HBO's Game of Thrones - Final Season VIII - 2nd Thread

[TurkBrah]

[JamesA1990]

I guess its true what they say about Ned Stark and his bastard son, John

[MediocreGains]

Normally the ideal order if there's a book and show, is always to watch the show first so your imagination has the people and places visualized and then when you read the book you reference those visuals.

That's the exact reason why books should generally be read first. Part of the point of reading is to use your imagination.

There are a few exceptions though. On rare occasions the movie is either superior to the book or makes it redundant, with The Godfather probably being the most notable example.

Lol no.... I’m a book reader and I was thoroughly impressed with the show up to season 5 or so. It was a great adaptation.

Once they got away from the source material THEN the complaints started... with good reason... because since then the writing has gone to chit and most of the best character have been neutered.

If this show never had the books to draw from it wouldn’t have been renewed for a second season.

Same. I was impressed by how well they did in the first four seasons, changing little parts here and there to make it more suitable for a TV show.

Anyways, these are the geniuses behind Wolverine: Origins and Troy. They're good at adapting when the everything is already more or less written out for them, but whenever they have to write somewhat original material, not so much.

Even after Season 4 (and to be fair, Season 5 was based on the weaker books), while the show was hit or miss, the hits still definitely outnumbered the misses. The longer it went though, the misses just started increasing. The last season I thought was fairly even between hits and misses. The show was no longer smart, but it was at least entertaining. This is the first season where the misses have outnumbered the hits, but at least it's over now.

[Arsenal01]

Lol no.... I’m a book reader and I was thoroughly impressed with the show up to season 5 or so. It was a great adaptation.

Once they got away from the source material THEN the complaints started... with good reason... because since then the writing has gone to chit and most of the best character have been neutered.

If this show never had the books to draw from it wouldn’t have been renewed for a second season.

The show hasnt had book material for years yet here you are watching got and posting in a got specific thread.

[Rooney15]

basically just ready for this to end.

[MichelleLnne]

Let’s be real here: most people haven’t been watching even for eight years (Season 1 had 1/5th the official viewership as Season 7), and even fewer have been paying for it the whole way through

Probably not an exaggeration to guess a solid 70%+ of the complaints are coming from people who have been watching for less than eight years, and I bet 80%+ (maybe even 90+) of them are coming from people who have pirated every GoT Episode they’ve seen

I’ve been complaining and I watch all episodes on my paid for by me HBO GO app.

[iifymbro]

i still don't think dany turning mad is unrealistic. so many signs. all that was needed was one final trigger. like beheading missandei in front of her. that would do it.

and insanity isn't something that is logical. that's why it's called insanity lol. you can't tell who is mental and who is not. plenty of super nice guys in real life, but one bad trigger and they snap hard.

didn't the original mad king just suddenly go crazy too? don't remember

I was expecting her to go and rekt the red keep in a fit of rage towards Cersei. I don't think bbq'ing a million civilians is even remotely in character given all we were forced to sit through with her arc. The freeing of cities from tyrants, ending slavery, etc etc.

[KingSWRV]

All these people here who, based on their harsh comments ITT, I coulda sworn weren't about to watch episodes 4 and 5....

yet they still watched them

HHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

[DASBUNKER]

It's all a ploy to get you to purchase and read the books... they already got their bags full from the show alone regardless of how it turns out..

Rumors are the final books are ready, they were just waiting for the series to end.

[KingSWRV]

Anyways, these are the geniuses behind Wolverine: Origins and Troy. They're good at adapting when

I...

did not know that....

I guess DB was responsible for that writing which makes a lot of sense. Interesting.... that movie ended with the sack of Troy, this show ended with the sack of KL... ? coincidence??? shoulda seen it coming??


Its funny to think that Sean Bean was in that too...

So Orlando and Sean do LOTR, then based off that fame they do Troy, with DB, then based off that fame DB makes GoT with also yet again Sean Bean.

I guess it has the DNA of LOTR in many ways on top of the showdown with Tolkein and GRRM.

