TKD question - no longer in ketosis after PWO shake (WMS + whey)

[Herd]

Hi, quick question for the keto pros. Today was my first day in ketosis- tested positive on the stix this morning.

Pre workout I had 1/4 cup almonds and 1/4 cup walnuts (1.5 hrs before) and 1 scoop NO-Xplode (30 min before). Post workout I had 1 scoop ON whey and 1 scoop WMS. When I got home I tested on the stix again and am no longer in ketosis. Did I do something wrong or is it ok to not be in keto after my pwo shake? My total carbs are low by my calculations and I thought I would remain in keto all day.

Thanks for the help!

[user27629377]

Hi, quick question for the keto pros. Today was my first day in ketosis- tested positive on the stix this morning.

Pre workout I had 1/4 cup almonds and 1/4 cup walnuts (1.5 hrs before) and 1 scoop NO-Xplode (30 min before). Post workout I had 1 scoop ON whey and 1 scoop WMS. When I got home I tested on the stix again and am no longer in ketosis. Did I do something wrong or is it ok to not be in keto after my pwo shake? My total carbs are low by my calculations and I thought I would remain in keto all day.

Thanks for the help!

No Xplode + WMS + ON Whey + Almonds ~40 grams of carbs, not invluding the fiber. Also, it looks as though putting a lot of faith in those stix is not the best of ideas as they are regularly faulty.

[Herd]

No Xplode + WMS + ON Whey + Almonds ~40 grams of carbs, not invluding the fiber. Also, it looks as though putting a lot of faith in those stix is not the best of ideas as they are regularly faulty.

17g carbs pre and 42g post (including fiber) by my calculations. I was under the impression that this was on the low end for TKD.

[user27629377]

Right. I was under the impression that this was on the low end for TKD.

I don't think it takes much to throw you out on your first day to be honest, I probably would have gone a few more days without that many carbs.

[Herd]

I don't think it takes much to throw you out on your first day to be honest, I probably would have gone a few more days without that many carbs.

Ah ok. Ill cut it back for a bit. Thanks.

[ItalWHOP]

Ah ok. Ill cut it back for a bit. Thanks.

Is this your first attempt at a ketogenic diet?

If so, run a standard keto for the first couple of weeks. Then start adding the carbs in. You'll find as your body becomes more 'fat adapted' you can consume more carbs and not be kicked out for that long. I consume anywhere from 30 to 90gs WMS....I do this pre WO, however (personal choice)....

Recently, I have been sticking to 60gs for the most part and having a carb meal or two (refeed) on the weekends. While I may not be in ketosis as often as some would like, the low carb still has a pronounced effect and works very well for me. I don't use ketosticks, but I can tell based off of other symptoms that I am not out of ketosis all that often.

[Herd]

Is this your first attempt at a ketogenic diet?

If so, run a standard keto for the first couple of weeks. Then start adding the carbs in. You'll find as your body becomes more 'fat adapted' you can consume more carbs and not be kicked out for that long. I consume anywhere from 30 to 90gs WMS....I do this pre WO, however (personal choice)....

Recently, I have been sticking to 60gs for the most part and having a carb meal or two (refeed) on the weekends. While I may not be in ketosis as often as some would like, the low carb still has a pronounced effect and works very well for me. I don't use ketosticks, but I can tell based off of other symptoms that I am not out of ketosis all that often.

Yeah, its my first. Thanks for the advice. Ill definitely cut back for a bit.

[taf1968]

17g carbs pre and 42g post (including fiber) by my calculations. I was under the impression that this was on the low end for TKD.

I am closer to 15 - 20g maltodextrin pre & post (combined with whey) on TKD. I think you are better off going lower and increasing if you feel you need it. I will bump that up a little if I am doing a really heavy leg day, but pretty much stick to that.

Also, the stix are helpful to get you "dialed in" to recognizing when you are in/out of ketosis, but don't drive yourself nuts with them. They can be inaccurate and you can be in ketosis and not register on them (based on hydration and other factors). A lot of people will tell you to forget about them--I think they are sorta helpful and still use them, but just keep in mind that they are not anywhere near foolproof.

[taf1968]

Can you drink whey and gatorade pwo?

Some people do use gatorade . . . I know that some even eat Smarties candy (dextrose). I use maltodextrin just because I got some on sale, but others use dextrose or waxymaize (spelling??) as well. There are probably other options too.

[crog77x]

Hi, quick question for the keto pros. Today was my first day in ketosis- tested positive on the stix this morning.

Pre workout I had 1/4 cup almonds and 1/4 cup walnuts (1.5 hrs before) and 1 scoop NO-Xplode (30 min before). Post workout I had 1 scoop ON whey and 1 scoop WMS. When I got home I tested on the stix again and am no longer in ketosis. Did I do something wrong or is it ok to not be in keto after my pwo shake? My total carbs are low by my calculations and I thought I would remain in keto all day.

Thanks for the help!

You need to look up the definition of Ketosis. If you are actually in ketosis, you'd be in the hospital and barely alive. Ketosis pretty much kills everyone. Do some research. But, if you are trying to drop carbs and replace it with protein in attempt to lose weight you are way off. Unsaturated fat and complex carbs are your best bet at losing fat. You can eat a fair amount of protein but don't cut complex carbs or fat, your body needs both! That is why they are called the THREE ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS!! Let me guess, you feel very fatigued all the time and your lifts keep getting reduced? That's because you are low on energy due to poor diet. Keto diets are poor diets indeed.

