10 Reasons why I'm not a christian.

[riptor]

OP, good post. Reps when I can.

It is obvious you don't have an education. And you haven't had courses in Logic or Philosophy or Epistemology as it relates to Science and the scientific method.

You are trying to dismiss the soul with an assertion of materialism/solipsism/postivism.

The soul doesn't fit your inadequate and unscientific extension of what you call the "current best scientific paradigm" because the physical sciences have no means to contend with it.

Where does GOOD, EVIL, JUSTICE, etc., fit into your "current paradigm"? What is their atomic weight?, molecular structure?, what do they smell like?, what color are they? what do they sound like?

Grow up, get an education - A REAL EDUCATION - and not just a piece of paper from a diploma factory run by left-wing bigots.

All your other points are fallacious. Try posting something like that for discussion at an Ivy League university, and put your real name on it, so everyone can see for real what a pompous ignoramus you really are.

I've seen you brag about your education before. So exactly where did you go to school? I'm starting to suspect you haven't actually gone to school, and if you did it was probably some place like Liberty University. Even if you do have an education, so what? I've known plenty of people with advanced degrees that have believed in everything from Atlantis to ESP. Having an advanced degree doesn't automatically mean that your argument is valid, just like if one doesn't have a degree it doesn't make their argument invalid. If you were such an expert in science and logic as you claim you would know this.

[neekz0r]

prove it. show me evidence.

Show me the evidence that there are no flying invisible purple unicorns who **** those little marshmallows from lucky charms.

exactly.

Indeed.

[rainieravesouth]

Show me the evidence that there are no flying invisible purple unicorns who **** those little marshmallows from lucky charms.















Indeed.

just like i thought. you can't prove God doesn't exist. til then, I'll believe what I want. and you'll stay mad LOLOLOLOLOL

[LordDarwin]

just like i thought. you can't prove God doesn't exist. til then, I'll believe what I want. and you'll stay mad LOLOLOLOLOL

Probability & logical deduction, make it unlikely that your god exists.

Therefore we can say, just short of 100%, that your god does not exist.

[jordansrt]

Man i love Jesus, arent u guys glad God is good

[ONtop888]

Man i love Jesus, arent u guys glad God is good

sure am, AMEN!

[Salyers1121]

just like i thought. you can't prove God doesn't exist. til then, I'll believe what I want. and you'll stay mad LOLOLOLOLOL

How someone can believe something with all of their heart and have no proof is beyond me.(atheists and theists alike) What bothers me the most is theists wont at least admit that it is a little farfetched and illogical to believe what they do. At least admit to me that "Yea, I know it sounds crazy and illogical and I'm sure there is a chance I'm wrong, but I still believe."

[J-Bol]

How someone can believe something with all of their heart and have no proof is beyond me.(atheists and theists alike) What bothers me the most is theists wont at least admit that it is a little farfetched and illogical to believe what they do. At least admit to me that "Yea, I know it sounds crazy and illogical and I'm sure there is a chance I'm wrong, but I still believe."

[powerman2000]

Congratulations to all who choose not to believe. Enjoy your afterlife.

Ooops, I forgot, you are not able to choose for yourself. I guess then it just sucks to be you.

[neekz0r]

just like i thought. you can't prove God doesn't exist. til then, I'll believe what I want. and you'll stay mad LOLOLOLOLOL

A) I'm not mad.
B) I'm a theist.
C) Scientifically, the default answer for anything is "no." So, using the scientific method, one must conclude that god is not a valid theory.
D) Fortunately, there are other methods -- one cause use logic to deduce that god does exist (and also, that god does not exist). However, you can not logically 'prove' a negative. That's my point.
E) You can believe whatever you want, it's your right and I would never think of taking that from you.
F) I'll still challenge you when you are being illogical about it.

[ONtop888]

B) I'm a theist.

Incorrect, you are a follower of Malcalypse the Younger, a Sacred Chaoist if you will. And son I am dissapoint not see this medallion in your ava, strong WTF!! LULZ, how you been brother?

[neekz0r]

Incorrect, you are a follower of Malcalypse the Younger, a Sacred Chaoist if you will. And son I am dissapoint not see this medallion in your ava, strong WTF!! LULZ, how you been brother?

All hail Discordja! All hail Eris!

I've been good! How about you? I've been meaning to rep you for the posts few posts up but I need to spread some rep lovin' around first. Damit.

[ONtop888]

All hail Discordja! All hail Eris!

I've been good! How about you? I've been meaning to rep you for the posts few posts up but I need to spread some rep lovin' around first. Damit.

meh, no big dizzle brohem, I'm on recharge myself. It was my attempt to reach a younger guy by trying to present the argument from a different angle, but I'm fairly convinced that the only way, when someone is strongly opposed to something, to sway their opinion is in person or by showing an example of how God acts in one's life.