Come to think of it the stylization similarities of Troy and GoT are quite obvious, the sex, the badass moves and action. Back then Troy and 300 were popular and they got actors from both (Lena Heady, Sean Bean)

They should have had Brad Pitt play Rheagar Jons dad in the flash back lmaooo

[IronBrahh]

All these people here who, based on their harsh comments ITT, I coulda sworn weren't about to watch episodes 4 and 5....

yet they still watched them

IDK whats up with some of you guys thinking that people finishing something they've invested 10 years/8 seasons into is some big "gotcha!"

nor do I think that just because Im watching something means that thing is beyond criticism

[MediocreGains]

Rumors are the final books are ready, they were just waiting for the series to end.

That's just wishful thinking. The man is a procrastinator by nature. The man finished a 700+ Targaryen history book just so that he can avoid finishing the Winds of Winter. I'd be surprised if it's even finished by next year.

[SazabiBrah]

Who do you guys think will take the throne, if anyone at all? Knowing the show writers are dumb as shiet they’ll probably make Bran the king.

[Burgerbuger]

It's all a ploy to get you to purchase and read the books... they already got their bags full from the show alone regardless of how it turns out..

Rumors are the final books are ready, they were just waiting for the series to end.

A ploy for George R. R. Martin maybe. Everybody will be buying the books now.

D&D are just that bad. I am hoping HBO cans their asses.

[KingSWRV]

Who do you guys think will take the throne, if anyone at all? Knowing the show writers are dumb as shiet they’ll probably make Bran the king.

you literally already said before you read spoilers, why are you trying to bait people into theorizing when you already know?

[wings_unhinged]

Who do you guys think will take the throne, if anyone at all? Knowing the show writers are dumb as shiet they’ll probably make Bran the king.

Dumbass Jon

[CaliSuperSport]

You gonna drop a line like that and dash off huh?

Thats fine ill get you next time lol

Lotr battles aren't over we will see

had to study boyo. I'll drop a few more lines here and there tonight.

You mentioned balancing predictability and logic. It's not really nitpicking because people have expectations when they watch some media and they're manipulated my film makers to make compelling scenes. And simply put there's two extreme examples that usually illicit these online discussions

1) The unexpected happens, but has a logical explanation and blows the viewers mind (red wedding, mother's mercy, Purple wedding)
2) The unexpected happens, without logical explanation or against logic that confuses and frustrates the viewer (Snoke, Danaerys going crazy in 2 episodes)

This whole season has been rife with #2 hence the controversy. So defenders keep harping on about subversion but I just want to scream "subversion doesn't = good plot".

By that logic - have the Mountain just cut off Cersei's head as she was leaving Cleganebowl.

Subverted expectations! Unpredictable! I'm sure now you see why those shouldn't be argued by themselves as effective techniques.

[CaliSuperSport]

All these people here who, based on their harsh comments ITT, I coulda sworn weren't about to watch episodes 4 and 5....

yet they still watched them

Again, you gotta be nuts to think people are throwing away years of time investment because 2 or 3 episodes sucked. Especially when the entire series has been some of the best television ever.

[DASBUNKER]

That's just wishful thinking. The man is a procrastinator by nature. The man finished a 700+ Targaryen history book just so that he can avoid finishing the Winds of Winter. I'd be surprised if it's even finished by next year.

A ploy for George R. R. Martin maybe. Everybody will be buying the books now.

D&D are just that bad. I am hoping HBO cans their asses.

I suspect he was salty and sabotaged the whole thing, hence he stopped advise and what not. So the books will be regarded better than the show.

[ohiostate124]

It's all a ploy to get you to purchase and read the books... they already got their bags full from the show alone regardless of how it turns out..

Rumors are the final books are ready, they were just waiting for the series to end.

GRRM wrote a blogpost refuting the comments from Ian McElhinney.

[BalkanPrince]

My god D&D are complete idiots. This season's writing has been abysmal. Where the hell to start?

