Gay Marriage

[dmbphan041]

poll coming

[Eddie_Brown]

Why not?

[Wiley1]

I couldn't care less. If two gay people want to marry then let them is what i say.

[GrokTheCube]

Makes 0 difference in my life, so why not.

[jf1]

we have written documentation that leviticus, speaking for god himself, called homosexuality an abomination!
how can we possibly dispute gods never changing word?

brb, gathering rocks to stone to death blasphemers and those who dare to work on teh sabbath...

[SDC77]

brb, gathering rocks to stone to death blasphemers and those who dare to work on teh sabbath...

lol exactly. That is the kind of picking and choosing I was talking about in another thread.

[Melkor]

Constructive post jackfast, well done.

I didn't vote in your poll, because I don't believe government should be involved in marriage at all, gay or straight. Government needs to stay out of peoples' lives.

[Melkor]

lol exactly. That is the kind of picking and choosing I was talking about in another thread.

That just shows that you don't understand the Bible, Mosaic law, and Christianity. Mosaic law doesn't apply to Christians and never has. This is purely arguing from ignorance (not saying you, just saying those that argue that position).

[SDC77]

That just shows that you don't understand the Bible, Mosaic law, and Christianity. Mosaic law doesn't apply to Christians and never has. This is purely arguing from ignorance (not saying you, just saying those that argue that position).

Do the 10 Commandments apply to Christians?

[Melkor]

Do the 10 Commandments apply to Christians?

As a matter of fact, no, that's a common misconception. The ten commandments were part of the Mosaic law. Christ fulfilled that law, and brought the higher law. The higher law is predicated on Mosaic law, and requires that one "follow the Spirit". That doesn't mean that anything in the ten commandments is now justified, but it does mean that Christians are called to follow the higher law instead. Christ talks about what this means in the Sermon on the Mount (read Matthew chapter 5 http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/5 starting at verse 21 for specifics).

The Mosaic law was a physical law, in that it proscribed every action a person could do, down to the knots you could tie on the Sabbath and what you ate. The higher law requires a person to follow the Spirit of the law, and become like Christ. It is a Spiritual law rather than physical.

[SDC77]

As a matter of fact, no, that's a common misconception. The ten commandments were part of the Mosaic law. Christ fulfilled that law, and brought the higher law. The higher law is predicated on Mosaic law, and requires that one "follow the Spirit". That doesn't mean that anything in the ten commandments is now justified, but it does mean that Christians are called to follow the higher law instead. Christ talks about what this means in the Sermon on the Mount (read Matthew chapter 5 http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/5 starting at verse 21 for specifics).

The Mosaic law was a physical law, in that it proscribed every action a person could do, down to the knots you could tie on the Sabbath and what you ate. The higher law requires a person to follow the Spirit of the law, and become like Christ. It is a Spiritual law rather than physical.

I appreciate the link and insight, but that makes no sense to me. If the 10 Commandants were Mosaic Law and were trumped by Jesus' sermon with his directions to be perfect like God....... what is perfect? What rules determine perfection if the Commandments are no longer the bar of which to be measured by?

[SDC77]

We can clearly see which messages are corrupt and which are not.

Based on what.

[Melkor]

Well, Christ is the example, and the Holy Spirit is the guide. I know that's hard to understand when you haven't experienced it, but basically, if you are doing the right things God guides you. All good things bring you closer to Christ. Your eventual goal is to become like Him.

Also, the ten commandments are still relevant, but as Christ explains in Matthew 5, it isn't enough to simply follow the physical aspects of the law anymore. A person still can't murder, but it is also required that a person learn to forgive and control his anger. The higher law basically builds on the Mosaic law. Hope that helps.

[SDC77]

Well, Christ is the example, and the Holy Spirit is the guide. I know that's hard to understand when you haven't experienced it, but basically, if you are doing the right things God guides you. All good things bring you closer to Christ. Your eventual goal is to become like Him.

Also, the ten commandments are still relevant, but as Christ explains in Matthew 5, it isn't enough to simply follow the physical aspects of the law anymore. A person still can't murder, but it is also required that a person learn to forgive and control his anger. The higher law basically builds on the Mosaic law. Hope that helps.

Thank you for taking the time to give your perspective.

[voltio8836]

Well I would have to look into the statistics.


If there are more gays than there are lesbians, then i'll actively support gay rights in all forms


If there are more lesbians than gays, then I won't actively support gay rights. But I won't be against it.

[mntbikedude]

Absolutely support gay marriage. Gays not only deserve the right to be married they deserve the right to have spirituality in their lifes.

Spirituality comes from discipline and commitment. Unfortunately gays have been taught by religion that if they are to be themselves they have only one choice and that is a fast tract to hell.

I'm saying apply the same christian moral code to gays as to heteros. Meaning no premarital sex outside of marriage.