/rant

[Vagitarian]

A) I'm not mad.
B) I'm a theist.
C) Scientifically, the default answer for anything is "no." So, using the scientific method, one must conclude that god is not a valid theory.
D) Fortunately, there are other methods -- one cause use logic to deduce that god does exist (and also, that god does not exist). However, you can not logically 'prove' a negative. That's my point.
E) You can believe whatever you want, it's your right and I would never think of taking that from you.
F) I'll still challenge you when you are being illogical about it.

You're now confusing logic with emotion.

[-click_here-]

Man i love Jesus, arent u guys glad God is good

is the opinion of a creature lucky enough to have been born a human being, living in a secular, technologically advanced society.

and your 'fate' today, unlike countless tens of millions of humans and billions if not trillions of animals, reptiles and insects is good in comparrison

"The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference."

R. Dawkins

[ripper6]

Probability & logical deduction, make it unlikely that your god exists.

Therefore we can say, just short of 100%, that your god does not exist.

What is the "probability" of life spontaneously developing on this or any other planet?

What is the probability that you are uneducated and don't really understand what "probability" is, what "logical deduction is" what God is? 100% ?

[neekz0r]

You're now confusing logic with emotion.

No, I'm not. Emotion would be saying "I believe god exists" or "I feel god exists".

Logically, you can argue for the existence of god without invoking emotion.

[ripper6]

How someone can believe something with all of their heart and have no proof is beyond me.(atheists and theists alike) What bothers me the most is theists wont at least admit that it is a little farfetched and illogical to believe what they do. At least admit to me that "Yea, I know it sounds crazy and illogical and I'm sure there is a chance I'm wrong, but I still believe."

Do you believe that your mother loves you? What's the proof? Have you done DNA tests to confirm scientifically that she is your mother?

[ONtop888]

is the opinion of a creature lucky enough to have been born a human being, living in a secular, technologically advanced society.

and your 'fate' today, unlike countless tens of millions of humans and billions if not trillions of animals, reptiles and insects is good in comparrison

"The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference."

R. Dawkins

Richard Dawkins quote is "the opinion of a creature lucky enough to have been born a human being, living in a secular, technologically advanced society", so I fail to see the point you are trying to make?

[Boffman]

What is the "probability" of life spontaneously developing on this or any other planet?

What is the probability that you are uneducated and don't really understand what "probability" is, what "logical deduction is" what God is? 100% ?

Well, you aren't intelligent, you've refused my open debate challenge multiple times, and your arguments usually consist of a plethora of fallacies.

[neekz0r]

Do you believe that your mother loves you? What's the proof? Have you done DNA tests to confirm scientifically that she is your mother?

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Also, still waiting for you to point out those fallacies you were talking about. Until you can do that, STFU and GTFO.

[ripper6]

Having an advanced degree doesn't automatically mean that your argument is valid, just like if one doesn't have a degree it doesn't make their argument invalid. If you were such an expert in science and logic as you claim you would know this.

That can all be summed up by reference to "Argumentum ad verecundiam". Which I am already aware of - but obviously you aren't.

The OP's ten points are permeated with similar fallacies and bad logic. Those with real educations that include logic and philosophy as well as science, not just a degree, easily recognize that.

Why do you think the OP made his post on this forum, instead of a forum on a site with real thinkers?

[dmacfour]

What is the "probability" of life spontaneously developing on this or any other planet?

What is the probability that you are uneducated and don't really understand what "probability" is, what "logical deduction is" what God is? 100% ?

What is the probability that your god is the right one, and all of the thousands of others are wrong?

[LordDarwin]

What is the "probability" of life spontaneously developing on this or any other planet?

Going by the abundance of stars and possible solar systems.

Up to 500,000,000,000 stars in a galaxy, and approx. 100,000,000,000 galaxies in our universe (which may be one of many within a multiverse) I'd say pretty damn high...

What is the probability that you are uneducated and don't really understand what "probability" is, what "logical deduction is" what God is? 100% ?

I'd say it's pretty damn low.

You on the other hand... I'd put money on it that you hold those traits, from what I've read of your posts on these forums.

[ripper6]

lol, angry much? you just make yourself look very silly there.

No anger, just being blunt when dealing with the presumptuosly ignorant.

Speaking of presumptuously ignorant, why don't you take a crack at answering the point:
"Where does GOOD, EVIL, JUSTICE, etc., fit into your "current paradigm"? What is their atomic weight?, molecular structure?, what do they smell like?, what color are they? what do they sound like?"

Does trying to answer it make your head hurt and make you angry?

[neekz0r]

That can all be summed up by reference to "Argumentum ad verecundiam". Which I am already aware of - but obviously you aren't.

