will always have jobs. And the less power the pharmaceutical companies have is perfectly fine with me. **** em.

[HitItHard]

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