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Thread: Obama WINS!!
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11-08-2012, 12:57 PM #211
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11-08-2012, 01:10 PM #212
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11-08-2012, 01:11 PM #213
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11-08-2012, 01:36 PM #214
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11-08-2012, 02:35 PM #216
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Since I was not raised on any political views (my mother and father did not vote nor did they instill any of their beliefs on me except religion) I am now trying to figure out which way I would lean towards.
Reading up on the differences I find myself sort of in between on some of the beliefs.
Just on these quick values I am already in the f'cking middle.
Economic Ideas: D ~ Raise taxes on the rich not the poor or middle class
Military issues: R ~Spend as much as we need to
Gay marriage: R ~Hell f'cking no.
Abortion: D~ Women should be able to make this decision.
Death penalty: R ~If you are a f'cking child killer, rapist then you should be f'cking killed.
Social and human ideas: D~ Don't really understand this one too much, but reading the two I lean more on the Democrat.
So yeah still not sure which direction I am going just yet, still have 4 more years of studyingOn the list for Bannukah
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11-08-2012, 02:40 PM #217
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When the leeches reach a certain number; critical mass, even the goose that has laid the golden eggs for all these many years will expire. Bled dry by the worthless and unwilling. Unwilling to be responsible for their own decisions, and unwilling to accept the lion's share of blame for their own circumstances. Always willing to blame another. Always willing to demand another handout. And always, always willing to vote for those who promise it to them!
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11-08-2012, 02:51 PM #218
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11-08-2012, 03:01 PM #219
ugh, right.. all liberals are moochers of the system! That lame statement is so baseless. Nobody is trying to give anyone a free ride. Look outside your borders. Other countries implement social programs in order to help people improve their lives and give them a better chance to succeed and it works. Yes, some will abuse the system but that's always going to happen. There's much less poverty and much less income inequality in Canada and our taxes are WAY higher than yours. I find it odd that the right, (the majority of which consider themselves christian), have such a "me me me" attitude towards social policy.
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11-08-2012, 03:05 PM #220
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11-08-2012, 03:18 PM #221
Don't sweat it man! I've been voting since I turned 18, try to keep up with events, and I still don't pledge my allegiance to either the D's or the R's.... or the I's.
I have never voted straight party ticket. I always read up and listen to each candidate, and vote based on my own conclusions. I am an United States citizen. Period.
That's why I don't make many friends politicaly. Everyone wants to fit people into boxes. They like to make it all black and white.
If you spend some time studying political history in our nation, you will see that the parties go through changes. The R's used to be the D's, and the D's used to be the R's. It can all get rather confusing
The R's have reached a point where they need some serious change to compete...imho. And change never comes easy. But it always comes.
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11-08-2012, 03:20 PM #222
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Republicans don't have to turn into Democrats. They need to move away from the social policies of Evangelical Christians if they're going to win elections in the future. I don't want to start an argument about gay rights, but that's one issue where some Republican leaders seem hopelessly out of touch to the younger generations of voters. When the Republican Party makes eliminating pornography part of their official platform, that alienates a huge number of young voters. Younger generations are increasingly against the policies of legislating Christian morality in this country. Some people do vote on these issues.
The Republicans would do better to shift towards their libertarian base. Fight for a smaller, less intrusive government. Fight for lower taxes and lower spending. Let people decide how to live their own lives, and get back to the values of freedom and personal independence this country was founded on. I expect to see more of those kinds of Republicans win elections in the future, and less social conservatives like Rick Santorum.
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11-08-2012, 03:24 PM #223
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11-08-2012, 03:31 PM #224
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I'm aware that at one time way, way, way back the right was more fiscally liberal and the left more fiscally conservative when it comes to how large a role government should play in the peoples lives.
I've also heard it said over and over that the parties switched with regard to racism, I've heard it said this switch took place back around the civil war time, but I've also heard it claimed that it happened once again after the civil rights act was passed. Now in this case I've yet to see any factual information to support it, none. I would be happy for someone to point out how exactly this change supposedly took place, seriously!I'm a sad little man
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11-08-2012, 04:01 PM #225
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11-08-2012, 04:18 PM #227
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Some guys like Pat Buchanan want to stop immigration completely. A lot of others want to cut back on the number of people allowed to move here every year. I wouldn't call it "hating", but lots of immigrants see the Republican Party as less immigrant friendly.
Most of the immigrants I work with are Asian or Eastern European. They're smart, hard working, high income people with families who moved here legally. You'd think they'd support the Republicans, but some of them are turned off by what they feel is an anti-immigrant sentiment in the party.
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11-08-2012, 04:28 PM #228
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Of course there are a few Dems who would probably like to just open our borders to anyone. That doesn't make it party policy just because a few are on that extreme, nor does Buchanan.
Who?
They feel that way for two reasons, the Dems are very good at getting their message across, even if there message isn't wholly true as it applies to Rep policy. The Reps on the other hand have been atrocious at making people understand who they are and what they truly stand for, they have failed and thusly allowed the Dems to define them. To me this is the failure of the modern Republican party.Last edited by SP1966; 11-08-2012 at 07:48 PM.