Rhaegal gets killed by a scorpion from miles away from single shots coming from Euron yet Drogon manages to dodge the entire fleet's barrage of scorpions? Are you being serious right now?



Drogon on it's own burns down King's landing, decimates Cersei's forces, and gives Daenerys a decisive victory with minimal losses yet she couldn't do this **** once she had all three dragons? WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL is the reason for her even raising a army? They basically did fuk all anyways. She could have won the war ages ago if all it took is one dragon to do all that damage, not to mention when she had all three.



Tyrion the retarded midget is built up to be some genius in season 1-4 only to become completely undone by Dickface and Dickface in season 8. This man outs Varys after he told him about Jon. He does not see any consequences of his actions anymore. 99% of them are either miscalculated or dead wrong. For goodness sake he even bottled the plan to get Jamie to Cersei. And what exactly is he expecting would happen with Daenerys all along? He literally had to convince her not to massacre a entire city for how many times??? Yet he "believes" in her being a true leader? What true leader is dictated so easily by his or her emotions to go from being merciful to a war criminal? Under what dictionary is that the signs of a stable leader? Yet this guy sticks with his judgement (Which is as reliable as a infowars article on moon bases at this point) and totally outs Varys for stating the obvious?? And what sane person would want Tyrion as his or her hand at this point? Sucks in keeping secrets, prisoners, logic. Yet despite all her threats, Daenerys keeps him as her hand, as shown when he tells her soldiers to walk before freeing Jamie. LOL wut?



Drogon's flames are powerful enough to rip a FUKING HOLE in the middle of the gates of King's Landing like a Boeing crashed into it yet the same flames from Viserion are not enough to kill Jon Snow after he hides behind a stack of dead bodies??? WHAT? And not only that but we see his safely shielded by a wall of bricks, too. Dickface and Dickface have a beef with consistency.



The Mountain has the strength to rip skills apart with his bare hands yet struggles choking out the Hound? He shield's Cersei from a entire facade collapse yet get's tackled through bricks by the Hound like he was a 12 year old boy living off of mayonnaise sandwiches? It seems the mountain's strength diminishes based on plot armor.



Cersei watches her city burning from literally the most dangerous position possible, suspended above the entire city while a dragon wrecks havoc around her. Yet when told to evacuate states that the red keep is the safest place in the city? LMFAO based on what? There is a flying dragon circling around you, stupeeeedddd. And what in the fuk was Daenerys even waiting for? She could have finished Cersei off in seconds into the assault yet gambles on her escaping and instead preoccupies herself with burning citizens? What warring leader does not strive to eliminate the leader of his opposing army before any regular soldier? What in the fuk did Dickface & Dickface even read about war?




What exactly was the point of positioning a line of scorpion's next to each other? The scorpion is the equivalent of a anti-aircraft missile at this point, yet they are literally lined up next to each other for easy kills for Drogon? What military strategy is that? LMFAO. The entire point of it should be to differentiate the positions of it for more probability of hitting it's target while also keeping a sense of vulnerability at not knowing the various positions of it by Danny and Drogon. The military "strategists" in this show consist of a batch of potatoes.



I'll just stop here, because even if I wanted to continue, this would go on until next week. Just wow. D&D have pulled down GOT's pants and impaled it hard while forcing it to squeal as we all watch in horror.

[KingSWRV]

My god D&D are complete idiots. This season's writing has been abysmal. Where the hell to start?

Rhaegal gets killed by a scorpion from miles away from single shots coming from Euron yet Drogon manages to dodge the entire fleet's barrage of scorpions? Are you being serious right now?



Drogon on it's own burns down King's landing, decimates Cersei's forces, and gives Daenerys a decisive victory with minimal losses yet she couldn't do this **** once she had all three dragons? WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL is the reason for her even raising a army? They basically did fuk all anyways. She could have won the war ages ago if all it took is one dragon to do all that damage, not to mention when she had all three.



