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04-21-2008, 07:00 PM #31
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04-21-2008, 07:05 PM #36
but your forgetting a key thing here. WE ourselves didnt run Germany, it took Us, Britain, w.e was left of France, and RUSSIA. without Russia we were royally screwed. like the man said before, Stalingrad saved us. you notice we took japan after Germany? and btw we didnt island hop them all, recall Hiroshima and Nagasaki? we nuked them because we knew we'd lose half our forces trying to get there. We took Japan because of nukes. We took germany because of help. Im not saying we were puny little ****s. We were amazingly powerful for manufacturing an army after a depression and winning the war, but Germany for its time outplays us
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04-21-2008, 07:05 PM #37
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04-21-2008, 07:05 PM #39
Of course, America wouldn't have it's high tech weapons today without stealing German scientists after the war. But that's another story...The winners always write history.
America "came together" in WWII because FDR, at Churchill's request, deliberately provoked the Japs into attacking (the Brits needed the US in the war at all costs). Prior to that, the country was overwhelmingly opposed to the war. America First was the name of a very influential organization which advocated neutrality. Charles Lindbergh and the young JFK were members.
Go to South Central LA as a white man and tell me how you get treated by your "fellow Americans".
In the Third Reich, a man, woman, or child could walk on any street, at any time of day, without fear. Children respected their teachers and parents. Old people were taken care of.Last edited by Al Shades; 04-21-2008 at 07:08 PM.
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04-21-2008, 07:06 PM #40
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04-21-2008, 07:07 PM #41
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To put it in it's most simple form- if it was one on one with any countries involved with WWII... Germany would have decimated all of them. The US army is a powerhouse to be sure, especially these days, but they couldn't compare to the pure fanatisism of the Germans.
Also, Germany's entire economy at the time was for the war effort, while the US was trying to rebuilt it's economy.'You don't make friends with salad'
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04-21-2008, 07:07 PM #42
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04-21-2008, 07:08 PM #43
Actually, many of the emperors after Trajan were very skilled. The reason that Rome became weakened was that they were finding themselves having to protect immense borders that were, in essence, undefendable. This prompted the splitting of the empire into to seperate sides (east/Byzantine, and west). Once that split occured, the two sides gradually found themselves getting further and further apart, until the western empire finally collapsed, and the eastern empire was eventually overun by the Ottoman Turks, I believe. History would have us believe that many of the emperors were not good, but it mostly was a product of having empires that were very much unmanageable.
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04-21-2008, 07:08 PM #44
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04-21-2008, 07:09 PM #47
r u kidding about the lack of island hopping??? you better go re-read your history or at least watch a few John Wayne movies before you spew that BS. There would be ALOT of upset vet Marines if they saw that. We didn't invade the mainland and thats pretty much the only island we didn't shed alot of hard Marine blood for.
And Germany had Russia for more then half the war.
And personally I would have taken Japan as an allie over GB or Russia.
And did you seriously say we had the help of France??? You mean they hid there Nazi flags and waved American ones when we walked into Paris? Or perhaps a few of there women pleasured some of our troops...LMAO
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04-21-2008, 07:10 PM #48
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04-21-2008, 07:11 PM #50
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04-21-2008, 07:11 PM #51
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04-21-2008, 07:12 PM #52
of course we stole Germanys stuff...thats the American way. Let someone else develope it then simply go over and take it, seems to be working pretty well...
Hell do you know where most of our understand of lethal doses of various drugs and human anatomy came from?? Makes for a interesting ethical debate about the human experiments preformed by the Germans and our current medical knowledge. Infection rates, resistance to extremes, you name it.
Actually the Japs attacked because we cut them off from natural resources
And last i checked they couldn't walk the streets without fear because we firebombed most of Germany to ash
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04-21-2008, 07:12 PM #53
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04-21-2008, 07:14 PM #55
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I wouldn't be too hard on the French. Clemanceau (sp?) was right when they were working out the Treaty of Versailles after WW1 that Germany would rise again. It was the British who allowed them to gain power, even when they knew what was going on. Just look at Neville Chamberlain (Britain PM before Churchill) and his pathetic 'Peace in our time' declaration.
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04-21-2008, 07:14 PM #56
Between the USA, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany certainly held its own during its short existence. Many people hate to admit that many, many of our advanced weapons and strategies of war originally came from German designs during WW2. Plus, Germany may not have been the most alpha nation in history, but it really says something when it takes two major superpowers and dozens of other smaller nations to finally bring them down, let alone having the balls to invade Soviet Russia and get within 15 miles of taking Moscow.
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04-21-2008, 07:14 PM #57
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04-21-2008, 07:15 PM #58
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04-21-2008, 07:15 PM #59
As far as ww2 goes, America sealed the deal when Japan surrendered. Also the final battle was fought on 2 fronts with Russia attacking from the east and all of the other allied forces from the west.
So Hitler being "A Hero" was a joint effort, and the sealing of WW2 was all USA.
Also, for the above comment about America joining late, American singlehandedly turned the war around by joining. We forced Germany to divert ALOT of forces to protect from troops from the west. This caused Germany to be unable to launch the well planned attack on England and take Moscow. Really study WW2 and you will see perfectly just how close to victory Hitler was, and how America joining singlehandedly turned the war around. Without the USA, Germany would have takin Moscow and then overwhelmed England after causing the USSR to surrender(taking Moscow would have almost undoubtedly caused surrender).Last edited by deathwish420196; 04-21-2008 at 07:29 PM.
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04-21-2008, 07:16 PM #60
WW2 was won largely by the russians, people largely tend to forget this.
If Germany hadn't of attacked russia I have no doubt the allied D-Day invasion would have been pushed back into a second dunkirk. Those 5 million axis troops send to russia would have been directed west instead and history would have been much different.
hitler attacking russia was probably one of the biggest blunders in military since they had a non-agression pact.Last edited by timbo81; 04-21-2008 at 07:19 PM.
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