Teaching gays to be themselves, to be in commited stable relationships would help them and strengthen our entire nation.

And no I don't believe that is changing Gods laws any more than claiming to change Gods laws when we changed our view of interacial marriage.

I believe someone had an agenda against gays and it wasn't God. Those agendas got worked into bible stories to back said agenda. Christ himself never spoke out against homosexuals.

It's time for religion to grow-up, the tide is changing. I'm glad I'm on the right side of the line.

[Skunk]

If marriage is to be considered a religious matter by the State (which I think it shouldn't), then neither gay or straight marriage should be recognized by the government.

If marriage is not to be considered a religious matter, then yes, gay marriage should exist.

[An hero]

It is not my right to deny another liberty. It is no ones right.

this

[doobiebro]

Well I would have to look into the statistics.


If there are more gays than there are lesbians, then i'll actively support gay rights in all forms


If there are more lesbians than gays, then I won't actively support gay rights. But I won't be against it.

Care to elaborate?

[Joseph63]

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicket man from among you. -1 Corinthians 5:12-13

[liftstrong101]

strong liberals.

[revkins]

strong liberals.

You mean strong libertarians.

There aren't that many liberals here.

[nonAtlas]

As a matter of fact, no

As a matter of fact, YES!

[Arbex]

I'm perhaps the only atheist SORTA against gay marriage.

Marriage is a religious tradition and it's between a man and a woman.

If gays want to be part of a 'union,' they can (and I don't have a problem with it), but I think they should call it something else, other than marriage, like Stephen Colbert once said.

I just think allowing gay marriage is destroying a religious tradition.

I don't have anything against it, but I'm just thinking from a religious person's perspective.

It's simple, just come up with a new name for it.

Profit.

[Boffman]

It's simple, just come up with a new name for it.

Marriage isn't always a religious thing, try Civil Marriage.

[Melkor]

As a matter of fact, YES!

Read Matthew chapter 5 sir. The ten commandments are superseded with a higher law, quite clearly. Like I said to Scott, that doesn't mean that you can break the ten commandments, it means you have to go beyond the ten commandments and follow the Spirit of the law as well as the letter of the law.

It's the difference between doing something because you're told to and doing something because it's the right thing to do.

[LunicaAshes]

I'm perhaps the only atheist SORTA against gay marriage.

Marriage is a religious tradition and it's between a man and a woman.

If gays want to be part of a 'union,' they can (and I don't have a problem with it), but I think they should call it something else, other than marriage, like Stephen Colbert once said.

I just think allowing gay marriage is destroying a religious tradition.

I don't have anything against it, but I'm just thinking from a religious person's perspective.

It's simple, just come up with a new name for it.

Profit.

But it's not just a religious thing. It's a legal thing, with lots of implications. If it were just religious, I couldn't walk into the courthouse as an atheist and enter into such a union.

[Melkor]

I'm perhaps the only atheist SORTA against gay marriage.

Marriage is a religious tradition and it's between a man and a woman.

If gays want to be part of a 'union,' they can (and I don't have a problem with it), but I think they should call it something else, other than marriage, like Stephen Colbert once said.

I just think allowing gay marriage is destroying a religious tradition.

I don't have anything against it, but I'm just thinking from a religious person's perspective.

It's simple, just come up with a new name for it.

Profit.

lol profit

It really only makes sense to take the government out of marriage imo. I agree that marriage should be a religious institution, and the state version of it should be something else entirely, if only to facilitate inheritance and insurance rights, etc. Gays should have all the same rights straight people have in those regards imo.

[GrokTheCube]

Good stance, much respect. One of my close child hood friends is a gay girl who's now in seminary, and it's tough for her finding a church that's the right fit, but she's looking at the UCC, because their churches are all so different, she thinks she could find a good fit.

I know that isn't just right for you, but I hope you can find something that works for you. I think religion being restrictive is just not right :-/. That's not how I read the New Testament.

Absolutely support gay marriage. Gays not only deserve the right to be married they deserve the right to have spirituality in their lifes.

Spirituality comes from discipline and commitment. Unfortunately gays have been taught by religion that if they are to be themselves they have only one choice and that is a fast tract to hell.

I'm saying apply the same christian moral code to gays as to heteros. Meaning no premarital sex outside of marriage.

Teaching gays to be themselves, to be in commited stable relationships would help them and strengthen our entire nation.

And no I don't believe that is changing Gods laws any more than claiming to change Gods laws when we changed our view of interacial marriage.

I believe someone had an agenda against gays and it wasn't God. Those agendas got worked into bible stories to back said agenda. Christ himself never spoke out against homosexuals.

It's time for religion to grow-up, the tide is changing. I'm glad I'm on the right side of the line.

[Arbex]

lol profit

It really only makes sense to take the government out of marriage imo.

Agreed.

I think implications rise when the government gets involved and there are benefits (e.g. tax cuts).