Tyrion the retarded midget is built up to be some genius in season 1-4 only to become completely undone by Dickface and Dickface in season 8. This man outs Varys after he told him about Jon. He does not see any consequences of his actions anymore. 99% of them are either miscalculated or dead wrong. For goodness sake he even bottled the plan to get Jamie to Cersei. And what exactly is he expecting would happen with Daenerys all along? He literally had to convince her not to massacre a entire city for how many times??? Yet he "believes" in her being a true leader? What true leader is dictated so easily by his or her emotions to go from being merciful to a war criminal? Under what dictionary is that the signs of a stable leader? Yet this guy sticks with his judgement (Which is as reliable as a infowars article on moon bases at this point) and totally outs Varys for stating the obvious?? And what sane person would want Tyrion as his or her hand at this point? Sucks in keeping secrets, prisoners, logic. Yet despite all her threats, Daenerys keeps him as her hand, as shown when he tells her soldiers to walk before freeing Jamie. LOL wut?



Drogon's flames are powerful enough to rip a FUKING HOLE in the middle of the gates of King's Landing like a Boeing crashed into it yet the same flames from Viserion are not enough to kill Jon Snow after he hides behind a stack of dead bodies??? WHAT? And not only that but we see his safely shielded by a wall of bricks, too. Dickface and Dickface have a beef with consistency.



The Mountain has the strength to rip skills apart with his bare hands yet struggles choking out the Hound? He shield's Cersei from a entire facade collapse yet get's tackled through bricks by the Hound like he was a 12 year old boy living off of mayonnaise sandwiches? It seems the mountain's strength diminishes based on plot armor.



Cersei watches her city burning from literally the most dangerous position possible, suspended above the entire city while a dragon wrecks havoc around her. Yet when told to evacuate states that the red keep is the safest place in the city? LMFAO based on what? There is a flying dragon circling around you, stupeeeedddd. And what in the fuk was Daenerys even waiting for? She could have finished Cersei off in seconds into the assault yet gambles on her escaping and instead preoccupies herself with burning citizens? What warring leader does not strive to eliminate the leader of his opposing army before any regular soldier? What in the fuk did Dickface & Dickface even read about war?








I'll just stop here, because even if I wanted to continue, this would go on until next week. Just wow. D&D have pulled down GOT's pants and impaled it hard while forcing it to squeal as we all watch in horror.

[nvrstopworking]

The show hasnt had book material for years yet here you are watching got and posting in a got specific thread.

It was amazing for seasons 1-5 and “ok” for season 6. S7 was “meh” and S8 is an abortion.

If I’m going to be invested for 6 seasons then I’m likely going to soldier through the last 2 (no matter how bad) just to get to the end. Did you expect people to just not watch the last 6 eps at all?

Maybe if the people critiquing the show annoy you so much you can just skip this thread?

[yeshli2nuts]

Dany ultimately going down this dark path is not entirely unbelievable considering the narrative as a whole, but it is unbelievable given what we have seen of her character-arc in the last couple of seasons, especially season 7.

I can't ultimately say the idea of her becoming a genocidal tyrant to be impossible but find it extremely unlikely.
I don't hate that it happened but I absolutely hate how it happened.

The mhysa-arc of Daenerys, her acting as the champion of the downtrodden has always been her main drive.
It began already back in S1 before Viserys was even dead. Despite all her flaws, bad decisions and occasional ruthless, callous nature, this compassionate part of her has always been there. This is the part of her that some of the time causes her to commit some of the ruthless, outright cruel things she has done:

- She crucified the masters of Mereen out of compassion and sorrow for having seen crucified slave children.
- She attacked Yunkai in the first place, because of there being slaves in the city that she wanted to save.
-She chained her dragons/children in the dungeon because a child got burned and she couldn't bare the idea that her children could have done it

Now, to see her dismantle this main drive of hers, in a single episode is a bit hard to swallow.
This is basically the equivalent of having Jon forsake his honor in a single episode. It is something that should be chipped away at over the course of several episodes, preferably a whole season. But I get it, we're running out of time because D&D are tired of the project and wanted to do less episodes. Suspension of disbelief it is then; Daenerys main drive is starting to fail when it get's her nowhere. I can accept this.

