What exactly is your Natural Limit? I mean i've basically been maxed out for the past year. With gains very very small. It might be because I've lifted very heavy for 2 1/2 years so maybe I hit my limit. Now obviously If increase my calories by 2000 I can can keep growing and getting bigger but then I would gain a hell of a lot of fat. So is it possible i'm at my natural limit at my current weight? If we weren't counting fat as a natural limit wouldn't that mean everybody has No limit because they can just keep eating more and more and more till they get to be 300 lbs but even if they reach 300 lbs its still possible to keep growing by eating more calories than their BMR. I'm a little confused on this topic. someone enlighten me
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08-18-2003, 09:55 PM #1
When have you hit your "Natural Limit"
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08-18-2003, 10:20 PM #2
Everyone has a limit, but it's unlikely you'll reach that limit after 2 and a half years. It sounds to me like you're just at a plateau. When you reach a plateau, you need to find a way to break out of it. The more advanced you are, the more you need to learn to keep gaining. You can't just do a crappy split, with a weak diet, and little rest and think that just because you aren't gaining any more then you are at your limit.
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08-18-2003, 10:22 PM #3
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there is no set "natural limit" as you lift over the years your gains will just come with more hard work and less results, most people start juicing when they think they have made it that far and thats okay, but personaly when i get up there im just going to work hard and be happy with myself that i achieved so much and accept that i'd be about as big as i could get (natually).
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08-18-2003, 10:28 PM #4
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08-18-2003, 10:34 PM #5
Re: When have you hit your "Natural Limit"
Originally posted by kibslib
What exactly is your Natural Limit? I mean i've basically been maxed out for the past year. With gains very very small. It might be because I've lifted very heavy for 2 1/2 years so maybe I hit my limit. Now obviously If increase my calories by 2000 I can can keep growing and getting bigger but then I would gain a hell of a lot of fat. So is it possible i'm at my natural limit at my current weight? If we weren't counting fat as a natural limit wouldn't that mean everybody has No limit because they can just keep eating more and more and more till they get to be 300 lbs but even if they reach 300 lbs its still possible to keep growing by eating more calories than their BMR. I'm a little confused on this topic. someone enlighten me
I was stuck at 205 for 8 months. I didn't gain a pound during that period and was depressed as hell. At the time, i thought I was doing everything possible to gain muscle, looking back on it, I wasn't doing nearly enough.
If you want to gain muscle, you can. But it is not at all easy, you have to put your heart and soul into it. I only bulk for about 2 weeks at a time and then maintain for a couple weeks after that because gaining muscle takes that much for me. I get a clock and make it go off ever 2-3 hours and make sure I eat plenty each time it goes off. It is really hard to do, but it puts muscle on me.
If you ever think that you have reached your genetic limit, just take a step back and look at where you can do more in your diet and nutrition, mainly nutrition, and then fill in the gaps and make no mistakes and leave nothing to chance and bust your ass.
STOP BEING LAZY
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08-18-2003, 10:38 PM #6Originally posted by kibslib
Agreed. But are you referring to me? Because my diet and training is far from crappy. Not perfect but its up there.
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08-18-2003, 10:44 PM #7
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08-18-2003, 10:51 PM #8Originally posted by EAE
I was speaking in general. Many people think they're at their genetic limit even though their diet and training program is weak. But, if you aren't gaining and haven't been gaining for the past year (is that included in the 2 1/2 years of training?) then obviously something is off.
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08-18-2003, 10:52 PM #9Originally posted by holyshinto63
Superman, the reason the pros can grow to unnatural levels is because of the steroids they use...a normal person’s skin could not stretch out that much and muscles could not get that large...there are natural limits on our body but it will take many years of very hard to achieve it.
Uhh your skin will stretch as much as you want it to stretch bud......If it didn't, then wouldn't fatasses around the world be bursting out of their skin right now?Just turned 16.
6"2 215lbs
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08-18-2003, 10:54 PM #10Originally posted by holyshinto63
Superman, the reason the pros can grow to unnatural levels is because of the steroids they use...a normal person’s skin could not stretch out that much and muscles could not get that large...there are natural limits on our body but it will take many years of very hard to achieve it.
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08-18-2003, 10:55 PM #11Originally posted by kibslib
I weight 158lbs. My gains are very small b/c i've been lifting very heavy for the all my time lifting. It took me about a Year to get rid of n00bie gains. Then from then on my gains exponentially decreased. but little by little I will gain muscle. But its extremely hard. I went on a bulking phase last summer where I was on cell-tech and ate about 3500 calories a day. I went from 160-175lbs in about 2 months. I defaintly made gains but I had a nice fat belly to go with it. My question is, At my current weight is it possible to be at a natural limi or very close to it? Now obviously I can get much bigger and stronger if i gained 30lbs but I don't want it to be half fat and half muscle.
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08-19-2003, 12:03 PM #12
I'm 5'7". My stomach stores a majority of my fat/water. My body fat scale says i have 20% body fat. Every part of my body looks good except for my stomach. You can see my pictures here
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=149732
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08-19-2003, 12:22 PM #13Originally posted by kibslib
I'm 5'7". My stomach stores a majority of my fat/water. My body fat scale says i have 20% body fat. Every part of my body looks good except for my stomach. You can see my pictures here
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=149732
Just loo kat yourself, genetic limits are set much higher, look at the old strongmen. They didn't have steroids and had MUCH less knowledge about nutrition and training and they're compareably big.