[StephenAU]

^ what

from what ive read OP, you return to keto state a couple hours after your workout depending on how many carbs you took in.

might be wrong, but thats what i read on every site talking about tkd *shrug*

[jked4life]

You need to look up the definition of Ketosis. If you are actually in ketosis, you'd be in the hospital and barely alive. Ketosis pretty much kills everyone. Do some research. But, if you are trying to drop carbs and replace it with protein in attempt to lose weight you are way off. Unsaturated fat and complex carbs are your best bet at losing fat. You can eat a fair amount of protein but don't cut complex carbs or fat, your body needs both! That is why they are called the THREE ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS!! Let me guess, you feel very fatigued all the time and your lifts keep getting reduced? That's because you are low on energy due to poor diet. Keto diets are poor diets indeed.

Lol, what rock did you pop out from under?

YOU are the one who should probably do some reading my friend.

[heathershubby]

You need to look up the definition of Ketosis. If you are actually in ketosis, you'd be in the hospital and barely alive. Ketosis pretty much kills everyone. Do some research. But, if you are trying to drop carbs and replace it with protein in attempt to lose weight you are way off. Unsaturated fat and complex carbs are your best bet at losing fat. You can eat a fair amount of protein but don't cut complex carbs or fat, your body needs both! That is why they are called the THREE ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS!! Let me guess, you feel very fatigued all the time and your lifts keep getting reduced? That's because you are low on energy due to poor diet. Keto diets are poor diets indeed.

lmao you are mixed up bro

Important Note Ketosis is not the same thing as ketoacidosis, a dangerous condition that can occur in diabetes.

[asto_86]

so we are all supposed to be dead in here??
is that right?
am i dead?
hmm...

[tayphill]

You need to look up the definition of Ketosis. If you are actually in ketosis, you'd be in the hospital and barely alive. Ketosis pretty much kills everyone. Do some research. But, if you are trying to drop carbs and replace it with protein in attempt to lose weight you are way off. Unsaturated fat and complex carbs are your best bet at losing fat. You can eat a fair amount of protein but don't cut complex carbs or fat, your body needs both! That is why they are called the THREE ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS!! Let me guess, you feel very fatigued all the time and your lifts keep getting reduced? That's because you are low on energy due to poor diet. Keto diets are poor diets indeed.

I think you stumbled into the wrong forum...since you don't have a clue about what your talking about...I think you need to do more reading before you use a computer again

[crog77x]

Ketosis...it's something you guys think you're in. You really aren't. Look it up!

[CanuckTank]

17g carbs pre and 42g post (including fiber) by my calculations. I was under the impression that this was on the low end for TKD.

Lay off the WMS. You need to drop out all unneeded carbs. WMS is supposed to kick in an insulin spike which is what you DON'T need during Keto.

Drop out the workout carbs, you won't need them if you eat a proper keto diet.

[jack3d_brah9]

Ketosis...it's something you guys think you're in. You really aren't. Look it up!

You are in the red, your opinion does not matter.
Besides the fact that you are being ignorant.

[robbytjohn]

Hi, quick question for the keto pros. Today was my first day in ketosis- tested positive on the stix this morning.

Pre workout I had 1/4 cup almonds and 1/4 cup walnuts (1.5 hrs before) and 1 scoop NO-Xplode (30 min before). Post workout I had 1 scoop ON whey and 1 scoop WMS. When I got home I tested on the stix again and am no longer in ketosis. Did I do something wrong or is it ok to not be in keto after my pwo shake? My total carbs are low by my calculations and I thought I would remain in keto all day.

Thanks for the help!

it just doesnt matter. at all. keep doing what youre doing. being in ketosis versus out of ketosis doesnt further enhance or hender your fat loss. period.

[NathanTurner]

Ketosis...it's something you guys think you're in. You really aren't. Look it up!

That's one of the most absurd statements I've seen today; then you actually take yourself seriously and tell us to "look it up." I think perhaps you should have even a cursory understanding of dietary ketosis before you're able to tell others to "look it up."

Ketosis is a state of metabolism the body goes through when carbohydrates are restricted to the extent that blood glucose levels are not affected. The body then turns to primarily fat for its main energy instead of carbohydrate/glucose; the liver then takes this fat and produces fatty acids and ketone bodies. The production and use of ketone bodies by your body is a state known as "ketosis." What you're thinking of is "ketoacidosis," which is completely different. This usually occurs in diabetics, and is essentially an excessive buildup of fatty acids in the blood.

Perhaps you should do some research. But since I think your rational faculties are substantially lacking, I'll provide a bit for you to get you started.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis

A few quotes:

"If the diet is changed from a highly glycemic diet to a diet that does not substantially contribute to blood glucose, the body goes through a set of stages to enter ketosis."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ketogenic_diet

"Normally, the carbohydrates in food are converted into glucose, which is then transported around the body and is particularly important in fuelling the brain. However, if there is very little carbohydrate in the diet, the liver converts fat into fatty acids and ketone bodies. The ketone bodies pass into the brain and replace glucose as an energy source. When the body produces ketone bodies, a state known as ketosis..."

http://en.wikipedia.og/wiki/Low-carbohydrate_diet

"Such diets are generally ketogenic diets, i.e. diets that restrict carbohydrate intake sufficiently to cause ketosis..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetyl-CoA

"Benign dietary ketosis can safely occur in people following low-carbohydrate diets, which cause fats to be metabolised as a major source of energy."

See what a simple search on even a well-known site as Wikipedia yields? Give it a try.

[ItalWHOP]

it just doesnt matter. at all. keep doing what youre doing. being in ketosis versus out of ketosis doesnt further enhance or hender your fat loss. period.

^ agree.


Some people place too much emphasis of actually being in ketosis. As long as you're controlling your carbs and using them as a tool rather then a diet staple, you should be successful.

Everyone will be different herd, so just adjust your carb intake until you feel confident with it.