But to see her not only dismantle this main drive in a single episode, but also do a complete flip and go completely against it in the very same episode? Even Anakin Skywalkers decent into darkness was more nuanced and better paced than this! Now we've reached a point that no longer makes sense. It's too sudden, too contrived, way too rushed and utterly unbelievable. Sadly the writing does nothing to patch up these glaring problems with her sudden 180, because it is the weakest part of this season.

Ultimately, I have no objective issues with GRRM and D&D opting for the dark ending for Daenerys.
I don't like it, but I can potentially accept it: If there had been a proper buildup for the dismantling of her main drive (her mhysa-arc), and if her decent into darkness was better paced, more nuanced and didn't feel so rushed and contrived, I actually think that this could've made for some great final twist, something that would look Anakin Skywalkers transformation into Darth Vader look meek and toothless in comparison.

Sadly at the end of the day however, it isn't. Not even close.
Instead we are shown a scenario in season 8 where Daenerys is willing to sacrifice her secondary main drive (the Iron Throne) for the sake her primary main drive (Mhysa). She takes everything that's dear to her; her children, friends and armies, and goes to fight the army of the dead in order to save a realm she hasn't yet fully claimed, and a people she doesn't know and who don't even like her. She's a heroine, a savior, and further away from the darkness than ever.

...and then 2 episodes/a couple of weeks later, she is destroying King's Landing and incinerating up to a million of the very same innocent people that she had just fought to protect. It makes absolutely no sense from a narrative standpoint, and I fully sympathize with the large part of the fan base that hate it and find it utterly unbelievable.

D&D went for the 1% super-smash to victory, and didn't even hit the ball, let alone the mark.
They tried to do something that would require at least a full season of careful writing, in the spawn of less than two episodes, and the result was as expected. At the end of the day, we, like Daenerys, are left empty handed, with is a taste of ash and smoke in our mouths, as we watch something we once loved and cared about, burn down to cinders around us.

On one hand, they definitely didn't show the progression of Dany turning from good to evil, but if you look at the chain of events, it kind of makes sense that she would ultimately snap. She started out as the redeemer of Essos. People loved her, she had a fantastic support group around her (Jorah, Barristan, Missandei, Tyrion, Varys) as well as the Dothraki and Unsullied. Her main goal though was the iron throne. She finally made it across the sea with a full force. She fell in love with Jon and decided to fight his war. At this point, she was still at her peak, but from there, her life spiraled out of control. She lost a dragon to the Night King, then she learns that Jon has a better right to the throne than she does, then she lost almost her entire army in the battle, then Jorah died in her arms, then she lost another dragon to Euron, then Missandei was executed right in front of her, then she finds out Varys wants to kill her to make Jon the king, then Jon decides he doesn't want to be romantic with her, all while Tyrion her hand keeps fuking up. Like that's a shyt ton of bad things to happen in a really short amount of time. She basically had nothing left. She basically says fuk it, this isn't worth, and she goes berserk on King's Landing. When you look at the chain of events, it does make sense.

[nvrstopworking]

My god D&D are complete idiots. This season's writing has been abysmal. Where the hell to start?

Rhaegal gets killed by a scorpion from miles away from single shots coming from Euron yet Drogon manages to dodge the entire fleet's barrage of scorpions? Are you being serious right now?



Drogon on it's own burns down King's landing, decimates Cersei's forces, and gives Daenerys a decisive victory with minimal losses yet she couldn't do this **** once she had all three dragons? WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL is the reason for her even raising a army? They basically did fuk all anyways. She could have won the war ages ago if all it took is one dragon to do all that damage, not to mention when she had all three.