You just reached a plateau. Switch your training routine, maybe some westside or dualfactorht.
Take some time off, rearrange your diet, look if you get enough sleep.
You aren't 20% more like 8-12%.
You don't have a fat stomach. You don't have a 6-pack, but it isn't fat.
You said yourself, you could gain if you ate more, so why do you question if you reached your genetic potential??
Just wa´tch your diet closely, if you gain too much fat, decrease the cal's by 200.
Don't be afraid to loose your abs or you won't grow after some point.It's not as hard as you think it is.
Educate yourself, but stop thinking too much...
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08-19-2003, 12:29 PM #14
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08-19-2003, 12:33 PM #15Originally posted by kibslib
Damien I agree with all that you said but 1 thing. You saw my stomach in those pictures. I'm already skinny but have excess blubber over my stomach. If I gained more weight my stomach would be out of control because its not even under control at my current weight.It's not as hard as you think it is.
Educate yourself, but stop thinking too much...
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08-19-2003, 02:10 PM #16
Re: When have you hit your "Natural Limit"
Originally posted by kibslib
What exactly is your Natural Limit? I mean i've basically been maxed out for the past year. With gains very very small. It might be because I've lifted very heavy for 2 1/2 years so maybe I hit my limit. Now obviously If increase my calories by 2000 I can can keep growing and getting bigger but then I would gain a hell of a lot of fat. So is it possible i'm at my natural limit at my current weight? If we weren't counting fat as a natural limit wouldn't that mean everybody has No limit because they can just keep eating more and more and more till they get to be 300 lbs but even if they reach 300 lbs its still possible to keep growing by eating more calories than their BMR. I'm a little confused on this topic. someone enlighten me
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08-19-2003, 02:16 PM #17
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08-19-2003, 02:38 PM #18
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08-19-2003, 02:40 PM #19
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08-19-2003, 03:43 PM #20Originally posted by holyshinto63
Superman, the reason the pros can grow to unnatural levels is because of the steroids they use.
I stated that in my post, which you should have seen if you read it. The point was, that even pro athletes with years of training under there belts can still make gains. As we all know, the more advanced you are the harder it is to make gains.
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08-19-2003, 05:21 PM #21Originally posted by kibslib
I'm 5'7". My stomach stores a majority of my fat/water. My body fat scale says i have 20% body fat. Every part of my body looks good except for my stomach. You can see my pictures here
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=149732
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08-19-2003, 05:33 PM #22
Re: When have you hit your "Natural Limit"
Originally posted by kibslib
What exactly is your Natural Limit? I mean i've basically been maxed out for the past year. With gains very very small. It might be because I've lifted very heavy for 2 1/2 years so maybe I hit my limit. Now obviously If increase my calories by 2000 I can can keep growing and getting bigger but then I would gain a hell of a lot of fat. So is it possible i'm at my natural limit at my current weight? If we weren't counting fat as a natural limit wouldn't that mean everybody has No limit because they can just keep eating more and more and more till they get to be 300 lbs but even if they reach 300 lbs its still possible to keep growing by eating more calories than their BMR. I'm a little confused on this topic. someone enlighten me
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08-19-2003, 07:22 PM #23
Re: Re: When have you hit your "Natural Limit"
Originally posted by Biceps&Triceps
i saw your pics your not at your genetic limit. Your just at a plateau and your not doing anything to progress. What training principles have you applied to your workouts? You could superset your workouts, Drop sets, Trisets, Partial reps, Forced negatives, staggered sets, 21's, forced reps etc etc
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08-19-2003, 07:30 PM #24
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08-19-2003, 07:56 PM #25
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08-19-2003, 09:13 PM #26Originally posted by LavaLamp
Also, you say you're lifting really heavy.....thats a relative term. You should be doing reps around the 6-10 range, preferably 8, if you want to see the biggest size gains. Your strength gains will be better if you continue what you are doing, but you may not see the size you want.
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08-19-2003, 09:24 PM #27
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08-20-2003, 09:12 AM #28
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08-20-2003, 09:25 AM #29
Re: Re: Re: When have you hit your "Natural Limit"
Originally posted by kibslib
wouldn't supersets, drop sets, trisets just cut me up? I just lift really heavy with good form and been stuck for a long time now. I switch up excersises order and exercsises to vary my routine. If i apply those principles wouldn't I get weaker but more toned? If i'm already giving a certain force to my muscles 4-6 times and don't use that weight anymore by using different training principles with less weight, wouldn't the next time I go back to the old weight 2 months later be very difficult to do 1 rep?
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08-20-2003, 10:43 AM #30
Re: Re: Re: Re: When have you hit your "Natural Limit"
Originally posted by Biceps&Triceps
Supersets and stuff will shock your muscles into growth. The only thing that will cut you up is your diet. You sound like your becoming an ego lifter. Saying I wont be able to lift as heavy. I gonna let you in on a secret "WEIGHT DOESNT MATTER!!!" Applying training principles will only spur your muscles into growth.
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