Uhm. How is that an argument from authority? You are the one who keeps postulating that we should just accept that everything on that list is a fallacy because you say so, and then you cite how idiotic we all are for not simply believing what you say. You have yet to say WHAT fallacies they are. This is the first I've seen, and you made it a general statement -- not pointing out what exactly was the authority.

The OP's ten points are permeated with similar fallacies and bad logic. Those with real educations that include logic and philosophy as well as science, not just a degree, easily recognize that.

Again, you are using argument from authority. You are saying you are such an authority and we should all just take your word for it that it's wrong because you say it's wrong. That's a fallacy.

Why do you think the OP made his post on this forum, instead of a forum on a site with real thinkers?

Fallacy, red herring. Where he posts has no revelation to his argument. He could post it to cavemen, and it could still be a logical argument.

BTW, I'm negging you. I've asked you three times now for specific instances to point out where the fallacies are and what the fallacies are.

[neekz0r]

No anger, just being blunt when dealing with the presumptuosly ignorant.

Speaking of presumptuously ignorant, why don't you take a crack at answering the point:
"Where does GOOD, EVIL, JUSTICE, etc., fit into your "current paradigm"? What is their atomic weight?, molecular structure?, what do they smell like?, what color are they? what do they sound like?"

You keep asking this like it has some sort of relevance to the argument at hand.
They have no atomic weight, they are not atoms.
They have no molecular structure, they are not molecules.
They have no smell, they are not physical.
They have no color, they are not physical.
They have no sound, they are not physical.

There, I answered those ridiculous and (seemingly) pointless questions.

Does trying to answer it make your head hurt and make you angry?

Uh, no. The answers are so obvious that I don't know why you are asking them.

[pikeamus]

No anger, just being blunt when dealing with the presumptuosly ignorant.

Speaking of presumptuously ignorant, why don't you take a crack at answering the point:
"Where does GOOD, EVIL, JUSTICE, etc., fit into your "current paradigm"? What is their atomic weight?, molecular structure?, what do they smell like?, what color are they? what do they sound like?"

Does trying to answer it make your head hurt and make you angry?

It is disappointing that you've chosen my thread to troll as I make so few in this section.

As was said by neekz0r the answer to those questions are obvious: "They have no x". As for where good, evil, justice etc. fit in the scientific paradigm: they are not part of that paradigm, they are the province of philosophy in a broader sense. You will note, however, that my first assertion (and they are all simply assertions, with at the very most a small summary of why I hold this opinion, to support each position would require a books worth of writing) is not that there is no soul, simply that one does not fit within our understanding of observable reality. I actually may be interested in looking for a debate opponent on the non-existence of an immortal soul in the future but am not quite ready to provide a full argument yet.

I'm also negging you (when I'm recharged), you've swamped this thread with posts devoid of any useful content and I don't appreciate it.

[riptor]

That can all be summed up by reference to "Argumentum ad verecundiam". Which I am already aware of - but obviously you aren't.

The OP's ten points are permeated with similar fallacies and bad logic. Those with real educations that include logic and philosophy as well as science, not just a degree, easily recognize that.

Why do you think the OP made his post on this forum, instead of a forum on a site with real thinkers?

Others have already pointed out the flaws of this post, so I won't waste time on it. But I suspect the OP posted here because he has an interest in working out and an interest in religion. If this forum doesn't have enough "real thinkers" for you I suggest you go to one more suited for those of your intellectual caliber.

[zman155]

How someone can believe something with all of their heart and have no proof is beyond me.(atheists and theists alike) What bothers me the most is theists wont at least admit that it is a little farfetched and illogical to believe what they do. At least admit to me that "Yea, I know it sounds crazy and illogical and I'm sure there is a chance I'm wrong, but I still believe."

My post from another thread (not preaching or hating brah just answerin ur question)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...8927511&page=2

I wont say that your statement is not logically valid because it is. But, there is something that is causing people to see Islam as the truth despite never being "born" into the religion which goes far beyond "logic" in our usual sense (as show by people finding it on their own) you might call it brainwashing or call them "crazy" (as the prophets throughout time had been called by their people who did not believe in the message of God) but I would call it faith and therefore that point of us REverting back to Islam is truth to us

"It is strange, at first, to think in the right way. But there are a few things we can know, a few things to be sure of, and it is relatively easy. Let me show you. To know the truth, all you have to do is close your eyes. We can know God, for example, and we can know sadness. We can know dreams, and we can know love. But none of these are real, in our usual sense of things that exist in the world and seem real. We cannot weigh them, or measure their length, or find their basic parts in an atom smasher. Which is why they are possible."
-Shantaram

It boils down to blind faith brah we logically cannot deduce love unless you want to call it nothing more then some neurotransmitter reaction in your brain but alas to each his own. The brain is just like a computer, we compute information but unlike machines, we have choices and moral decisions to make. Goes beyond logic.