Tyrion the retarded midget is built up to be some genius in season 1-4 only to become completely undone by Dickface and Dickface in season 8. This man outs Varys after he told him about Jon. He does not see any consequences of his actions anymore. 99% of them are either miscalculated or dead wrong. For goodness sake he even bottled the plan to get Jamie to Cersei. And what exactly is he expecting would happen with Daenerys all along? He literally had to convince her not to massacre a entire city for how many times??? Yet he "believes" in her being a true leader? What true leader is dictated so easily by his or her emotions to go from being merciful to a war criminal? Under what dictionary is that the signs of a stable leader? Yet this guy sticks with his judgement (Which is as reliable as a infowars article on moon bases at this point) and totally outs Varys for stating the obvious?? And what sane person would want Tyrion as his or her hand at this point? Sucks in keeping secrets, prisoners, logic. Yet despite all her threats, Daenerys keeps him as her hand, as shown when he tells her soldiers to walk before freeing Jamie. LOL wut?



Drogon's flames are powerful enough to rip a FUKING HOLE in the middle of the gates of King's Landing like a Boeing crashed into it yet the same flames from Viserion are not enough to kill Jon Snow after he hides behind a stack of dead bodies??? WHAT? And not only that but we see his safely shielded by a wall of bricks, too. Dickface and Dickface have a beef with consistency.



The Mountain has the strength to rip skills apart with his bare hands yet struggles choking out the Hound? He shield's Cersei from a entire facade collapse yet get's tackled through bricks by the Hound like he was a 12 year old boy living off of mayonnaise sandwiches? It seems the mountain's strength diminishes based on plot armor.



Cersei watches her city burning from literally the most dangerous position possible, suspended above the entire city while a dragon wrecks havoc around her. Yet when told to evacuate states that the red keep is the safest place in the city? LMFAO based on what? There is a flying dragon circling around you, stupeeeedddd. And what in the fuk was Daenerys even waiting for? She could have finished Cersei off in seconds into the assault yet gambles on her escaping and instead preoccupies herself with burning citizens? What warring leader does not strive to eliminate the leader of his opposing army before any regular soldier? What in the fuk did Dickface & Dickface even read about war?








I'll just stop here, because even if I wanted to continue, this would go on until next week. Just wow. D&D have pulled down GOT's pants and impaled it hard while forcing it to squeal as we all watch in horror.

Ssshhhhhhh.... just turn off your brain and marvel at the dragon and all the stuff blowing up. That’s all D&D want from you at this point.

[solidus2k3]

rewatching old seasons got goat tywin scenes crew

[KILLdante]

It's all a ploy to get you to purchase and read the books... they already got their bags full from the show alone regardless of how it turns out..

Rumors are the final books are ready, they were just waiting for the series to end.

Yeah that's a ****ing lie lmao

[juvefan]

rewatching old seasons got goat tywin scenes crew

Bruh my younger brother is binging GoT for the first time the last two days and i walk past his door and hear epic music and “THE NIGHT IS DARK AND FULL OF TERROR” and im like fukkk

[Huberus]

It's all a ploy to get you to purchase and read the books... they already got their bags full from the show alone regardless of how it turns out..

Rumors are the final books are ready, they were just waiting for the series to end.

GRRM himself addressed this on his personal site by saying:

“No, THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING are not finished. DREAM is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume six. It seems absurd to me that I need to state this.

The world is round, the Earth revolves around the sun, water is wet… do I need to say that too? It boggles me that anyone would believe this story, even for an instant. It makes not a whit of sense. Why would I sit for years on completed novels? Why would my publishers — not just here in the US, but all around the world — ever consent to this? They make millions and millions of dollars every time a new Ice & Fire book comes out, as do I. Delaying makes no sense.”

and

“Why would HBO want the books delayed? The books help create interest in the show, just as the show creates interest in the books. So… no, the books are not done. HBO did not ask me to delay them. Nor did David & Dan. There is no ‘deal’ to hold back on the books. I assure you, HBO and David & Dan would both have been thrilled and delighted if THE WINDS OF WINTER had been delivered and published four or five years ago… and NO ONE would have been more delighted than me. I have no date. I’ve given up on giving dates because I give one and then I miss it and everybody gets mad. It’ll be done when it’s done. It’s been going very well lately so, knock wood.”