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11-08-2012, 04:35 PM #229
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IMO the media is what keeps the gay rights/abortion crap going. I am a very conservative person, but could care less if two men marry, or women, or if a woman has an abortion. Don't get me wrong I have my beliefs on all of these issues, but do not wish to impose them on others. As far as I know Obama has done nothing to help gays in his first term, and the abortion law hasn't changed since rowe vrs. wade, but it seems to be all the media wants to talk about when elections are near. I could also care less if people want to use drugs, I only hope that if they do and it results in a car accident, or death of another person the Hammer should fall heavily on them. Same with drinking and driving. If the republican leaders would adopt my thoughts on it, that you can disagree with it, but not have to impose your will on everyone else maybe they would have a chance at winning an election.
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11-08-2012, 05:06 PM #230
I agree with everything you said except that his record on gay rights is actually pretty good.
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11-08-2012, 05:07 PM #231
You are kidding, right? Your link is off of a Clean Energy site. I'm not talking about Bain Capital, I'm talking about our tax dollars being wasted by the truckload for political favors and shady enrichments, corruption, outright theft, whatever you want to call it. ENER1, A123, Beacon Power,Sunpower,Solyndra, many others were given BILLIONS even after there were red fllags all over the place. The DOE gave out these risky loans like crazy to these companies, and a quick search will bear this out. How about Record Hill in Maine? That whole deal was as corrupt as they come, but it through anyways for the windmills and the Turbines were made in europe and the towers were made in Asia. Sunpower got $1.2 billion then announce it was going to build thier panels in Mexico in Mexicali. Strange as it seems, 80% of these companies or thier CEOs were Obama donors. How many electric car battery places have went under after getting loans?
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11-08-2012, 05:19 PM #232
Well it's hard to find data that isn't skewed heavily by political bias but this article isn't bad. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...tment-records/
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11-08-2012, 05:31 PM #233
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This one's my favorite:
Here's Stewart for those who missed it:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...xrs=share_copy"I'm not a Ninja, but I played one on TV." -cmoore, American Ninja Warrior (ANW 7,8)
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11-08-2012, 05:32 PM #234
Had to laugh at the last paragraph though. $4.5 million is nothing compared to BILLIONS. Just Google "Bad DOE Loans" "Bad Energy Loans", etc and you'll see what I'm talking about. Beacon Power, Sunpower, Record Hill, ENER 1, A123, NRG, among many others. It's really nuts, even after you sift through any political shading, it was all corrupt and insane.
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11-08-2012, 05:36 PM #235
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11-08-2012, 07:37 PM #236
I think the civil rights era may have had an impact on the old "solid south", but only for a short time. I think the biggest impact to turn the south from blue to red is the religious right movement. It's not called the Bible belt for nothing. But my opinion is not very well researched, it's just my perception
Why the hell are some of you're quotes from m314 showing up as mine? Did you notice that? I don't mind being quoted, but I don't like being quoted for something I never wrote/spoke DAmn website!!
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11-08-2012, 07:50 PM #237
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11-08-2012, 08:12 PM #238
SP used the wrong 'to'. Just sayin'.....
With Obama, he's got a lot of problems to contend with. He has a pretty decent track record with human rights, gay rights (pandering to the mob, maybe, but whatever) and comes across as a people person. Okay, I have nothing against two gay people having a civil union. I just don't call it a 'marriage'. But if they want to wed, fine by me. No biggie. Abortion should always be a woman's choice, plain and simple. You can argue about the sanctity of life all you like--and it is a big issue--but the state should never impose its values upon anyone. Period.
Someone mentioned his record on giving loans out to the solar power companies and yes, not only risky but stupid. What was even dumber were the loans to the housing companies which cost billions, put people out of their homes, and screwed up the economy. Yes, a lot of that happened under Bush Jr. but to be fair, he did warn against it. Obama basically let it slide and look what happened.
The question everyone asks is why Obama won. Really, the Republicans should be asking themselves why they lost. They backed Romney who came across as flip-flopping all over the place, not owning up to Bain Capital, and seemingly catering the anti-abortion, very conservative element as m314 mentioned on page 8 of this wonderful thread. Republicans are entitled to have and keep their values--as they should--but I'd have to agree with him (m314): they seem hopelessly and helplessly out of touch with the things the Dems are very good at marking--human rights, immigration, and job creation (or so Obama promises).
What the Rep. party needs to do is focus in on the jobs thing. Creating them, lowering taxes, less spending, less gov't intrusion, and a bit more of a social conscience. Romney's '47 percent' argument killed his campaign. It came across as insensitive and downright stupid and Obama jumped on it--as he should have.
The big thing which worries me is Obama's foreign policy--it appears too cautious in many cases. Caution implies weakness as many foreign countries may interpret it. Right or wrong, he has to seize the day and not wait and then react. The other thing is Obamacare, the sustainablity of it. I asked this question on another forum and got crickets. People think it will mean cutting certain programs i.e. the military. While I'm not a warmonger, other countries are pushing for regional dominance (China for one, and those nutty Iranian gov't scumbags, for another. Not the people but their leaders). The US canNOT afford to lose its power but I fear Obama might try to reduce the forces unduly. Less waste is always good, but too much cutting is not good for US interests in the international sense."Don't call me Miss Kitty. Just...don't."--Catnip. Check out the Catnip Trilogy on Amazon.com
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