[nkiritsis13]

I was expecting her to go and rekt the red keep in a fit of rage towards Cersei. I don't think bbq'ing a million civilians is even remotely in character given all we were forced to sit through with her arc. The freeing of cities from tyrants, ending slavery, etc etc.

Good point, and it's another character arc corpse to throw onto the pile after dramatic 180 degree departure from everything building up to this season.

Daenerys slowly succumbing to her impulses favoring violence during an increasingly desperate bid for the Iron Throne is a tragic fall from grace that I can completely see happening to Daenerys, but "slowly" and "increasingly desperate" are the operative conditions that we have not been presented with in the show.

In respect to your point about what we've had to endure all these years, so much of Dany's story could and should have been colored with tones of grey as opposed to the triumphant bombasts celebrating her actions in a unilaterally positive light.
The only way to justify Dany's combustive turn is to, I suppose, think of everything that transpired throughout her arc as being strictly her perception, tinged by her self-involved outlook and bias towards each situation.

Having to force a new "head canon" to how events unfolded is a clear failure on the show, but as far as recent events are concerned, even that sort of re-imagining falters. By reducing the White Walkers to an embarrassing side quest in Dany's mission to rule and contorting the plot to conveniently downgrade and then upgrade her as needed, she not only has not had a natural build up to razing King's Landing, but she doesn't even have much of a struggle to take the city despite the retconned "end of the Dothraki," losing "half' of her Unsullied, having her fleet destroyed, what is it, twice now, and losing two dragons.

Her victory was apparently already assured by virtue of the plot being bent so haphazardly, so there was no logical reason in the plot for her to proceed with indiscriminately killing innocents - before attacking the Red Keep, no less. D&D might excuse Dany's actions as her not being sane or thinking rationally, but the narrative still has to hold up to basic sense.

From the context of what the series has shown us, the Mad Queen turn frankly seemed like it was too dramatic of a shift and a twist for the sake of having another twist, which is exactly how I would describe the execution. Dany putting aside the throne, her own personal live mission, in favor of fighting for all of the living aside Jon, no matter the risks or sacrifices to what she has built, was arguably her most sane development after years of her growing entitlement, messiah complex, and megalomania. She listened to reason as Jon displayed an earnest disregard for power in favor of a greater cause, and she seemed to finally realized that everything wasn't about her and her claim to the throne.

Maybe this would have led to Daenerys accepting compromised power through either a complete overhaul in how the seven kingdoms are governed as Tyrion alluded towards or later sharing the throne with Jon. Or perhaps she would finally see that she had actually accomplished something and Essos, and that the people of Westeros were never going to be her people, especially when she had won over the Dothraki and Unsullied.

Instead, D&D rushed her through a series of inconveniences and had her commit a genocidal outburst out of the blue because their short attention spans ran out years ago as far as Game of Thrones was concerned, so they turned the show into Cliff's Notes version of bullet points George R. R. Martin gave them.


D&D "kind of forgot" that they could have moved on, let HBO hire competent and passionate leadership to continue the series, and still have "Showrunners of Game of Thrones" on their resume. Hell, at least they would have held onto the glowing reception of the early seasons, but now because of their hubris, they will forever be the ones who ruined GOT. Hey! They were the Daenerys to their own story all along.

Again, you gotta be nuts to think people are throwing away years of time investment because 2 or 3 episodes sucked. Especially when the entire series has been some of the best television ever.

And when the final two seasons are only 13 episodes put together.

Game of Thrones became a cultural phenomenon, the likes of which has never been really been seen or allowed to flourish like it has thanks to the times we live in. The series paved the way for future fantasy (and sci-fi) movies and TV shows by proving how compelling storytelling, characterization, and world-building transcends all mediums.

Nobody is going to drop ship with so little to lose, and especially when the novels might never see completion. Besides, at least we might get some decent fan-edits out of this, and we certainly have gotten some timeless new memes watching the grease fire spread.